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981Boxess said:
saaby93 said:
You can buy a car with an isnurance marker against it which has had an oustanding repair and possibly better than original condition.
Or you could buy a car thats had a shunt outside insurance and with a repair that no-one knows about.
Which is best?
No car that has been repaired is better than one that hasn't been, unless it was in a shid state before the accident so it had to end up looking better by default.Or you could buy a car thats had a shunt outside insurance and with a repair that no-one knows about.
Which is best?
A mint car that is involved in an accident will never be better than it was pre accident, the best you can hope for is that you cannet tell it has been repaired.
aquaplaning save in the DCW thread 0:30
Nicely held!
Having been through exactly the same thing myself last winter (just some mild aquaplanning, not a write off thankfully) all I can say is I found the ice hill / kick plate experience were very useful. Losing it at 70 is a little different to the 20-30 mph at the PEC however..
Having been through exactly the same thing myself last winter (just some mild aquaplanning, not a write off thankfully) all I can say is I found the ice hill / kick plate experience were very useful. Losing it at 70 is a little different to the 20-30 mph at the PEC however..
981Boxess said:
ATM said:
I'm not trying to make my car perfect. I'm just trying to extract the maximum enjoyment from what I have for the least amount of money. I understand that some people don't understand this.
I think it is easy to understand, you are happy with a CAT? car as long as it is cheaper. You would be a perfect candidate to buy your car when you come to sell it on and I dare say there are plenty more like you out there.Equally there are also others who prefer to spend a bit more and have something better. I would not buy your car at any price, that does not make me right and you wrong, it is right for you and wrong for me, simple as that, we each have a choice.
Sorry wasn't trying to be argumentative. I just know a couple of OCD friends who can not understand having a car like mine with a little leak and bashed in on one side. They just see a turd and have zero interest in it. Even if repaired they just think - because you cant necessarily see - CAT marker and want to run away. So these are the people who can just not understand it. Even if repaired absolutely brilliantly they will never get away from it is a smashed up turd.
Schmed said:
Nicely held!
Having been through exactly the same thing myself last winter (just some mild aquaplanning, not a write off thankfully) all I can say is I found the ice hill / kick plate experience were very useful. Losing it at 70 is a little different to the 20-30 mph at the PEC however..
I just couldn't get on with the kick plate.Having been through exactly the same thing myself last winter (just some mild aquaplanning, not a write off thankfully) all I can say is I found the ice hill / kick plate experience were very useful. Losing it at 70 is a little different to the 20-30 mph at the PEC however..
A normal spin is presaged by some loading up in a given direction and I react before i have even really been consciously aware of it. The kick plate just screwed with my head.
Gary C said:
I just couldn't get on with the kick plate.
A normal spin is presaged by some loading up in a given direction and I react before i have even really been consciously aware of it. The kick plate just screwed with my head.
Having spun my old boxster a few times on track (in the wet, hitting standing water mid corner), a high speed spin in a mid or rear engined car can happen pretty quickly. By the time you realise what has happened, it's already too late and you're already quite disoriented. A normal spin is presaged by some loading up in a given direction and I react before i have even really been consciously aware of it. The kick plate just screwed with my head.
The "slightly overcooked it" spin is far more progressive but probably not the cause of that many accidents (PSM is pretty good at sorting these out).
I haven't been on the PEC kick plate but I'd guess it is probably far more realistic in terms of the kind of "losing control" you are likely to experience in bad weather
ATM said:
I just know a couple of OCD friends who can not understand having a car like mine with a little leak and bashed in on one side. They just see a turd and have zero interest in it. Even if repaired they just think - because you cant necessarily see - CAT marker and want to run away. So these are the people who can just not understand it. Even if repaired absolutely brilliantly they will never get away from it is a smashed up turd.
There we will have to disagree, I would not label someone as OCD because they don't get what you are doing with this car. I would label them as honest rather than OCD and value them as real world friends. If you did a pole on here and people answered honestly I wouldn't mind betting that very few people would get it. Most people in forums prioritise being polite over being honest and keep their real thoughts to themselves. I would never say anything on here I would not say to anyone's face, I am not very "English"English = "did you enjoy the meal sir" "yes, thanks it was lovely" pays the bill, leaves a generous tip and walks out, meal and service were both rubbish.
Once again, if you are getting what you want from this project good luck to you, I don't get it but then I don't have to I am not paying for anything here and I respect your right to do whatever you want in your life as long as it doesn't affect me. Would I park next to your car in a car park, no, I would park at the other end - obviously
PaulD86 said:
My Mondeo needed a new bumper, grill and a light. It didn't go through insurance, I replaced the broken parts myself and got the bumper painted. Cost me £600. The painter who did insurance work told me if he priced the job for insurance, the car would have been written off. Cheapest equivelant replacement I could find was £4000. So, don't confuse what is right for an insurer and what is right for an individual. Writing off my car for the minor cosmetic damage it had would not have been smart, it would have been wasteful and pointless.
Agreed - this (car/value/damage) is not the same scenario.ATM said:
981Boxess said:
Would I park next to your car in a car park, no, I would park at the other end - obviously
FunnyI would have thought the opposite. You want your car to look good, just park next to the sheet one - mine.
Or is this fear - he might drive into mine leaving the car park?
If I see a car in a car park that looks long term less than tidy I assume whoever is driving it doesn't care, if they don't care about their own stuff what chance is there they will care about mine.
