Fair price for a 981 Cayman GTS?

[DJMC]

jonttt said:

What a load of twaddle.

You are either a good driver or you are not a good driver. A good driver will suss out how to get the best out of any car within an hour of driving it (so I’ve been told).

..... “you have to become one with it”, you’ve been reading too many fantasy novels, a car is a tool that you use, simple as that.

Edited by jonttt on Saturday 16th June 02:00

...just because you drive more than one?
It's like shooting. One rifle = perfect. Two different ones dilutes your ability. In my experience, and many other's.

[jonttt]

Really, I enjoy switching from over/under to side to side for the challenge ;-)

[DJMC]

jonttt said:

Really, I enjoy switching from over/under to side to side for the challenge ;-)

I think you'll find that's with shotguns. I'm talking target shooting at Club, County, and World Championship level. Just the one barrel.

Thinking about it, I'm best at all my hobbies the longer I use one saxophone, one camera, one aircraft (I did crash one of the latter whilst landing, but that was early on whilst training).

;-)

[bcr5784]

DJMC said:

I think to be able to drive any car really well you have to have driven it exclusively for a number of years. You have to become "one" with it to know all its little foibles. I had an E46 330ci for nine years and it almost became an extension of my body.

Swapping and changing cars so often, it would be absolutely impossible to be a good driver of any of them.

That might be true of you OR ME, but it's not a universal truth. Put a top class race instructor in an unfamiliar car and within 5 laps or so he will set a time that the vast majority of his race driver pupils won't match all day. Sure given more time he would get faster still.

[JayK12]

Interesting read, don't come on here often be when I do Mr D is always causing a ruckus lol.

GTS and GT4 are road cars in my opinion, however the GT4 just has a higher level of performance. A car designed for Road and Track is compromised on both, maybe to hard for road and to soft or deffinatley slow for track.

Once you've been driving race cars you realise most road cars on track are compromised and slow.

I don't track my 981 BGTS, it's for road and for fun rather than being the quickest point to point, hence it's a Boxster for that added oral pleasure.

I went for manual as I wanted fun and interaction with the car, have sports chassis because I prefer it being abit shifter, cornering that bit flatter.

Is the gearing long? Yes, do you get used to it, yes. I use the mid range quite abit on the road and Iove shifting as the box is really nice.

Steering, have no problem with the feel, could it be better, of course. Rather than more feel is just prefer a shorter ratio rack.

Otherwise I love the GTS for road hooning, it still is a 3rd car, and for track my next race car/track car will be a Radical. Best of both worlds for now.

[Twinfan]

GT4 a road car? Not exactly. The way I see it:

GT4 - 80% track, 20% road. Drive to the track and back.
GTS - 80% road, 20% track. Daily driver suitable for occasional track days.

[JayK12]

Twinfan said:

GT4 a road car? Not exactly. The way I see it:

GT4 - 80% track, 20% road. Drive to the track and back.
GTS - 80% road, 20% track. Daily driver suitable for occasional track days.

Imo, they are both road cars primarily, one is more suited to track than the other. I'd not buy either for track use, id not buy a GT4 for road because it's not a soft top, id not buy a Spyder because there's not enough difference between a BGTS. Everyone sees it in a different way.

[jonttt]

DJMC said:

I think you'll find that's with shotguns. I'm talking target shooting at Club, County, and World Championship level. Just the one barrel.

Thinking about it, I'm best at all my hobbies the longer I use one saxophone, one camera, one aircraft (I did crash one of the latter whilst landing, but that was early on whilst training).

;-)

I think you will find I knew I was typing talking shotguns and you where talking rifles..... However my experience is with shotguns and I was simply using a similar gun related analogy in the hope you would see the point, I assume you did as it was rather hard to miss and thus simply chose to deflect from the fact that your original statement is more likely a reflection of your generic driving experience / confidence than a statement of generic fact ie the more competent / experienced the driver the less time in any given car / environment (general road use being the easiest) for that driver to learn its characteristics. I would suggest the length of time it took you to get comfortable in a pretty basic car was excessive in the extreme therefore suggesting your experience is not actually relevent to this thread.

