981S vs 718 base
Discussion
tedblog said:
Trevor555 said:
Flippo said:
Looking at the above two cars and I must say the 718 appears great value at 42k new (I don't need many options) vs a used 981S, which are currently being sold at ridiculous opc used prices (41k for a '14 plate...wtf!).
THanks
Have a deep think about why that 14 plate car is the same price as a new one.THanks
Edited by tedblog on Friday 31st August 17:40
The last 981 I sold into the trade was a 2013 with only 5,000 miles on it.
Never have I had so many dealers calling me back after their initial offer and trying to buy it, upping their offers.
And I've sold a fair few cars in my time.
It's all about desirability, and what people will pay retail.
It speaks for it's self when a four year old example retails for the same price as a newish one.
Trevor555 said:
tedblog said:
Trevor555 said:
Flippo said:
Looking at the above two cars and I must say the 718 appears great value at 42k new (I don't need many options) vs a used 981S, which are currently being sold at ridiculous opc used prices (41k for a '14 plate...wtf!).
THanks
Have a deep think about why that 14 plate car is the same price as a new one.THanks
Edited by tedblog on Friday 31st August 17:40
The last 981 I sold into the trade was a 2013 with only 5,000 miles on it.
Never have I had so many dealers calling me back after their initial offer and trying to buy it, upping their offers.
And I've sold a fair few cars in my time.
It's all about desirability, and what people will pay retail.
It speaks for it's self when a four year old example retails for the same price as a newish one.
Trevor555 said:
The OP isn't asking about selling into the trade, but now that you mention it,
The last 981 I sold into the trade was a 2013 with only 5,000 miles on it.
Never have I had so many dealers calling me back after their initial offer and trying to buy it, upping their offers.
And I've sold a fair few cars in my time.
It's all about desirability, and what people will pay retail.
It speaks for it's self when a four year old example retails for the same price as a newish one.
I dont disagree with you , plenty of people have made good money buying and selling 981,s supply and demand, the demand is outstripping demand for the last of the n/a f6 and all that jazz .The last 981 I sold into the trade was a 2013 with only 5,000 miles on it.
Never have I had so many dealers calling me back after their initial offer and trying to buy it, upping their offers.
And I've sold a fair few cars in my time.
It's all about desirability, and what people will pay retail.
It speaks for it's self when a four year old example retails for the same price as a newish one.
People see the opc prices and think thats what b their car is worth when quite frankly it isnt.
Dealers have wish list customers an easy sale if the right one comes along, low mileage full spec always command good money, a low spec 981 with average mileage , now thats a different deal altogether?
Edited by tedblog on Friday 31st August 21:40
bcr5784 said:
Oddly enough I've never driven a perfect car - they've all got some downside or other.
That’s true but a current 911 is dangerously close which is a real dilemma as I’m struggling to indulge the usual ‘next car’ daydreams which are such an important part of a petrolheads life!Foundthecure said:
I’m not getting how a 14 plate Cayman S, possibly with £10k worth of options (speculative maybe), can be compared in price to a bog standard 718, and given that OPC rountinely put £10k across their used cars, whoever owned the Cayman S has still lost a lot in depreciation, albeit less than most other brands. And for anyone interested in residuals on the 718, I got offered £60k on my 4 month old GTS, against a pre reg 911. Cost me £62k OTR. The 911 was the same price with or without the GTS.
Amazing to know how much better 718 GTS’s are holding value compared to 718 CS’s. I lost 17k in 10 months and 4000 miles on my CS, and I had to really fight to get 53k for it from an independent as OPC’s didn’t think it was worth 50. Most heavily depreciating Porsche I’ve owned out of the 8 I’ve had.
t really when it comes down to it ;-)I sold my 993 in the summer. Great car. Never owned anything so long. Part of the draw was the fact it wasn’t losing any money. The opposite in fact.
I’m currently looking for either a nice low miles manual 981S, a 4C Spyder or a facelift Elise 220.
