718 Sound and Constant Whinging !

[718lawnmowerfan]

Hopefully, by page 200 the penny will have dropped that those people who like the 718 sound like it, and those that don't, don't.

[Si-3PO]

718lawnmowerfan said:

Hopefully, by page 200 the penny will have dropped that those people who like the 718 sound like it, and those that don't, don't.

We’ve been having a lovely natter on page 114 and you’ve come in and spoilt it all

[130R]

The thread that won't die ..

The only slight regret I have with my 718 CS is that I went for PDK instead of a manual. PDK is, without doubt, the best auto I have ever used but it has just reinforced my opinion that it doesn't matter how good an auto is a manual is still more engaging/fun to drive. This is my daily driver as well, although I'm not typically stuck in lots of stop-start traffic.

Other than that I like the car a lot after about 4 months ownership. I especially like carmine red as a colour paired with alcantara interior and would go for that spec again in future.

[jonttt]

So when / are 718 being delivered with the new particulate filter (to meet new emission legislation) ? I’m interested to know the effect on the noise the car makes, in theory it should suppress exhaust noise but will be interesting to hear how that affects the actual sound the car makes ?

Ps again theoretically will make the car slower like for like so also interested if the engine is tweaked to retain power stats which are so important in justifying a 4 pot turbo engine lol

Edited by jonttt on Wednesday 24th October 10:42

[tedblog]

It does suppress the sound hence why pse is now standard.

[Ollie1977]

jonttt said:

So when / are 718 being delivered with the new particulate filter (to meet new emission legislation) ? I’m interested to know the effect on the noise the car makes, in theory it should suppress exhaust noise but will be interesting to hear how that affects the actual sound the car makes ?

Ps again theoretically will make the car slower like for like so also interested if the engine is tweaked to retain power stats which are so important in justifying a 4 pot turbo engine lol

Edited by jonttt on Wednesday 24th October 10:42

Although not Porsche, my friend had an ftype S pre regulations. It sounded awesome, but was riddled with problems and they rebuilt a new one and gave him £19k compensation. However the new car he’s received post regulations sounds completely different (identical spec supposedly), especially on the overrun. Faint, weak farts! Not sure what this means for the 718 which I’m an advocate of...

[Si-3PO]

Can’t see there’s much to spoil with the addition of a particulate filter on the 718, more worried about how it’ll affect the GT4 and Spyder.

[dreamcar]

Si-3PO said:

Can’t see there’s much to spoil with the addition of a particulate filter on the 718, more worried about how it’ll affect the GT4 and Spyder.

Now i’ve had loan 718’s a few times I don’t mind the noise once the car is running, albeit a lot more gruff than the n/a six. My biggest complaints are the awful clatter on start up and on all the “S” models i’ve driven the turbo lag, put your foot down and there is hesitation and then a big rush of power when the turbo spools up. Very much like a powerful turbo-diesel.

[bcr5784]

dreamcar said:

Now i’ve had loan 718’s a few times I don’t mind the noise once the car is running, albeit a lot more gruff than the n/a six. My biggest complaints are the awful clatter on start up and on all the “S” models i’ve driven the turbo lag, put your foot down and there is hesitation and then a big rush of power when the turbo spools up. Very much like a powerful turbo-diesel.

Have to agree, it was the turbo lag - or more particularly the agricultural transition off to on boost - that was the killer for me (on the base 718). I didn't like the noise - but if there is less of it with the particulate filter that would be step forward as far as I am concerned. The Alpine A110 has just as much lag as the 718 in terms of TIME (around 2 seconds at 2000rpm) - but the off boost performance is much better and the transition much more seamless. The result imo is much more acceptable.

[jonttt]

This is where hybrid tech is going to make a huge difference. I hate turbo lag (been there done that in much more powerful cars) which is why I prefer NA power delivery, much more predictable, much more fun on the twisties and wet etc......

That’s why I really think the 718 is just a stepping stone, forced on Porsche to meet emissions and hybrids will offer a much “nicer” drive. The “problem” with them is the opposite ie too much torque immediately its hard to stop the wheels from spinning lol It will be interesting to see if Porsche go hybrid or full electric with the 718 replacement. Personally I think all the talk of full electric is just saying what needs to be said but in practice hybrid will be the next big think.

What they do with the noise is pretty obvious, it will have to be artificial to some degree.

Bodes well for the 981 but not so well for the 718 in the future and its why my 981 is a keeper ;-)

[dreamcar]

jonttt said:

This is where hybrid tech is going to make a huge difference. I hate turbo lag (been there done that in much more powerful cars) which is why I prefer NA power delivery, much more predictable, much more fun on the twisties and wet etc......

That’s why I really think the 718 is just a stepping stone, forced on Porsche to meet emissions and hybrids will offer a much “nicer” drive. The “problem” with them is the opposite ie too much torque immediately its hard to stop the wheels from spinning lol It will be interesting to see if Porsche go hybrid or full electric with the 718 replacement. Personally I think all the talk of full electric is just saying what needs to be said but in practice hybrid will be the next big think.