[Si-3PO]

JayK12 said:

... I don't track my 981 BGTS, it's for road and for fun rather than being the quickest point to point, hence it's a Boxster for that added oral pleasure.

Hadn’t considered additional oral pleasure in a Boxster .... I guess it’s the risk factor with the roof down?

[DJMC]

jonttt said:

I think you will find I knew I was typing talking shotguns and you where talking rifles..... However my experience is with shotguns and I was simply using a similar gun related analogy in the hope you would see the point, I assume you did as it was rather hard to miss and thus simply chose to deflect from the fact that your original statement is more likely a reflection of your generic driving experience / confidence than a statement of generic fact ie the more competent / experienced the driver the less time in any given car / environment (general road use being the easiest) for that driver to learn its characteristics. I would suggest the length of time it took you to get comfortable in a pretty basic car was excessive in the extreme therefore suggesting your experience is not actually relevent to this thread.

You make me chuckle.
You don't know anything about my "generic driving experience" (nor my racing history).

Edited by DJMC on Wednesday 20th June 23:13

[DJMC]

Si-3PO said:

Hadn’t considered additional oral pleasure in a Boxster .... I guess it’s the risk factor with the roof down?

I was going to say you can get round exhausts on a Cayman too, but you beat me to a punch line! Yours is better.

[Maxym]

Can't beat a bit of oral lol.

[pete.g]

jonttt said:

DJMC said:

I think you'll find that's with shotguns. I'm talking target shooting at Club, County, and World Championship level. Just the one barrel.

Thinking about it, I'm best at all my hobbies the longer I use one saxophone, one camera, one aircraft (I did crash one of the latter whilst landing, but that was early on whilst training).

;-)

I think you will find I knew I was typing talking shotguns and you where talking rifles..... However my experience is with shotguns and I was simply using a similar gun related analogy in the hope you would see the point, I assume you did as it was rather hard to miss and thus simply chose to deflect from the fact that your original statement is more likely a reflection of your generic driving experience / confidence than a statement of generic fact ie the more competent / experienced the driver the less time in any given car / environment (general road use being the easiest) for that driver to learn its characteristics. I would suggest the length of time it took you to get comfortable in a pretty basic car was excessive in the extreme therefore suggesting your experience is not actually relevent to this thread.

It's supposedly a thread about Cayman GTS price points - shotguns, saxophones and sniping (sorry) at each other is definitely not relevant.


GTS Caymans do hold value better than other cars, but they still depreciate. I had bids on mine in June and the same traders were offering £4k less come November. The dealer who did buy it dropped the retail price by £3k before it shifted. It was a good spec car.

[pete.g]

jonttt said:

DJMC said:

I think you'll find that's with shotguns. I'm talking target shooting at Club, County, and World Championship level. Just the one barrel.

Thinking about it, I'm best at all my hobbies the longer I use one saxophone, one camera, one aircraft (I did crash one of the latter whilst landing, but that was early on whilst training).

;-)

I think you will find I knew I was typing talking shotguns and you where talking rifles..... However my experience is with shotguns and I was simply using a similar gun related analogy in the hope you would see the point, I assume you did as it was rather hard to miss and thus simply chose to deflect from the fact that your original statement is more likely a reflection of your generic driving experience / confidence than a statement of generic fact ie the more competent / experienced the driver the less time in any given car / environment (general road use being the easiest) for that driver to learn its characteristics. I would suggest the length of time it took you to get comfortable in a pretty basic car was excessive in the extreme therefore suggesting your experience is not actually relevent to this thread.

It's supposedly a thread about Cayman GTS price points - shotguns, saxophones and sniping (sorry) at each other is definitely not relevant.


