Cayman GTS P Zeros
Discussion
Ady128 said:
How long will my P Zeros last on my new 718 GTS? I've previously had Goodyear NCTs on a 991 Cab which lasted 24k (rears) and 36k (fronts). Lots of motorway miles though.
the fronts will last for ever, just bin them now and put PS4S on other wise a GTS will feel ruined ;-)You will no doubt have N1 PZeros. They are fine. There are some on here who are congenitally opposed to Pirelli - and probably haven't tried the N1 (as opposed to the N0 PZeros which are completely different - I have back to backed N0, N1 and Goodyear F1s). It may well be that the Michelins are a bit better - but I'd make your own mind up by trying them in a variety of conditions first..
bcr5784 said:
You will no doubt have N1 PZeros. They are fine. There are some on here who are congenitally opposed to Pirelli - and probably haven't tried the N1 (as opposed to the N0 PZeros which are completely different - I have back to backed N0, N1 and Goodyear F1s). It may well be that the Michelins are a bit better - but I'd make your own mind up by trying them in a variety of conditions first..
quite a few people have tried them, yes better but still s
t, I binned a set with 2.7k miles on, I hate the brand.we also have a few people with 718 who have already tracked swapped over and reports back are like night and day.
PS4S is the king of road tyres, forget track, they are the safest tyres also I ran 2 cars though winter with PS4S, while I still own a car with P-zero's it was dangerous over winter.
As for the 991.2 GTS with them the tyres cannot cope at all on the 991.2 GTS ! like most higher power cars the P-zero ruins the car, Ferrari only put them on the girls models, the proper Ferrari's has Michelins.
I think most people talk from experience if making comments as so many new cars have the N1 P zero now.
I fitted PS4s's to my 981CS only on Friday, so too soon to comment other than the Ackerman effect low speed scrabble is not completely gone, but much reduced (thankfully). My Pzeros' (N0) had done about 13k and had 4.1/4.2mm left. I found the Pirelli's noisy, and a couple of times did step out a bit unexpectedly (dry). Looking forward to running the new ones in and our next trip to europe in July.
Koln-RS said:
Goodyear Eagle F1s have been highly rated in various tests.
I've had them on a number of vehicles and they are particularly good for low noise and compliant ride. Wear rates are probably average.
My 981's 20" F1s have done 22k miles. 5mm remaining on the fronts (about half worn), 3mm remaining on the rears.I've had them on a number of vehicles and they are particularly good for low noise and compliant ride. Wear rates are probably average.
Never had any scary moments with them. Will probably try PS4S next time, but not unless there are some more positive 981/718 user reviews to go on. So far the tyre doesn't seem to have been widely fitted as it was never a factory fitment despite Michelin claiming it was built for the 718 launch.
NB. I'm told by people here who don't know me that I drive like an old woman.
Koln-RS said:
Goodyear Eagle F1s have been highly rated in various tests.
I've had them on a number of vehicles and they are particularly good for low noise and compliant ride. Wear rates are probably average.
They have also been very average in a recent test - see http://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf-gti/18309/bes... The problem is that there are no independent tests of Porsche spec tyres. Certainly I'd agree that (on my tests) the F1s were comfortable and quiet - but they were also somewhat vague and understeery which was really not to my taste.I've had them on a number of vehicles and they are particularly good for low noise and compliant ride. Wear rates are probably average.
Unfortunately the people who say Pirelli are universally crap are at odds with any number of independent tests which say they are not. I would give some credibility to someone who said that Michelin or Goodyear are better in this or that area, but someone who simply denigrates the brand undermines their credibility. Anyone who sees the world in black and white probably needs their eyes tested.
bcr5784 said:
They have also been very average in a recent test - see http://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf-gti/18309/bes... The problem is that there are no independent tests of Porsche spec tyres. Certainly I'd agree that (on my tests) the F1s were comfortable and quiet - but they were also somewhat vague and understeery which was really not to my taste.
Unfortunately the people who say Pirelli are universally crap are at odds with any number of independent tests which say they are not. I would give some credibility to someone who said that Michelin or Goodyear are better in this or that area, but someone who simply denigrates the brand undermines their credibility. Anyone who sees the world in black and white probably needs their eyes tested.
I now see all Pirellis as crap and sUnfortunately the people who say Pirelli are universally crap are at odds with any number of independent tests which say they are not. I would give some credibility to someone who said that Michelin or Goodyear are better in this or that area, but someone who simply denigrates the brand undermines their credibility. Anyone who sees the world in black and white probably needs their eyes tested.
te.In 40 years of driving on various premiums brands I've never previously had cause to complain and then have a manufacturer's engineer come out and condemn their own tyres as faulty and sub-standard. I have no confidence in Pirellis due to this experience. If they can make one bad tyre they can make another and the multiple issues others have had with PZero N0s has tainted all their products for me.
