718 Sound and Constant Whinging !
Discussion
jonttt said:
Fit a better sounding engine in a sports car for a start ;-)
Lol, always the joker. But let’s get down to “the brass tacks” . You would buy F4T if the sound was “different” ? But what about the power delivery ? Imo you just can’t reconcile large capacity nasp with the eco restrictions and still sell across all the markets. So what do you do ?Lot of talk (/whinging) over these last few pages, but so far nobody has come up with a strategy to better Porsche’s. Prove me wrong !
Edited by bob2146 on Tuesday 13th March 22:21
HighwayStar said:
All this global seller stuff you keep hammering away at. I get it. I’ve always got it. It’s not something you only understand. China is a big market and they ALL want to get big sales there. What you don’t get is that I don’t have to like it.
I'm not saying you did [have to like it] or indeed that I am the messiah. I'm saying what you did or didn't like doesn't seem to matter much to Porsche.The point I'm trying to make is you can't look at these things in isolation.
Some good responses, at least you're thinking around the issue now rather than just whinging about it.
One theme I like the idea of, offering more engine options across the range or for the different markets (e.g. F4 in the base and F6T in the S, and maybe a top end nasp above that), a good thought, look at Audi's "you want fries with that" approach to offering every single possible option across every single possible model in their range. Volumes slightly different though. Maybe we will get a 4.0 nasp in the halo cars, but my money's still on the F6T. And Porsche certainly still offer an F6T, except it's double the price now & in the 911...
One theme I like the idea of, offering more engine options across the range or for the different markets (e.g. F4 in the base and F6T in the S, and maybe a top end nasp above that), a good thought, look at Audi's "you want fries with that" approach to offering every single possible option across every single possible model in their range. Volumes slightly different though. Maybe we will get a 4.0 nasp in the halo cars, but my money's still on the F6T. And Porsche certainly still offer an F6T, except it's double the price now & in the 911...
Edited by bob2146 on Wednesday 14th March 08:32
anonymous said:
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I'd argue it's hugely relevant. It is the one factor that is prioritised and sacrificed over and above and at the expense of everything else. Again, you can't look at it in isolation. Or you can, but then you end up missing the point of the bigger picture and just end up whinging about it.
Edited by bob2146 on Wednesday 14th March 10:49
anonymous said:
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But we know the merits of each engine, and that some prefer one over the other. I get that you (specifically you cmoose) could just live in a bubble forever and talk about F4T vs nasp merits until the end of time. But that was the first 20 pages and we are now getting into a deeper discussion. And isn't the point of the thread also slightly broader, i.e. to discuss the whinging about the sound ? Otherwise I would surely have just titled it "F4T vs nasp".My view you know, is that all the factors are hugely relevant but I also don't want to be the one to monopolise the thread. I appreciate I've had my say here and then some (at least for today) and I think it is important to keep getting some other points of view, that is if people are interested enough to continue the discussion. Over to you guys.
HighwayStar said:
2 questions. Is the 718 your first Porsche and have you driven a 981/a F6 nasp model?
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Having driven both I can say I definitely liked the F6, but at cruising speed it droned as well.
I do get your point, that it depends on your point of reference. If you haven't driven a 981, you won't miss it, or as a first time Porsche buyer you just don't know any better and so go ahead anyway and buy a 718. But I've looked at both, I've driven both. I really wanted to understand why so much was written about this issue. 981S vs Base 718 was a previous thread I started when I was trying to decide between them. I drove the 981 extensively and personally I don't miss it and actually think the 718 is the all round better car. Which is why I went ahead ordered one vs a 981.
That said I do love nasp, one of my favourite engines of all time was a 3.0 V6 I had in another marque, and it was a sad day when I traded that in let me tell you. So I can also understand the loss. I just think [some of] you need to get over it.
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DJMC said:
"I've got a tiny d*ck and people keep laughing at it”
DJMC said:
HE doesn't think his d*ck is small, but OTHERS keep laughing at it.
DJMC said:
"I'm asking a cafe to make me some toast and Marmite this morning, which I love, but some people don't like the taste."
DJMC/tinrobot said:
"I have a small dick and all my partners keep laughing at it"?
