981S vs 718 base
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testdrive_tv said:
If you took the time to post accurately it would help keep the thread on track, I haven't been abusive toward you.
First you mentioned throttle response and now you are into torque dips spoiling the 981, as you've said above your issue is long gearing in the manual car (which I agree with btw).
I would also say that if you are struggling to overtake in 3rd then you should consider improvement in the planning of your manoeuver.
I think the term "utter drivel" would in my book constitute at least a feeble attempt at a put-down. I'm perfectly capable of "planning a manoevre" - but I don't ALWAYS want to do it at high revs in second gear.First you mentioned throttle response and now you are into torque dips spoiling the 981, as you've said above your issue is long gearing in the manual car (which I agree with btw).
I would also say that if you are struggling to overtake in 3rd then you should consider improvement in the planning of your manoeuver.
Edited by testdrive_tv on Wednesday 21st November 18:37
I'm sorry if the concept of wanting to sometimes cruise, sometimes go along a briskly at 6 or 7 tenths (and therefore NOT rev the nuts of the engine), as well as sometimes go banzai, is anathema to you. If I wanted a focussed banzai steed, it wouldn't be a Cayman. The strength of a Cayman (imo) is that it is a great all-rounder. The dip in the torque curve, and the gearing, seriously detracts from that,
That's why I swapped to an Alpine A110 - because overall it covers those bases (much) better.
Twinfan said:
I would never try to overtake in third at 50mph, I'd always drop to second. It's more of a gearing issue than a torque curve issue IMHO.
It's both. If you are happy to do that all the time, that's fine for you - but not for me. (The Alpine A110 is faster over EVERY 20mph increment in THIRD than the 981S is in SECOND according to Autocar - and if you drive both you would believe it) anonymous said:
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I can see where you are coming from and (particularly with the new 2litre engine) the MX5 has a lot of appeal. But it really isn't as sensible as a DD as a Boxster and I'm not sure I could live with the (lack of) torsional rigidity - any more than I could live with the 718 engine.bcr5784 said:
It's both. If you are happy to do that all the time, that's fine for you - but not for me. (The Alpine A110 is faster over EVERY 20mph increment in THIRD than the 981S is in SECOND according to Autocar - and if you drive both you would believe it)
I just accept that my car needs to drop a gear to make progress for an overtake and I plan accordingly. Same as I've always done.Modern turbo engines will suit your way of driving, as you've discovered. They're not for me though.
Twinfan said:
I just accept that my car needs to drop a gear to make progress for an overtake and I plan accordingly. Same as I've always done.
Modern turbo engines will suit your way of driving, as you've discovered. They're not for me though.
That's a bit of a simplification - the 718 engine doesn't suit (big time), the Alpine one does. Not all turbos are the same any more than all NAs are - and I'm happy with supercharged engines too! I'd probably prefer the 991 engine characteristics with the Alpine gearing to any of the alternatives on offer (but I can't see them in a practical DD 1100kg car) . Modern turbo engines will suit your way of driving, as you've discovered. They're not for me though.
Twinfan said:
I just accept that my car needs to drop a gear to make progress for an overtake and I plan accordingly. Same as I've always done.
Modern turbo engines will suit your way of driving, as you've discovered. They're not for me though.
I think you are rather missing the point. I don't have ONE way of driving - I have several depending on my mood, who my passenger is, traffic, road conditions etc. For a DD I want a car to cover them all, if possible. If I wanted a weekend hoon car it wouldn't be an all-rounder like the Cayster. It would be something much more focussed (Lotus/Caterham?)- and almost certainly not one which did 115mph in 3rd gear rendering the remaining ratios largely redundant.Modern turbo engines will suit your way of driving, as you've discovered. They're not for me though.
But actually what you or I want is irrelevant - it's what the OP (remember him?) wants that this thread should be about.
Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 22 November 09:51
Twinfan said:
I want the NA and manual 'box experience, warts and all.
