718 GT4 - Have I lost the plot?

718 GT4 - Have I lost the plot?

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JayK12

2,324 posts

203 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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Olivera said:
JayK12 said:
We have tested re-gearing on our own project GT4 and have settled on a solution that changes 3rd, 4th, and 5th gears to shorter, closer ratios (approx difference is 14% in 3rd, 18% in 4th, and 16% in 5th).
IMO that is not fixing the problem at all. It still leaves a far too long 2nd gear (max speed 84mph). Every gear from 2 to 5 needs geared downwards.
Agreed, I would be interested in the FD, at $2500 it would be a very good value for money modification.

Foundthecure

92 posts

72 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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LiamH66 said:
Foundthecure said:
May I ask how much the 718 depreciated, I know some would like to think it’s “epic”, but I think they’ll hold up ok??
12.5k, possibly better, we're working out the finer detail. A friend's AMG GT S seems to have fared far less well despite much lower mileage. I'm neither surprised not disappointed.

Liam
Seems about right. I tend to lose £10k per year regardless of what car it is.

JayK12

2,324 posts

203 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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Sorted FD being used in a GT4 around Sebring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIHeU3sG8Mk

TDT

4,943 posts

120 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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JayK12 said:
Sorted FD being used in a GT4 around Sebring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIHeU3sG8Mk
The Autoquest 20% Reduction FD solution look awesome for a Track only car imo.... as that vid shows.
Probably a bit too short if you do any distance in the car on the road though.
As some one said... 2,3,4 & 5 shortened, with a slightly longer 6th for the cruise would probably be ideal. Or maybe even just leave 6 alone.

TDT

4,943 posts

120 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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anonymous said:
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Or this, yep.

LiamH66

Original Poster:

688 posts

92 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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Schmed said:
rofl even the most ardent hater of the engine change would concede a 718 does not drive “real bad”. You are a comedian James.

Did you test drive the GT4, Liam ?
I did not. Funnily enough I test drive very few cars that I buy. Generally takes me a few weeks to figure out if I like them or not, so a test drive is kind of pointless. The "almost" exception to this was the 718 C, where I test drove a 718 Boxster to see if I could live with the 2.0 T4 engine. I know I can live with stupidly tall gearing, as I have done so for the last 16 months or so!

Liam

boxsey

3,575 posts

211 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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LiamH66 said:
Looks like the deed is done, although I will be getting something else to use when it can't really be a daily (salty roads, long term car parks, etc.), but deposit paid, so I'm committed (or ought to be). Intent is as a long term keeper, so depreciation will be fairly academic if it really is a huge issue. FWIW the 718 seems to have done OK for 16 months depreciation.
Congratulations. Used in that way I think you are going to love the GT4. smile Just got mine back today after having a 718 boxster (PDK) as a loaner for a few days. This just reaffirmed my thoughts that the GT4 is in a completely different class to a 718 for driving enjoyment. smile

JayK12

2,324 posts

203 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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TDT said:
anonymous said:
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Or this, yep.
I asked AutoQuest who make the FD what the RPM would be in 6th @ 70mph, answer was it will be very close to what 5th gear is @ 70mph.

Do anyone make a longer 6th to go with this FD, or a shorter 2nd to go with the Sharwerks 3,4,5th?

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

266 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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anonymous said:
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I thought there were 4x the wear if you did that solution ! as the gears don't wear even so just wear out fast !


the GT4 won't suit gearing that short either as the engine don't rev out, so no need to red line the car.
look at any dyno of a GT4 and peak is very early, I never did manage to vbox short shifting over red line to confirm, but I think there is no point red lining a Gt4.

most plots are making peak BHP at 6300 rpm !!!

only the x51 cars and the super tuned GT4 make peak higher up !

even with a chip tune peak is still sub 6500 rpm


Porsche911R

21,146 posts

266 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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if you have the money this is the stroked 4.0l x51 gt4 engine . now that just keeps making power :-)


JayK12

2,324 posts

203 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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Jens sent me a quote for a 3.8 in the GTS, alot........ stoked 3.8 is going to be astronomical lol.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

266 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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JayK12 said:
Jens sent me a quote for a 3.8 in the GTS, alot........ stoked 3.8 is going to be astronomical lol.
you can get 380BHP from the GTS anyway with bolt ons . and it will keep making BHP to red line.

380bhp =


gtsralph

1,188 posts

145 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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Porsche911R said:
most plots are making peak BHP at 6300 rpm !!!

only the x51 cars and the super tuned GT4 make peak higher up !

even with a chip tune peak is still sub 6500 rpm
A GT4 with X51 and better exhaust v stock GT4



Better torque curve and stronger power at the top end, it's just an air pump.

gtsralph

1,188 posts

145 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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JayK12 said:
Jens sent me a quote for a 3.8 in the GTS, alot........ stoked 3.8 is going to be astronomical lol.
He did mine in 2015...

JayK12

2,324 posts

203 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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Porsche911R said:
JayK12 said:
Jens sent me a quote for a 3.8 in the GTS, alot........ stoked 3.8 is going to be astronomical lol.
you can get 380BHP from the GTS anyway with bolt ons . and it will keep making BHP to red line.

380bhp =

Yup been reading up, in the US alot of the guys are using Fabspeed headers (200 cell cats), BMC Filters, Cobb Tune and hitting 360 - 370hp.

Looking at stages.Filters+Re-map 350hp, + Manifolds 360/370hp + IPD 370hp/375hp + Exhaust 375/385hp.




anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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Seems like a lot of work. You can get 365PS out of a stock 718 GTS wink

JayK12

2,324 posts

203 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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Schmed said:
Seems like a lot of work. You can get 365PS out of a stock 718 GTS wink
Breathing mods are not really alot of work, considered basic. Yeah I could get that out of a 718 but I'd need to like it to want it.

James McScotty

457 posts

145 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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anonymous said:
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I completely agree, but then I'm "a comedian", apparently.

JayK12

2,324 posts

203 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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James McScotty said:
anonymous said:
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I completely agree, but then I'm "a comedian", apparently.
I'm a fan of NA Sports cars, so after 2 years I've started making changes to the GTS, if I don't get a 718 Spyder allocation I'll probably add power to the GTS.

Olivera

7,158 posts

240 months

Wednesday 26th September 2018
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Porsche911R said:
the GT4 won't suit gearing that short either as the engine don't rev out, so no need to red line the car.
look at any dyno of a GT4 and peak is very early, I never did manage to vbox short shifting over red line to confirm, but I think there is no point red lining a Gt4.

most plots are making peak BHP at 6300 rpm !!!
All of the fast nurburgring lap times and other magazine test videos have the driver changing at around 7500rpm in the GT4. The Porsche book figure is peak power at 7400rpm.