981Boxess said:
ATM said:
981Boxess said:
Would I park next to your car in a car park, no, I would park at the other end - obviously
FunnyI would have thought the opposite. You want your car to look good, just park next to the sheet one - mine.
Or is this fear - he might drive into mine leaving the car park?
If I see a car in a car park that looks long term less than tidy I assume whoever is driving it doesn't care, if they don't care about their own stuff what chance is there they will care about mine.
Just so you know I consider myself to be very respectful of other people and their property.
I'm not really sure what the issue is here.
If I wrote off my Cayman, got paid for it, and then bought it back for a price that was low enough, I'd happily just drive around in it looking scruffy. It wouldn't owe me anything, I wouldn't be too precious about it, and - assuming it still drove well - I'd get the same level of enjoyment out of it once the car was in motion (especially on track days).
It's not like ATM is trying to pass it off as an unsullied virgin or even sell it on as having had "just a minor scratch." I totally get it. I wouldn't buy the car from him (I just wouldn't buy a Cat car) but he's not trying to sell it to me so I think we're fine there.
If I wrote off my Cayman, got paid for it, and then bought it back for a price that was low enough, I'd happily just drive around in it looking scruffy. It wouldn't owe me anything, I wouldn't be too precious about it, and - assuming it still drove well - I'd get the same level of enjoyment out of it once the car was in motion (especially on track days).
It's not like ATM is trying to pass it off as an unsullied virgin or even sell it on as having had "just a minor scratch." I totally get it. I wouldn't buy the car from him (I just wouldn't buy a Cat car) but he's not trying to sell it to me so I think we're fine there.
981Boxess said:
ATM said:
Just so you know I consider myself to be very respectful of other people and their property.
It wasn't aimed at you, I don't doubt you are (makes note to self about being more serious on forums)This is just chit chat and all good fun. And it beats working right. This is just my occasional 5 minute break.
I'd have no quibble buying a damaged repaired vehicle if the price was right, I knew what I was buying and I equally expected to get less or difficulty finding a buyer when/if it was sold. I'd be more reassured if I bought the car back as I would know the car beforehand and could oversee the repair to my standard.
Someone will always buy the car if the price is right.
Someone will always buy the car if the price is right.
ATM said:
Two things : You'll be upsetting Julian by parking on the grass like that ...And, you seemed to suggest that the fitment of the 9" wide ? rear wheels to the front of the 996 had proven detrimental to the steering feel ?
If the image above is a true indicator as to the relative ride heights front to rear (the rear looks quite a bit lower than the front in that specific image, I'd suggest a large part of the poor steering feel is down to rake, or more accurately, the lack of it. Get the back up or drop the front down (I'd suggest the former) you may be surprised at the difference, especially if you're running excess front camber allied to the increased wheel width.
This previously posted image gives the impression the rear ride height is similar to the front or lower :
I presume you're not running 255 section tyres on the front wheels ?
LennyM1984 said:
Having spun my old boxster a few times on track (in the wet, hitting standing water mid corner), a high speed spin in a mid or rear engined car can happen pretty quickly. By the time you realise what has happened, it's already too late and you're already quite disoriented.
The "slightly overcooked it" spin is far more progressive but probably not the cause of that many accidents (PSM is pretty good at sorting these out).
I haven't been on the PEC kick plate but I'd guess it is probably far more realistic in terms of the kind of "losing control" you are likely to experience in bad weather
Not really. There is no loading or yawing that you get with any spin. As you say, hitting water in mid corner, you can feel the yaw, feel the load in the suspension before it begins to slide. On the kick plate, you get none of that.The "slightly overcooked it" spin is far more progressive but probably not the cause of that many accidents (PSM is pretty good at sorting these out).
I haven't been on the PEC kick plate but I'd guess it is probably far more realistic in terms of the kind of "losing control" you are likely to experience in bad weather
Having had various front, mid and rear engined cars, its not really like the losing control in bad weather.
Slippydiff said:
And, you seemed to suggest that the fitment of the 9" wide ? rear wheels to the front of the 996 had proven detrimental to the steering feel ?
If the image above is a true indicator as to the relative ride heights front to rear (the rear looks quite a bit lower than the front in that specific image, I'd suggest a large part of the poor steering feel is down to rake, or more accurately, the lack of it. Get the back up or drop the front down (I'd suggest the former) you may be surprised at the difference, especially if you're running excess front camber allied to the increased wheel width.
This previously posted image gives the impression the rear ride height is similar to the front or lower :
I presume you're not running 255 section tyres on the front wheels ?
Yea 255 on front. Was only meant to be temporary as I wanted to try 4 fronts on my 986 which I am now doing. So 4 fronts 986 and 4 rears 996. Once I decide what I am doing with the 986 then these fronts will return to the 996.If the image above is a true indicator as to the relative ride heights front to rear (the rear looks quite a bit lower than the front in that specific image, I'd suggest a large part of the poor steering feel is down to rake, or more accurately, the lack of it. Get the back up or drop the front down (I'd suggest the former) you may be surprised at the difference, especially if you're running excess front camber allied to the increased wheel width.
This previously posted image gives the impression the rear ride height is similar to the front or lower :
I presume you're not running 255 section tyres on the front wheels ?
Does this pic give a better idea of the rake. I bought the car like this. It was previously used a lot for track days until the engine broke.
I think the best steering feel was the 205 tyres with no spacers. Adding 15mm spacers changed the feel as it added weight. Now I have 255 with 15mm spacers so still weighty but duller.
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