The 981 was made for a similar period to 993- just 4! Years ish. The 987 is ugly. I had one when they were new and the progression from my previous 986 was imho, minimal. The only 987 I’d want is a Spyder as the unique body work and ethos of the car are something different to the other 987’s
The answers to the OP’s questions are in this thread. The 718 has nice looking DRL’s and is fast and efficient. It’s going to depreciate quite hard. Dealers know the 981 is desirable on account of the 6. That’s why they are already commanding more than a 718 on the used market.
That may piss some 718 owners off, others won’t care but it’s undeniably the truth regardless of which is the better car. David can bang on about how great 987.2 is. But everyone else would prefer 981 as it’s so much prettier.
I’m currently looking for either a nice low miles manual 981S, a 4C Spyder or a facelift Elise 220.
The 981 was made for a similar period to 993- just 4! Years ish. The 987 is ugly. I had one when they were new and the progression from my previous 986 was imho, minimal. The only 987 I’d want is a Spyder as the unique body work and ethos of the car are something different to the other 987’s
The answers to the OP’s questions are in this thread. The 718 has nice looking DRL’s and is fast and efficient. It’s going to depreciate quite hard. Dealers know the 981 is desirable on account of the 6. That’s why they are already commanding more than a 718 on the used market.
That may piss some 718 owners off, others won’t care but it’s undeniably the truth regardless of which is the better car. David can bang on about how great 987.2 is. But everyone else would prefer 981 as it’s so much prettier.
Si-3PO said:
Amazing to know how much better 718 GTS’s are holding value compared to 718 CS’s. I lost 17k in 10 months and 4000 miles on my CS, and I had to really fight to get 53k for it from an independent as OPC’s didn’t think it was worth 50. Most heavily depreciating Porsche I’ve owned out of the 8 I’ve had.
Ouch. That’s a well optioned car. My ‘poverty spec’ 718 has lost 22% in two years and 20k miles according to wbac, if true that’s the slowest depreciating car I’ve owned.The opc prices do throw a curve ball into equation as although that 981 is up at 42 they probably only paid 36 for it ? A bit of a difference .
Could always buy it at 42 then sell the next day and see if you get your 42 back? I think not.
Things will settle down after a year or 2 Its a dilema as said before to retain top price the car has to have a full spec list and low mileage.
Local car sales have just moved a 14 plate gts on with 42k on it for 44k they didnt pay that, now with less than 10k miles and it would be worth 8k more.
Its a fickle world. Or the morale of the story is if you want to keep the value in your car?
Dont use it
Could always buy it at 42 then sell the next day and see if you get your 42 back? I think not.
Things will settle down after a year or 2 Its a dilema as said before to retain top price the car has to have a full spec list and low mileage.
Local car sales have just moved a 14 plate gts on with 42k on it for 44k they didnt pay that, now with less than 10k miles and it would be worth 8k more.
Its a fickle world. Or the morale of the story is if you want to keep the value in your car?
Dont use it
Edited by tedblog on Saturday 1st September 07:34
Edited by tedblog on Saturday 1st September 09:02
tedblog said:
The opc prices do throw a curve ball into equation as although that 981 is up at 42 they probably only paid 36 for it ? A bit of a difference .
Could always buy it at 42 then sell the next day and see if you get your 42 back? I think not.
Things will settle down after a year or 2 Its a dilema as said before to retain top price the car has to have a full spec list and low mileage.
Local car sales have just moved a 14 plate on with 42k on it for 44k they didnt pay that, now with less the 10k miles and it was work 8k more.
Its a fickle world. Or the morale of the story is if you want to keep thr value in your car?
Dont use it
Most nonsensical post of 2018?Could always buy it at 42 then sell the next day and see if you get your 42 back? I think not.
Things will settle down after a year or 2 Its a dilema as said before to retain top price the car has to have a full spec list and low mileage.
