981S vs 718 base
Discussion
n12maser said:
Are the ratios revised in the 718 Vs the 981 or is it more that they're the same, however turbo torque means you can shift lower down the rev range without a performance punishment,therefore more shifting (and more fun)?
I believe manual ratios are the same, PDK a tad higher. It means, for example, that cruising round the M25 in 7th (pdk) you are just around the 2000 rev mark where lag is a real issue.n12maser said:
Are the ratios revised in the 718 Vs the 981 or is it more that they're the same, however turbo torque means you can shift lower down the rev range without a performance punishment,therefore more shifting (and more fun)?
2nd goes north of 80 in the 981,base 718 is in the 60s iirc.rockin said:
That's the best yet. Will this blithering nonsense never come to an end?
After all, you could always try,
The oft-perceived advantage or turbos is instantly available midrange grunt - and for the best examples (of engines) - Audi TTRS for example, that is a reality. Just saying that is not the case with the 718, primarily because it has silly ratios - just like the 981. Porsche are so fixated with getting rather meaningless paper economy they compromise the real-world useability of their cars.After all, you could always try,
- 6th gear
- 5th gear
- 4th gear, or
- 3rd gear
bcr5784 said:
rockin said:
That's the best yet. Will this blithering nonsense never come to an end?
After all, you could always try,
The oft-perceived advantage or turbos is instantly available midrange grunt - and for the best examples (of engines) - Audi TTRS for example, that is a reality. Just saying that is not the case with the 718, primarily because it has silly ratios - just like the 981. Porsche are so fixated with getting rather meaningless paper economy they compromise the real-world useability of their cars.After all, you could always try,
- 6th gear
- 5th gear
- 4th gear, or
- 3rd gear
Porsche718S said:
Since when is 2000rpm mid-range?
It's about 70mph on the motorway, so I'm pretty sure that the ebb and flow of M25 traffic will have you manually selecting 6/5 and the box then changing up again. Or you could stick it in manual and 6th (or sport +!) and lose some of the economy. The 981 would be more relaxing under those circumstances as would an Alpine - or my wife's Ibiza. I suppose it's something to keep you occupied - but, to me, it detracts from the car as a daily driver. bcr5784 said:
Porsche718S said:
Since when is 2000rpm mid-range?
It's about 70mph on the motorway, so I'm pretty sure that the ebb and flow of M25 traffic will have you manually selecting 6/5 and the box then changing up again. Or you could stick it in manual and 6th (or sport +!) and lose some of the economy. The 981 would be more relaxing under those circumstances as would an Alpine - or my wife's Ibiza. I suppose it's something to keep you occupied - but, to me, it detracts from the car as a daily driver. To your scenario, either 718 pull pull quite happily from 2000rpm in 6th (or 7th with PDK) so your ‘pretty sure’ statement is anything but.
But then don’t let facts stand in the way of your posting drivel on the internet.
Porsche718S said:
OK, so we’ve established 2000rpm is not mid-range. Good.
To your scenario, either 718 pull pull quite happily from 2000rpm in 6th (or 7th with PDK) so your ‘pretty sure’ statement is anything but.
But then don’t let facts stand in the way of your posting drivel on the internet.
Can't be bothered with someone who just wants to get arsey. We only used to have a couple of people you couldn't have a sensible conversation with - but they seem to be multiplying. The 718S may pull happily from around 2000- I haven't tested it - but the base car doesn't - it was (for me) far and away the worst feature of the engine. EndofTo your scenario, either 718 pull pull quite happily from 2000rpm in 6th (or 7th with PDK) so your ‘pretty sure’ statement is anything but.
But then don’t let facts stand in the way of your posting drivel on the internet.
bcr5784 said:
rockin said:
Yup, me too, and the base 718 looks an absolute sportscar bargain. There's nothing to touch it for the money.
Just keeping saying that doesn't make it true. The Alpine is faster (at any sensiible speed), and cheaper, more comfortable, economical ...and most importantly more fun (imo of course).bcr5784 said:
Porsche718S said:
OK, so we’ve established 2000rpm is not mid-range. Good.
To your scenario, either 718 pull pull quite happily from 2000rpm in 6th (or 7th with PDK) so your ‘pretty sure’ statement is anything but.
But then don’t let facts stand in the way of your posting drivel on the internet.
Can't be bothered with someone who just wants to get arsey. We only used to have a couple of people you couldn't have a sensible conversation with - but they seem to be multiplying. The 718S may pull happily from around 2000- I haven't tested it - but the base car doesn't - it was (for me) far and away the worst feature of the engine. EndofTo your scenario, either 718 pull pull quite happily from 2000rpm in 6th (or 7th with PDK) so your ‘pretty sure’ statement is anything but.
But then don’t let facts stand in the way of your posting drivel on the internet.
