991.1 GTS....

[Mark_H]

Owners have enjoyed negligible depreciation.

But now the 991.2 GTS prices are getting a lot closer, do we think it is time for a drop in 991.1 GTS values - surely they can't end up being worth more than the gen 2?

And is the GTS that special? It's not like the other GT# models.... it really is a just an "s" with a few nice options etc.

I ask the question as I am considering one, as I do like them!

[Twinfan]

Last of the naturally aspirated engines are likely to remain strong in value. The 991.2 may drop further once the 992 arrives?

I'm not sure the 991.2 holds any special place in the market to justify any significant value retention, unlike the 991.1.

[Mark_H]

Being the last NA 991 GTS is why I am interested in one, and hope there isn't a correction!

Agree with you on the gen 2 - great car, but there will be another one along soon...

Surprised there are not more replies.... maybe too many threads about Porsche residuals?!

[m88ony]

Not sure but the 997 GTS is reallly close to 991.1 GTS prices so anything is possible!!

The drop in the 991.2 GTS is surprising especially when build slots were limited.

[Twinfan]

I'm wondering if people would rather be in a Turbo than a 991.2 GTS if turbo'd engines are their thing?

[Phooey]

The 991 GTS is IMO more night and day to the regular C2S than the 997 was. The 991.2 is a very very quick, easy, usable car that feels good just plodding about or tap full on. The 991.1 isn't slow but needs driving hard to feel like it's moving. Cheapest 991.1 GTS I've seen was about 82k from an OPC and cheapest 991.2 about 97k so a good 20% between them? For me I think the essential bits are extended leather / Alcantara, PDK, -20 suspension, BOSE etc. IME the 991.2 is much better than the 991.1 so don't buy into the "last of the n/a" blurb - it's a forum saying and has very little relevance on real world values

[Twinfan]

Phooey said:

don't buy into the "last of the n/a" blurb - it's a forum saying and has very little relevance on real world values

I disagree. 981 and 991 models, GTSs in particular, have not dropped in value as much as you would normally expect them to do. Dealers don't appear to be able to get enough of them.

[Phooey]

Twinfan said:

Phooey said:

don't buy into the "last of the n/a" blurb - it's a forum saying and has very little relevance on real world values

I disagree. 981 and 991 models, GTSs in particular, have not dropped in value as much as you would normally expect them to do. Dealers don't appear to be able to get enough of them.

981 prices strong but more to do with 982 being 4-pot than having a turbo. GTSs very spec-sensative but I've seen a lot of 991.1 cars sticking around / reduced.

Edited by Phooey on Friday 20th April 10:29

[boringbeige]

I 've said this before on here. I bought a 991.1 GTS when they were launched. It as utter crap. So i sold it and bought another 991.1 GTS in a different spec. This is one of the very best fast road cars that I've ever owned. I still have it now, 30k miles later. I also pre-ordered and took delivery of a 991.2 GTS , built to the same spec as my favourite 991.1 GTS. As I was driving it off the dealer forecourt I realise it wasn't as special as my 991.1. I gave it the benefit of the doubt but after 1 k miles I sold it back to the dealer. I still have my 991.1 GTS and have no intention of selling it.

[v8ksn]

boringbeige said:

I 've said this before on here. I bought a 991.1 GTS when they were launched. It as utter crap. So i sold it and bought another 991.1 GTS in a different spec. This is one of the very best fast road cars that I've ever owned. I still have it now, 30k miles later. I also pre-ordered and took delivery of a 991.2 GTS , built to the same spec as my favourite 991.1 GTS. As I was driving it off the dealer forecourt I realise it wasn't as special as my 991.1. I gave it the benefit of the doubt but after 1 k miles I sold it back to the dealer. I still have my 991.1 GTS and have no intention of selling it.

Did the spec make that much of a difference? Was rear wheel steering part of the spec?

[boringbeige]

v8ksn said:

boringbeige said:

I 've said this before on here. I bought a 991.1 GTS when they were launched. It as utter crap. So i sold it and bought another 991.1 GTS in a different spec. This is one of the very best fast road cars that I've ever owned. I still have it now, 30k miles later. I also pre-ordered and took delivery of a 991.2 GTS , built to the same spec as my favourite 991.1 GTS. As I was driving it off the dealer forecourt I realise it wasn't as special as my 991.1. I gave it the benefit of the doubt but after 1 k miles I sold it back to the dealer. I still have my 991.1 GTS and have no intention of selling it.

Did the spec make that much of a difference? Was rear wheel steering part of the spec?

Yes mate, massive difference!! There are some things Porsche head office don't tell you. There are many things that you're local Porsche dealership and it's salesmen don't know about the cars they sell. On my first 991.1 GTS i specced a black glass panoramic sunroof. Big Mistake. I realised straight away that the car was crap but didn't know why. Took me several months to find out that if you spec any sort of sunroof then you won't get the GTS suspension. What you get is higher and softer. Also, the whole of the glass roof is obviously not welded to the car sides cos it's glass; instead it's bonded in with a fancy silicone, which allows some body flex without cracking the glass roof. So a GTS with a sunroof is actually not a GTS. So i sold it and bought a GTS with a plain steel roof. The difference is night and day.