Excellent customer service though. I'll give them 100% for their speed and honesty resolving my complaint.
Porsche fit Pirelli tyres as standard on the vast majority of their cars. But what the hell would they know?
What with their unlimited development hours and access to tracks and proving facilities; their measurement and diagnostic equipment; their cadre of world class test drivers, millions of Euros of development budget and seven decades of manufacturing expertise they would obviously have no clue what tyres work best on their cars. Similarly all those journalists, professional drivers, who consistently praise the Porsche vehicles, they must be clueless right? Because if they were not they would write the cars off as crap given that they are supplied with Pirelli tyres.
I get it now. I should be listening to self-appointed internet forum driving gods instead because they will obviously know best. Pirelli tyres are crap after all, oh and so is PDK while I am at it. Can I join the groovy gang now I have seen the light?
What with their unlimited development hours and access to tracks and proving facilities; their measurement and diagnostic equipment; their cadre of world class test drivers, millions of Euros of development budget and seven decades of manufacturing expertise they would obviously have no clue what tyres work best on their cars. Similarly all those journalists, professional drivers, who consistently praise the Porsche vehicles, they must be clueless right? Because if they were not they would write the cars off as crap given that they are supplied with Pirelli tyres.
I get it now. I should be listening to self-appointed internet forum driving gods instead because they will obviously know best. Pirelli tyres are crap after all, oh and so is PDK while I am at it. Can I join the groovy gang now I have seen the light?
Swapped from P Zeros to Michelin PS4S . Great change in handling and grip.BUT p zeros lasts 10000 miles at least and handled 4 track days incl spa . PS4S lasted on fronts 1000 miles with only 300 track miles and delaminated on the fronts! No screaming tyres or back end movement but fronts surprised me. Replacing them and then a good chat with Michelin . Spend a lot a year with them and will see how they deal with this. Anyone have a contact with someone with understanding in Michelin? The tyre has a racing flag on the sidewall. 😩
DJMC said:
I now see all Pirellis as crap and ste.
In 40 years of driving on various premiums brands I've never previously had cause to complain and then have a manufacturer's engineer come out and condemn their own tyres as faulty and sub-standard. I have no confidence in Pirellis due to this experience. If they can make one bad tyre they can make another and the multiple issues others have had with PZero N0s has tainted all their products for me.
Excellent customer service though. I'll give them 100% for their speed and honesty resolving my complaint.
Follow that argument to it's logical conclusion and you wouldn't buy any brand. VW (right them off because of Dieselgate) Porsche (GT3 fires) Michelin - see Barleyboy etc . I'm sure if you look at any car/tyre/kettle/washing machine and you will find examples of faulty products just as serious as your Pirelli tyres. As you know I (and others on here) had the same problem with PZeros as you, but as you point out their handling of the issue was exemplary and, as I know, the replacement product is completely different.te.In 40 years of driving on various premiums brands I've never previously had cause to complain and then have a manufacturer's engineer come out and condemn their own tyres as faulty and sub-standard. I have no confidence in Pirellis due to this experience. If they can make one bad tyre they can make another and the multiple issues others have had with PZero N0s has tainted all their products for me.
Excellent customer service though. I'll give them 100% for their speed and honesty resolving my complaint.
Edited by bcr5784 on Wednesday 11th April 08:27
Hang On said:
Porsche fit Pirelli tyres as standard on the vast majority of their cars. But what the hell would they know?
they know how to put less stress on their cars with tyres with little grip so no warranty returns and also get a better deal on them.Pirelli are aggressive at putting their tyres into the market.
Porsche make money it's a business. they cost cut in many area's £200 a car on tyres x 300,000 cars is an extra 60 million pounds ,
what they do know is every time they go a get a ring time they put Michelin's on :-)
Porsche911R said:
what they do know is every time they go a get a ring time they put Michelin's on :-)
Completely irrelevant. To get the best ring time you put on the stickiest tyres on that are road legal - even if they are lousy in the wet, noisy and harsh. For the road you need a better balance of characteristics.bcr5784 said:
Completely irrelevant. To get the best ring time you put on the stickiest tyres on that are road legal - even if they are lousy in the wet, noisy and harsh. For the road you need a better balance of characteristics.
Looks like Alpine have got this right then 
https://www.tyrepress.com/2017/03/michelin-supplie...
Do you work for Pirelli, BCR ?
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