Classic PistonHeads.
jonttt said:
but the Alpine is an ugly car, I know its fickle but why would anyone want to drive an ugly car ? It may drive better than it looks but you are comparing it to one of the best looking mid engine cars ever ;-)
Obviously you are entitled to that view - but it's clearly very much a minority one. Every roadtest praises the looks of the Alpine - you must surely know that..This is what PH said in their review vs the 718
"Because as a static object, be that in traffic or in car parks, the Alpine attracts huge amounts of unanimously positive attention. The Porsche, even in Racing Yellow with matching (£194!) seatbelts, can't match it for public enthusiasm, even when following directly behind. Kids want to sit in it, old boys want to tell you about classic Alpines, girls show modest curiosity rather than thinly veiled contempt; as something to see and be seen in, there can't be much at this money (besides that 4C) that makes you feel as good as a new Alpine."
bcr5784 said:
jonttt said:
but the Alpine is an ugly car, I know its fickle but why would anyone want to drive an ugly car ? It may drive better than it looks but you are comparing it to one of the best looking mid engine cars ever ;-)
Obviously you are entitled to that view - but it's clearly very much a minority one. Every roadtest praises the looks of the Alpine - you must surely know that..This is what PH said in their review vs the 718
"Because as a static object, be that in traffic or in car parks, the Alpine attracts huge amounts of unanimously positive attention. The Porsche, even in Racing Yellow with matching (£194!) seatbelts, can't match it for public enthusiasm, even when following directly behind. Kids want to sit in it, old boys want to tell you about classic Alpines, girls show modest curiosity rather than thinly veiled contempt; as something to see and be seen in, there can't be much at this money (besides that 4C) that makes you feel as good as a new Alpine."
bcr5784 said:
jonttt said:
but the Alpine is an ugly car, I know its fickle but why would anyone want to drive an ugly car ? It may drive better than it looks but you are comparing it to one of the best looking mid engine cars ever ;-)
Obviously you are entitled to that view - but it's clearly very much a minority one. Every roadtest praises the looks of the Alpine - you must surely know that..This is what PH said in their review vs the 718
"Because as a static object, be that in traffic or in car parks, the Alpine attracts huge amounts of unanimously positive attention. The Porsche, even in Racing Yellow with matching (£194!) seatbelts, can't match it for public enthusiasm, even when following directly behind. Kids want to sit in it, old boys want to tell you about classic Alpines, girls show modest curiosity rather than thinly veiled contempt; as something to see and be seen in, there can't be much at this money (besides that 4C) that makes you feel as good as a new Alpine."
- they have never seen one before and any bright color car attracts attention
And
- they think it looks a bite weird and not in a good way (that was my first thoughts when I saw one)
I’m shallow for it I know but the looks would stop me from ever getting in the drivers seat let alone desiring to own one.
That’s not to say its not a great car, I used to love scoobies in my yoof, I owned several but I new they where not the best looking cars in the world but just about got away with it. I fear this does not.
So tell me, why do you guys think your views are so out of touch with the rest of the motoring public? Let me put it this way, I've had more positive response to the Alpine in a week than I had in 4 years of my 981 ( and I agree that is ALSO a good looking car) - and clearly I'm not alone.
As I say, aesthetics are a very personal thing, so your view is perfectly valid, if a bit unusual.
As I say, aesthetics are a very personal thing, so your view is perfectly valid, if a bit unusual.
I have no idea, I guess it just proves I’m not led by popular opinion lol
I’ve not read any reviews of the alpine as the first pics I saw of it I new I did not like the look of it at all so had no interest in it. I am surprised therefore that generally people like the look as my tastes are generally not for off generic. If you like it that’s great, all I’m trying to get across is that to me the alpine is no comparison to a boxster / cayman on looks alone and I simply can;t get past that no matter how comparable / better the drive. As a reference I feel exactly the same about most Lotus’s.
I’ve not read any reviews of the alpine as the first pics I saw of it I new I did not like the look of it at all so had no interest in it. I am surprised therefore that generally people like the look as my tastes are generally not for off generic. If you like it that’s great, all I’m trying to get across is that to me the alpine is no comparison to a boxster / cayman on looks alone and I simply can;t get past that no matter how comparable / better the drive. As a reference I feel exactly the same about most Lotus’s.
jonttt said:
I have no idea, I guess it just proves I’m not led by popular opinion lol
I’ve not read any reviews of the alpine as the first pics I saw of it I new I did not like the look of it at all so had no interest in it. I am surprised therefore that generally people like the look as my tastes are generally not for off generic. If you like it that’s great, all I’m trying to get across is that to me the alpine is no comparison to a boxster / cayman on looks alone and I simply can;t get past that no matter how comparable / better the drive. As a reference I feel exactly the same about most Lotus’s.
Perhaps rather than saying it's ugly you might say it's not to your taste - despite general prevailing opinion to the contrary? As I say if you genuinely don't like it that's perfectly valid.I’ve not read any reviews of the alpine as the first pics I saw of it I new I did not like the look of it at all so had no interest in it. I am surprised therefore that generally people like the look as my tastes are generally not for off generic. If you like it that’s great, all I’m trying to get across is that to me the alpine is no comparison to a boxster / cayman on looks alone and I simply can;t get past that no matter how comparable / better the drive. As a reference I feel exactly the same about most Lotus’s.
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