Aquaplaned

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ATM

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9,542 posts

164 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Hit a big puddle and car went light. Rotated slightly and then exited puddle pointing towards central reservation. I was initially in lane 2 before puddle but then when car gripped again I crossed lane 3 quickly. Managed to prevent impact with central barrier but had right wheels on the grass or whatever it is. Went back towards centre of motorway but too much momentum in the back of the car / angle for me or my skill set. I think I did a bit of a swing one way then the next and then started heading towards the verge and the grass. That's when I decided I was out of time and slammed on the brakes. When car stopped after a bit of cross country I honestly thought I'd saved it and was thinking I was lucky. I was thinking I could drive or limp the car to somewhere a bit safer until I got out and saw this


Ahbefive

11,651 posts

117 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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I don't want to be that guy so will refrain from stating the obvious. Could have been much worse though.

Twinfan

3,982 posts

49 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Ouch. I was out and about yesterday in the pouring rain and there was a LOT of standing water about due to the sudden and large amount of rainfall.

You were lucky no-one else was involved and you survived unscathed. Repairs shouldn't be too bad, probably just bolt on bits and the left rear wing?

Schmed

1,148 posts

17 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Ouch, sorry to hear op, but clearly could’ve been much worse. Out of interest what were the tyres ? I found P-Zeroes to be an absolute liability in the wet.

ATM

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9,542 posts

164 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Goodyear Eagles. I was actually deliberating last week if I should switch to my winter wheel and tyre combo but decided it wasn't quite cold enough yet. I'm going to guess that they would have been the better tyres on the day.

I think the rear of the car clipped a sign post which is what ripped the wheel off. Possibly at a bit of an angle as the front of the car was fine. If I had been a few inches further to the left then I could have hit that same post with the front corner and either spun round or flipped the car over. Both of which make me think yes, I definitely feel lucky.

IMI A

6,887 posts

146 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Bad luck mate. Had an incident on track where I aqua-planed straight into a farmers field earlier in the year frown You're just a passenger/victim when something like this happens. You're fine and no-one else hurt thats the main thing.

Helicopter123

6,218 posts

101 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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The main thing is you are OK, the car can be fixed.


Cheib

16,784 posts

120 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Sounds like you got off pretty lightly there. I hit some pretty deep standing water yesterday in our Cayenne....could go round it due to oncoming traffic...I thought to myself as I hit it “thank fk I’m not in the 911”....pretty sure it would have ended badly

DJMC

2,499 posts

48 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Bad luck.

Could I ask a couple of questions, as GY F1 A2s are my tyre of choice and have never faltered in the wet.

What is the tread depth on the tyres? That rear looks to be pretty low, but it may be the photo.

Also, what speed are you doing just before you saw the puddle?

Thanks.

Paynewright

345 posts

22 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Few years ago I passed two cars in the ditch on the A43 near Brackley. One of the dips in the road was partially flooded. I managed to squeeze into lane one a bit and just catch the edge of it so was OK. In the dark you wouldnt have seen it to the last minute. I’m always wary of big puddles now.

Easily done. Everyone safe and just the car to fix.

Regards
Ian

Ayahuasca

23,814 posts

224 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Those tyres look lethal to me - as there are no lateral grooves where is water in the middle of the contact area meant to go?


colin_p

2,004 posts

157 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Glad you are ok, but....

Looking at that damage, it just doesn't look quite right. Complete speculation but something major may have let go on the rear suspension and caused this rather than aquaplaning.

Again, complete total and utter speculation.

Olivera

3,486 posts

184 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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Ayahuasca said:
Those tyres look lethal to me - as there are no lateral grooves where is water in the middle of the contact area meant to go?
If they are Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2/3 then they are *superb* in the wet, A rated wet weather performance and rated best wet weather tyre by Evo magazine in 2018.

I suspect here they've been ran down to low tread depth and there just hasn't been enough depth to clear the standing water.

ATM

Original Poster:

9,542 posts

164 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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I've not measured the depth recently and would have had a good look at them if I had switched to the winter setup. Goodyear Eagles don't really have lateral grooves across the whole tyre - there are some. When new they have some lateral slits which are not deep and don't go from groove to groove. Google image below of a slimmer tyre.

But yes they are worn a bit. They've been on the car for maybe 3000 to 4000 miles. We can't all have new tyres all the time. Any car will aqua plain with whatever tyre given the right variables of speed of car and weight (maybe down force) and depth of water.

These light sports cars with fat tyres are more susceptible.


Porsche911R

17,322 posts

210 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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Olivera said:
If they are Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2/3 then they are *superb* in the wet, A rated wet weather performance and rated best wet weather tyre by Evo magazine in 2018.

I suspect here they've been ran down to low tread depth and there just hasn't been enough depth to clear the standing water.
if they were N spec which I would say they were, they would not be a new style tyre, so cannot go on 2018 tyre tests people still fit PS2's !!!

tread looks ok in the pics, just to fast for the conditions, it seems. Also Good years go of even with over 3mm left, I binned mine on my R after a while as I just got fed up with no traction when the 1st few mm had worn off them

Unlike a PS4S most tyres are poor below 3mm. A PS4S works to the legal limit very well a big selling point.

Edited by Porsche911R on Monday 10th December 08:56

ATM

Original Poster:

9,542 posts

164 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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Porsche911R said:
Olivera said:
If they are Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2/3 then they are *superb* in the wet, A rated wet weather performance and rated best wet weather tyre by Evo magazine in 2018.

I suspect here they've been ran down to low tread depth and there just hasn't been enough depth to clear the standing water.
if they were N spec which I would say they were, they would not be a new style tyre, so cannot go on 2018 tyre tests people still fit PS2's !!!

tread looks ok in the pics, just to fast for the conditions, it seems. Also Good years go of even with over 3mm left, I binned mine on my R after a while as I just got fed up with no traction when the 1st few mm had worn off them

Unlike a PS4S most tyres are poor below 3mm. A PS4S works to the legal limit very well a big selling point.
Yes n0. The tyre tests are never performed with an n0 so they will use the standard eagles. We don't know what Porsche n rating does to affect the wet weather performance but like I say if you hit deep water it's almost irrelevant what tyres are on the car.

croyde

15,748 posts

175 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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Tyres, blooming expensive at sports car levels, should not give below par performance after losing their first few mm.

That is terrible.

My Mustang GT came shod with Pirelli Zeros which were a lethal liability in the wet and cold on a RWD 400 odd bhp car.

A few first owners smashed their cars up thanks to these.

I quickly changed mine to Michelins and then the car was brilliant wet and dry.

How one tyre can do the work and the other can't when they both cost the same is beyond me.

Weirdly the far cheaper than the competition Falkens that I always fit to my e36 have never let me down in the wet, unlike the Contis and Avons it has been shod with before.

Sorry to see this OP. That is st3! But at least you walked away.

daddy cool

3,461 posts

174 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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So, how fast were you going?

ATM

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164 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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I wasn't speeding. It was really peesing it down so poor visibility.

daddy cool

3,461 posts

174 months

Monday 10th December 2018
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ATM said:
I wasn't speeding. It was really peesing it down so poor visibility.
So, does that mean you were doing 70?