GTS Caymans do hold value better than other cars, but they still depreciate. I had bids on mine in June and the same traders were offering £4k less come November. The dealer who did buy it dropped the retail price by £3k before it shifted. It was a good spec car.

[DJMC]

Porsche911R said:

what do you mean PDK and my GT3 ?? I have 340lbs/ft torque and shorter gearing than your car, you have a 85mph 2nd gear car with much lower torque.

any way you are the 981 lover on PH which is fine I am the R lover :-)

You based your choice on looks, I based mine on driving fun and interaction.

I posted as people want to go back to manual in some cars and want to hunt out a manual 981, but imo it's not all that. choosing manual does not transform it into a drivers car ! the 981 really is more suited to PDK imo.

Any manual future buyers need to test drive the cars not go on forum hype.

There is a reason 5 or 6 of the 964 track and fun driving guys have moved to the R and not bought 981's, it what it is, but don't start saying black is white, it don't wash with me :-)

^^^
He started it!

[bcr5784]

DJMC said:

Porsche911R said:

what do you mean PDK and my GT3 ?? I have 340lbs/ft torque and shorter gearing than your car, you have a 85mph 2nd gear car with much lower torque.

any way you are the 981 lover on PH which is fine I am the R lover :-)

You based your choice on looks, I based mine on driving fun and interaction.

I posted as people want to go back to manual in some cars and want to hunt out a manual 981, but imo it's not all that. choosing manual does not transform it into a drivers car ! the 981 really is more suited to PDK imo.

Any manual future buyers need to test drive the cars not go on forum hype.

There is a reason 5 or 6 of the 964 track and fun driving guys have moved to the R and not bought 981's, it what it is, but don't start saying black is white, it don't wash with me :-)

^^^
He started it!

Oh come on. We are not talking black and white here - only slightly different shades of grey. GT4s, Rs and 981 are primarily road cars - some a bit more track orientated than others . Even a (so-called) GT3 is nothing like a real FIA GT3 car.

[jonttt]

DJMC said:

jonttt said:

I think you will find I knew I was typing talking shotguns and you where talking rifles..... However my experience is with shotguns and I was simply using a similar gun related analogy in the hope you would see the point, I assume you did as it was rather hard to miss and thus simply chose to deflect from the fact that your original statement is more likely a reflection of your generic driving experience / confidence than a statement of generic fact ie the more competent / experienced the driver the less time in any given car / environment (general road use being the easiest) for that driver to learn its characteristics. I would suggest the length of time it took you to get comfortable in a pretty basic car was excessive in the extreme therefore suggesting your experience is not actually relevent to this thread.

You make me chuckle.
You don't know anything about my "generic driving experience" (nor my racing history).

This statement told me all I need to know....

“I think to be able to drive any car really well you have to have driven it exclusively for a number of years. You have to become "one" with it to know all its little foibles. I had an E46 330ci for nine years and it almost became an extension of my body.

Swapping and changing cars so often, it would be absolutely impossible to be a good driver of any of them.”

As well as being factually wrong your example, IMHO, only proves what I stated...... but the next time I’m in the passenger seat with a professional driver I’ll ask him how many years it took him to get to know the car lol

[SidewaysSi]

The GTS is only OK to drive compared to other cars/Porsches. Get the extra together and buy a GT4. Seems daft spending all that money on an average car IMO.

[Si-3PO]

SidewaysSi said:

The GTS is only OK to drive compared to other cars/Porsches. Get the extra together and buy a GT4. Seems daft spending all that money on an average car IMO.

I’m curious, which other cars is it only OK when compared to at the £50-60k price point?

Edited by Si-3PO on Saturday 23 June 08:46

[Twinfan]

Si-3PO said:

I’m curios, which other cars is it only OK when compared to at the £50-60k price point?

I'd like to know that too.

A GT4 isn't massively different to drive when compared to a GTS in my experience. More focussed on track performance, sure, but similar in general overall feel and vibe. The GTS is a softer road-biased setup, as you'd expect.