[DMC2]

boringbeige said:

Yes mate, massive difference!! There are some things Porsche head office don't tell you. There are many things that you're local Porsche dealership and it's salesmen don't know about the cars they sell. On my first 991.1 GTS i specced a black glass panoramic sunroof. Big Mistake. I realised straight away that the car was crap but didn't know why. Took me several months to find out that if you spec any sort of sunroof then you won't get the GTS suspension. What you get is higher and softer. Also, the whole of the glass roof is obviously not welded to the car sides cos it's glass; instead it's bonded in with a fancy silicone, which allows some body flex without cracking the glass roof. So a GTS with a sunroof is actually not a GTS. So i sold it and bought a GTS with a plain steel roof. The difference is night and day.

That is nonsense. Sunroof or no sunroof the suspension and geometry is exactly the same.

[Phooey]

Eh? Are you realllllly sure you don’t get the GTS suspension with sunroof?

[mikeh501]

Picked up my 991.1GTS. Happy as larry Its definately fast, and definately loud!

[Shiverman]

Phooey said:

The 991 GTS is IMO more night and day to the regular C2S than the 997 was. The 991.2 is a very very quick, easy, usable car that feels good just plodding about or tap full on. The 991.1 isn't slow but needs driving hard to feel like it's moving. Cheapest 991.1 GTS I've seen was about 82k from an OPC and cheapest 991.2 about 97k so a good 20% between them? For me I think the essential bits are extended leather / Alcantara, PDK, -20 suspension, BOSE etc. IME the 991.2 is much better than the 991.1 so don't buy into the "last of the n/a" blurb - it's a forum saying and has very little relevance on real world values

Plus 1. What that man said!

[dvshannow]

Twinfan said:

I'm wondering if people would rather be in a Turbo than a 991.2 GTS if turbo'd engines are their thing?

Not me i was not expecting to like .2 gts as much as generally dont like turbo but the way they have managed this is extremely impressive.

Its not just a 2wd drivetrain but it also performs more like a NA than the turbo in response and sound but with more torque and way faster.

If you really want turbo S performance i hear youbcan remap to 540bhp and first reports of that are the response gets even better not more laggy.

Prob is the car is so damn well balanced as it as i am not sure more power would overall be a plus and ofc the warranty issues

Mine is a 2wd coupe with pdk and buckets. i guess spec is a big factor.

[Gorsh]

DMC2 said:

That is nonsense. Sunroof or no sunroof the suspension and geometry is exactly the same.

This.
The only .2 GTS models not fitted with the Sports PASM (-20) is the Targa and Cabrio. Not 100% sure about the .1 but think that was the same.
There is an option to choose standard PASM as a no cost extra so some cars will have this - mine does as local roads are poor.

[dazzpowder]

Shiverman said:

Phooey said:

The 991 GTS is IMO more night and day to the regular C2S than the 997 was. The 991.2 is a very very quick, easy, usable car that feels good just plodding about or tap full on. The 991.1 isn't slow but needs driving hard to feel like it's moving. Cheapest 991.1 GTS I've seen was about 82k from an OPC and cheapest 991.2 about 97k so a good 20% between them? For me I think the essential bits are extended leather / Alcantara, PDK, -20 suspension, BOSE etc. IME the 991.2 is much better than the 991.1 so don't buy into the "last of the n/a" blurb - it's a forum saying and has very little relevance on real world values

Plus 1. What that man said!

I think the point about the NA blurb is, now Porsche have gone down the turbo route the “992” will undoubtedly be better than the 991.2 almost the same as the 997.1 and 997.2 the preference will be the better car, but the 991.1 has something different to offer which is the last of the NA engines. Why was the last of the air cooled 993 so revered? there no better than a 997 but the prices don’t reflect that. If speed and comfort is your thing and a better car in general the 991 outstrips turbos of yesteryear yet you couldn’t buy a 964 3.6 turbo for 991 money. Only time will tell...

Edited by dazzpowder on Saturday 21st April 08:01

Edited by dazzpowder on Saturday 21st April 18:10

[dvshannow]

dazzpowder said:

Shiverman said:

Phooey said:

The 991 GTS is IMO more night and day to the regular C2S than the 997 was. The 991.2 is a very very quick, easy, usable car that feels good just plodding about or tap full on. The 991.1 isn't slow but needs driving hard to feel like it's moving. Cheapest 991.1 GTS I've seen was about 82k from an OPC and cheapest 991.2 about 97k so a good 20% between them? For me I think the essential bits are extended leather / Alcantara, PDK, -20 suspension, BOSE etc. IME the 991.2 is much better than the 991.1 so don't buy into the "last of the n/a" blurb - it's a forum saying and has very little relevance on real world values

Plus 1. What that man said!

I think the point about the NA blurb is, now Porsche have gone down the turbo route the “992” will undoubtedly be better than the 991.2 almost the same as the 997.1 and 997.2 the preference will be the better car, but the 991.1 has something different to offer which is the last of the NA engines. Why was the last of the air cooled 993 so revered? there no better than a 997 but the prices don’t reflect that. If speed and comfort is your thing and a better car in general the 991 outstrips turbos of yesteryear yet you couldn’t buy a 964 3.6 turbo for 991 money. Only time will tell...

Edited by dazzpowder on Saturday 21st April 08:01

Edited by dazzpowder on Saturday 21st April 18:10

993s are also 2 full models older and were made in far fewer numbers and had not just the watercooling follow but also the ugly dickling styling and the 911 which has so far been the most numerous

I thought similar to you until i drove the .2, NA will hold some premoum no doubt but lessened as the pace and delivery of the turbo is so well done unlike say the m4.

[Phooey]

People are more obsessed with build numbers than what's under the skin, unless of course it really has something to offer that the newer cars don't..