DJMC said:
Can you possibly understand this?
DJMC said:
Ouch!
Lol DJ, someone is clearly obsessed with d*ck and marmite, but no judgements man, to each their own & all that. Whether you prefer d*ck or marmite is all fine with me. If only people took a similar approach to the sound !
I hope you are feeling better now at least.
jonttt said:
It looks like the 718 Spyder is getting a Na engine, oh yes......
What a slap in the face that will be for the "normal" 718's ie its basically porsche saying rather than simply soup up the FI engine on the 718 (which would have been very easy to do) we are fitting a NA engine. The only reason to do that can be for a different (ie none FI) power delivery and the NOISE it will make (which should be epic).
Hardly a slap in the face, broadening the product range, is all. If you want "noise", you can pay the "premium", lol, as that thing will be £70k +, if you can get hold of one. Marketing geniuses!What a slap in the face that will be for the "normal" 718's ie its basically porsche saying rather than simply soup up the FI engine on the 718 (which would have been very easy to do) we are fitting a NA engine. The only reason to do that can be for a different (ie none FI) power delivery and the NOISE it will make (which should be epic).
Does look like an awesome car though.
Edited by bob2146 on Friday 16th March 18:23
WG said:
I promised myself I would stop looking at this thread but having just got back from the pub my self control waned! Farewell world. I've just slit my wrists!!
Don’t do it WG ! Lot of “alphas” in the room with fragile egos.. is all. Wouldn’t be the same without a “my car is better than your car” Friday night discussion, I suspect this thread will run for some pages yet..DJMC said:
I do only 12k miles per year but try to enjoy my 981 whenever possible during any humdrum journey. I guess the 718 would be the ideal Mondeo equivalent as a dull daily driver for the reasons you state, but I prefer not to be embarrassed when leaving a client's home, nor to have lag or overrun, and to add a little noise when I'm not doing 42mpg.
A Mondeo ! Edited by DJMC on Saturday 17th March 00:26
well if you are getting 42 mpg out of a sports car - you may as well buy a diesel, but at least you have finally stopped obsessing about d*ck.Snide comment overload this morning, the dinosaurs truly have escaped the asylum !
overunder12g said:
Please can we let this topic die a dignified death?
All this guff about how a car sounds only. Probably by most people who have spent little time in an actual car.
I have owned all variants of the Cayman, currently 718 covering at least 20k miles per year. So, 718 not as musical as previous but, for high mileage, a far superior all round car. Enter Mouse, etc etc but, as a daily high mileage car I would have to say no comparison with previous incarnations. Low torque etc, handling, economy and nice place to be 718 for me.
Right, last comment from an experienced owner as opposed to a quick round the block test jockey I will leave you to your debating.
Could go on but too busy enjoying my car.
Comes down to do you want to enjoy high mileage in your car or just hear a nice noise? Both are nice but, overall package is what natters to me.
Have a great weekend.
Absolutely the overall package is all that counts. But when you own an older and slower car with outdated tech that has been replaced, and you also have to over compensate for something .. (DJMC here’s looking at you..) obviously they feel the need to pollute the thread with their nonsense...All this guff about how a car sounds only. Probably by most people who have spent little time in an actual car.
I have owned all variants of the Cayman, currently 718 covering at least 20k miles per year. So, 718 not as musical as previous but, for high mileage, a far superior all round car. Enter Mouse, etc etc but, as a daily high mileage car I would have to say no comparison with previous incarnations. Low torque etc, handling, economy and nice place to be 718 for me.
Right, last comment from an experienced owner as opposed to a quick round the block test jockey I will leave you to your debating.
Could go on but too busy enjoying my car.
Comes down to do you want to enjoy high mileage in your car or just hear a nice noise? Both are nice but, overall package is what natters to me.
Have a great weekend.
Edited by bob2146 on Saturday 17th March 07:27
BE57JAM said:
The 718 is now being compared to a Mondeo. A diesel lugger, and / or would be a sauce of embarrassment to an owner in front of clients.
Reality is here - right next to Earth and it’s happy 718 purchasers.
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The place where toddlers and cats go when the stare off in to space is here
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This thread is here.