It is a very fine experience, even if becoming somewhat "old school" today. I enjoy swapping between cars which have different driving experiences.While 981 may not be a "fast" car it can be pleasingly "quick" and is very well engineered for the money. Any of these entry Porsches are an absolute bargain IMO, and I love the balance of that mid-engine chassis.
rockin said:
Twinfan said:
I want the NA and manual 'box experience, warts and all.
While 981 may not be a "fast" car it can be pleasingly "quick" and is very well engineered for the money. Any of these entry Porsches are an absolute bargain IMO, and I love the balance of that mid-engine chassis.The 981 CGTS does 0-60 in 4.3 seconds and tops out at 177mph which must make it 'fast' compared to 99.9% of vehicles on UK roads.
What do you drive on the road that is 'significantly' faster in the real world?
CastroSays said:
WOW - how very condescending.
The 981 CGTS does 0-60 in 4.3 seconds and tops out at 177mph which must make it 'fast' compared to 99.9% of vehicles on UK roads.
What do you drive on the road that is 'significantly' faster in the real world?
I think they drive a 718. More modern and faster, innit bruv The 981 CGTS does 0-60 in 4.3 seconds and tops out at 177mph which must make it 'fast' compared to 99.9% of vehicles on UK roads.
What do you drive on the road that is 'significantly' faster in the real world?
Twinfan said:
I think they drive a 718. More modern and faster, innit bruv
Just what are you suggesting there Twinfan ? I'm sure somewhere you mentioned your wife had a Focus RS. Now I'm not one for casting aspersions based on what people drive, or even how much they enjoy the sound of a sports exhaust, but neither of those are quietly understated motors are they?Schmed said:
Just what are you suggesting there Twinfan ? I'm sure somewhere you mentioned your wife had a Focus RS. Now I'm not one for casting aspersions based on what people drive, or even how much they enjoy the sound of a sports exhaust, but neither of those are quietly understated motors are they?
I was merely tipping a nod to the 718 vs 981 arguments where the 718 owners, like yourself, tend to refer to us 981 owners as dinosaurs with old cars. It was just a bit of banter 
CastroSays said:
WOW - how very condescending.
Why? No point kidding anyone. These Porsches are quick but they're not the fastest cars on the planet.CastroSays said:
What do you drive on the road that is 'significantly' faster in the real world?
Corvette Stingray, from £65k, is savagely fast. But that's not the point. Both are great sports cars albeit with very different character. rockin said:
CastroSays said:
What do you drive on the road that is 'significantly' faster in the real world?
Corvette Stingray, from £65k, is savagely fast. But that's not the point. Both are great sports cars albeit with very different character. ;-)
I have a 718 Cayman PDK loan car for a week. Sorry, but it is simply ghastly. I have driven several 718’s, mostly the S version, some seem better than others, but the engine in this car (a 68 plate with less than 400 miles on the clock) is so crude and unpleasant I leave it on the drive now and use my DD Golf GTI which is a far more pleasant car to drive. By far the worse 718 I have driven - maybe the roughness is due to the very low mileage? Sorry chaps but I tell it how I find it!
In answer to the OP, I would never choose this car over a 981.
In answer to the OP, I would never choose this car over a 981.
Edited by dreamcar on Friday 23 November 10:33
dreamcar said:
I have a 718 Cayman PDK loan car for a week. Sorry, but it is simply ghastly. I have driven several 718’s, mostly the S version, some seem better than others, but the engine in this car (a 68 plate with less than 400 miles on the clock) is so crude and unpleasant I leave it on the drive now and use my DD Golf GTI which is a far more pleasant car to drive. By far the worse 718 I have driven - maybe the roughness is due to the very low mileage? Sorry chaps but I tell it how I find it!
In answer to the OP, I would never choose this car over a 981.
Do you know whether it had the particulate filter - it should have had for a 68 reg, but there are some exemptions for "dealer" cars (however that is defined).In answer to the OP, I would never choose this car over a 981.
Edited by dreamcar on Friday 23 November 10:33
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