What they do with the noise is pretty obvious, it will have to be artificial to some degree.

Bodes well for the 981 but not so well for the 718 in the future and its why my 981 is a keeper ;-)

I don’t think the next generation Cayster will be pure electric - a good clue is the next generation Golf GTI / R which will have a 48v mild hybrid system, and I suspect the technology will be shared with Audi & Porsche as well.

[bcr5784]

jonttt said:

I hate turbo lag (been there done that in much more powerful cars) which is why I prefer NA power delivery, much more predictable, much more fun on the twisties and wet etc......

Not sure I'd agree on that - keep the 718 above 3000 rpm (not that difficult with PDK) and lag is not an issue. If you can ignore the noise (more difficult!) the 718 is imo more fun down twisties because the steering is better and the chassis more agile.

[130R]

Lag is only a problem in the 718 in the same way that lack of torque is in the 981. If you keep the revs in the power band then it's a non-issue.

[jonttt]

Yep, you teach me how to keep the revs above 3,000 on the B roads I like to drive, I’m all ears lol

Braking is as much a part of driving and pressing the accelerator peddle, I don;t do straight lines when I’m driving for fun ;-)

We’ve been through this so many times in this thread lol, lag is lag, its physics. My point is that hybrid tech will effectively illuminate it and thus make a much better drivers car than the 718 is which no matter how you spin it (see what I did there) suffers from turbo lag and engine braking is completely ruined. Its not the 718 per se as a trait of a FI engine.

A hybrid Cayster will drive different that a 981 as the characteristics will be different, it will in my view likely be a much better drivers car than the 718 and thus effectively make the 718 as a perceived stop gap ie without the pluses of either the last great NA engine or by then current model, much like the 996 is perceived. That based on my real world experience of hybrid tech in daily drivers and what Porsche should be able to achieve with the cayster. I’m excited by the what the next gen could be whereas I have been nothing but saddened by the 718.

Edited by jonttt on Sunday 28th October 13:31

[bcr5784]

jonttt said:

Yep, you teach me how to keep the revs above 3,000 on the B roads I like to drive, I’m all ears lol

Braking is as much a part of driving and pressing the accelerator peddle, I don;t do straight lines when I’m driving for fun ;-)

Well you need to keep the 981 above 4000 for the engine to come alive - so it's a bigger problem with the 981 than it is with the 718.

[dreamcar]

I’ve tried to put a positive impression as I could on the 718, as I don’t want to be accused of slagging the car off. But I suggest the differences in the chassis would only be noticeable by a top flight driver on a circuit, and yes, steering is sharper but I suspect a good deal of that is down to the (welcomed) smaller steering wheel in combination with the 10% quicker rack.

But I guess the 718 is always going to be a “Marmite” car - there are those that love it and there are those that don’t. No right or wrong one way or the other.

Edited by dreamcar on Sunday 28th October 13:38

[jonttt]

bcr5784 said:

jonttt said:

Yep, you teach me how to keep the revs above 3,000 on the B roads I like to drive, I’m all ears lol

Braking is as much a part of driving and pressing the accelerator peddle, I don;t do straight lines when I’m driving for fun ;-)

Well you need to keep the 981 above 4000 for the engine to come alive - so it's a bigger problem with the 981 than it is with the 718.

I totally disagree, doing it in a 981 GTS is just sooooooo much fun, doing it in a 718 is......... not. Do it in the wet and its even less “fun” in a 718 (as with all FI engines). No matter how much people deny it I keep on stating the obvious, its physics. With a FI engine you lose an element of control / predictability that a great NA engine gives you 100% of the time no matter what the road conditions. The trickier the road conditions (whether that be technicality or weather) the more fun the 981 is and the gap to a 718 is just wider.

On the other end of the spectrum, play Grand Prix traffic lights and the 718 will win hands down........boring. There is always something faster in a straight line but get on the twisties, having fun and its a totally different ballgame. There is not much that is more fun than a 981 GTS at any budget whereas there are plenty faster than a 718 in the traffic light Grand Prix.

[130R]

jonttt said:

No matter how much people deny it I keep on stating the obvious

No you are stating your personal opinion

[bcr5784]

dreamcar said:

I’ve tried to put a positive impression as I could on the 718, as I don’t want to be accused of slagging the car off. But I suggest the differences in the chassis would only be noticeable by a top flight driver on a circuit, and yes, steering is sharper but I suspect a good deal of that is down to the (welcomed) smaller steering wheel in combination with the 10% quicker rack.

But I guess the 718 is always going to be a “Marmite” car - there are those that love it and there are those that don’t. No right or wrong one way or the other.

Edited by dreamcar on Sunday 28th October 13:38

I certainly don't claim to be a top flight driver - but the chassis difference was certainly noticeable to me (over a route I know very well). It wasn't enough to counter the issues I have with the engine, but certainly a positive.

[jonttt]

130R said:

jonttt said:

No matter how much people deny it I keep on stating the obvious

No you are stating your personal opinion

Wrong, its a FACT that a 718 FI engine has turbo lag. What part of that is an opinion ?