Lol, it would certainly appear so !Reality is here - right next to Earth and it’s happy 718 purchasers.
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Edited by BE57JAM on Saturday 17th March 06:53
Tag team incoming !
Clearly some (not all mind, I think there are people on here who are balanced and objective in both camps, and not all dinosaurs) are never going to change their opinions.
Imo they are a bit stuck in the past or may be insecure about something to the extent they feel they need a “noisy” car to compensate... I’m sure there’ll be a counter argument somewhere.
But anyway here is another one of JAM’s classics from the highlights reel, from a previous Friday some weeks back. Has the debate moved on at all ? I’ll let you be the judge of that...
[Sorry 981s as I know this is from the 718 camp, but it does ‘highlight’ (at least to me) the lack of balance, of (some of) these recent pages.. the next ‘highlight’ I promise will come from the other side of the debate...]
Clearly some (not all mind, I think there are people on here who are balanced and objective in both camps, and not all dinosaurs) are never going to change their opinions.
Imo they are a bit stuck in the past or may be insecure about something to the extent they feel they need a “noisy” car to compensate... I’m sure there’ll be a counter argument somewhere.
But anyway here is another one of JAM’s classics from the highlights reel, from a previous Friday some weeks back. Has the debate moved on at all ? I’ll let you be the judge of that...
[Sorry 981s as I know this is from the 718 camp, but it does ‘highlight’ (at least to me) the lack of balance, of (some of) these recent pages.. the next ‘highlight’ I promise will come from the other side of the debate...]
BE57JAM said:
I’m gonna pick another fight lol. Quiet Friday.
Am I the only one who thinks some of the comments are a little convenient.
The stats are better on the 718 = who cares about the stats.
Handling is better = pfft it’s marginal.
The 718 has better torque = who cares, I love tearing the arse out of my engine every time I need to accelerate.
The sales numbers for the 718 are s
t so the 718 is st. -> actually sales are completely in line with expectation -> oh well, err, sales aren’t a good indicator of how good something is.
Pahahaha. Jesus. Now that is what I call bias.
Am I the only one who thinks some of the comments are a little convenient.
The stats are better on the 718 = who cares about the stats.
Handling is better = pfft it’s marginal.
The 718 has better torque = who cares, I love tearing the arse out of my engine every time I need to accelerate.
The sales numbers for the 718 are s
t so the 718 is st. -> actually sales are completely in line with expectation -> oh well, err, sales aren’t a good indicator of how good something is. Pahahaha. Jesus. Now that is what I call bias.
Cheshirecat65 said:
In this months (March) GTPorsche mag, Simon Jackson tests the new 718 Boxster GTS and says: (P67)
"The noise remains a problem...the GTS cars have been tweaked in this regard, butI'm not certain it's for the better. It's just not a nice note; too boomy on the motorway, too gruff in the middle of the rev range (it sounds like an air cooled car). Andrew found it less offensive than I, but I truly miss the crescendo of the six cylinder engines. For me, Porsche still has work to do here."
Another goal conceded by team 718!
More nonsense. Not allowed to post the scan again Mr Cat ? No doubt we can all find 100 reviews each to cut and paste into this thread. Here’s another :"The noise remains a problem...the GTS cars have been tweaked in this regard, butI'm not certain it's for the better. It's just not a nice note; too boomy on the motorway, too gruff in the middle of the rev range (it sounds like an air cooled car). Andrew found it less offensive than I, but I truly miss the crescendo of the six cylinder engines. For me, Porsche still has work to do here."
Another goal conceded by team 718!
https://www.caranddriver.com/comparisons/audi-tt-r...
“But speaking of sounds, oh, the Porsche’s. Rest in peace, flat-six, and long live the turbo four! The more time we spend with 718s—and the further into memory that six’s wail fades—the more we like the four. This thing sounds like a goblin, all mechanical grumble and spitting overrun. There’s even a little aural treat when you turn the car off and the four grumpily clatters into silence as though not all its parts stop moving at the same time.”
Fading into memory... But resting in “peace” is probably too much to hope for !
Edited by bob2146 on Saturday 17th March 20:38
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