Local car sales have just moved a 14 plate on with 42k on it for 44k they didnt pay that, now with less the 10k miles and it was work 8k more.
Its a fickle world. Or the morale of the story is if you want to keep thr value in your car?
Dont use it
Edited by tedblog on Saturday 1st September 07:34
Si-3PO said:
tedblog said:
The opc prices do throw a curve ball into equation as although that 981 is up at 42 they probably only paid 36 for it ? A bit of a difference .
Could always buy it at 42 then sell the next day and see if you get your 42 back? I think not.
Things will settle down after a year or 2 Its a dilema as said before to retain top price the car has to have a full spec list and low mileage.
Local car sales have just moved a 14 plate on with 42k on it for 44k they didnt pay that, now with less the 10k miles and it was work 8k more.
Its a fickle world. Or the morale of the story is if you want to keep thr value in your car?
Dont use it
Most nonsensical post of 2018?Could always buy it at 42 then sell the next day and see if you get your 42 back? I think not.
Things will settle down after a year or 2 Its a dilema as said before to retain top price the car has to have a full spec list and low mileage.
Local car sales have just moved a 14 plate on with 42k on it for 44k they didnt pay that, now with less the 10k miles and it was work 8k more.
Its a fickle world. Or the morale of the story is if you want to keep thr value in your car?
Dont use it
Edited by tedblog on Saturday 1st September 07:34
Look at the price difference between average mileage and low mileage. Im talking about less than 10k in 3 years
Its irrelevent that people say i got offered xyz when you dont take that offer up?
In the real world of car sales the price on the forecourt is not what you would get for yours?
tedblog said:
Is it though?
Look at the price difference between average mileage and low mileage. Im talking about less than 10k in 3 years
Its irrelevent that people say i got offered xyz when you dont take that offer up?
In the real world of car sales the price on the forecourt is not what you would get for yours?
From “Local...” onwards, I haven’t a clue what you’re trying to say.Look at the price difference between average mileage and low mileage. Im talking about less than 10k in 3 years
Its irrelevent that people say i got offered xyz when you dont take that offer up?
In the real world of car sales the price on the forecourt is not what you would get for yours?
And of course the forecourt price isn’t the price the car is worth once you’ve driven away. Truth is you’ll lose less on secondhand vehicle than a brand new one once you’ve driven off so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make?
Si-3PO said:
tedblog said:
Is it though?
Look at the price difference between average mileage and low mileage. Im talking about less than 10k in 3 years
Its irrelevent that people say i got offered xyz when you dont take that offer up?
In the real world of car sales the price on the forecourt is not what you would get for yours?
From “Local...” onwards, I haven’t a clue what you’re trying to say.Look at the price difference between average mileage and low mileage. Im talking about less than 10k in 3 years
Its irrelevent that people say i got offered xyz when you dont take that offer up?
In the real world of car sales the price on the forecourt is not what you would get for yours?
And of course the forecourt price isn’t the price the car is worth once you’ve driven away. Truth is you’ll lose less on secondhand vehicle than a brand new one once you’ve driven off so I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make?
DJMC said:
jimbo761 said:
Economy in 'normal mode' which I rarely use :
What's your average over, say, 5k miles?I think the base 981 will be more economical overall, but I'm just basing that on my TTS' inability to average over 32mpg.
dreamcar said:
DJMC said:
jimbo761 said:
Economy in 'normal mode' which I rarely use :
What's your average over, say, 5k miles?I think the base 981 will be more economical overall, but I'm just basing that on my TTS' inability to average over 32mpg.
I don’t think you’re using it as intended
Si-3PO said:
dreamcar said:
DJMC said:
jimbo761 said:
Economy in 'normal mode' which I rarely use :
What's your average over, say, 5k miles?I think the base 981 will be more economical overall, but I'm just basing that on my TTS' inability to average over 32mpg.
I don’t think you’re using it as intended
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