6 Cylinder 718 GTS ?

[hixster]

anonymous said:

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[hixster]

anonymous said:

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Have you read what he says? He tells you that they tried to fit it in but couldn't What more do you need.
It's not conflating - its a quote
The words of the head of the Cayman and 911 programme says so vs Cmoose.
I think the evidence is that, you know, there isn't a 6 cylinder turbo in the production Cayman 718.
I know who I believe. You're in denial.

Edited by hixster on Friday 8th February 22:01

[hixster]

anonymous said:

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You're wrong - and that's pretty rich coming from someone who hasn't even read the previous fking post properly.

Edited by hixster on Friday 8th February 22:54

[hixster]

anonymous said:

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it seems you can't read..

Edited by hixster on Friday 8th February 23:19

[hixster]

anonymous said:

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You really are quite stupid aren't you?; In black and white it says "Achleitner revealed" - this means he told the journalist that - He said they examined the idea the idea, but it wouldn't fit in the engine bay. That is what he told the journalist. Not only does he 'reveal this to the journalist' - he also quotes verbatim that is doesn't fit.
You can imagine what you like. Most sane people will take this as read..
The evidence is not on your side.

Edited by hixster on Saturday 9th February 00:02

[hixster]

anonymous said:

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Facts:

1. Cayman 718 engine is a F4 turbo - not F6 turbo

2. Head of Porsche 911 and 718 programme says the F6 turbo wouldn't fit in Cayman.

3. Matthias Hofstetter Porsche AG says they would have to change the car shape to fit the engine in. “We have the same engine compartment as in the 981,” Hofstetter explains. “If we had gone for a six-cylinder engine, we would have had to build a completely different car, and it wouldn’t have looked like a Boxster anymore.”

4. We were facing a complex task,” project leader Jan Roth tells MOTOR.
“Why not a smaller-displacement flat-six? Because now we’re introducing turbocharging across the board, it would have been impossible to package the bigger powerplant. Believe me, it was difficult enough to find space for the flat-four with the related extra intake and exhaust plumbing, not to mention the intercooler assembly. For these reasons alone, a turbo-six was never on our radar.”

5. Marcus Baumann explains how difficult it was to fit the 4 cylinder turbo engine in. https://youtu.be/M_DbYmLYBoE?t=87

CMoose knows better than all of them

Edited by hixster on Saturday 9th February 00:14

[Slippydiff]

Twinfan said:

The mystery Cayman could be a GT4 Touring, and if we'd only seen that I think that's what we'd guess.

The Boxster equivalent is the interesting one as it indicates a new model rather than an option pack.

718 Cayman R anyone

[Pinball]

I guess this would logically fit in the current Porsche lineup as a GT4 Touring inline with the GT3. Personally this would be more attractive to me than the regular GT4 as I’m not a fan of rear wings. That would also mean it’s a manual, although I’d prefer it in PDK.

[dreamcar]

hixster said:

Koln-RS said:

It still won't be 'normally aspirated'

it would - turbo six doesn't fit in the Cayman which is exactly why the 4 is a 'thing'

Which is why IF it happens the return of the F6 won’t happen until 718 replacement arrives. Why go to the expense of design engineering, type approval etc in a model that has probably only a couple of years life left?

[hixster]

dreamcar said:

Which is why IF it happens the return of the F6 won’t happen until 718 replacement arrives. Why go to the expense of design engineering, type approval etc in a model that has probably only a couple of years life left?

But if the engine is ready for the 718 GT4, why not.. it would be similar spec but de-tuned no?

[Twinfan]

Exactly. I'm wondering if there will be a Touring option for the Spyder, which will give it the same roof as a Boxster.

So not two new models, just an option pack on both the GT4 and Spyder.

[Geoff39GL]

Twinfan said:

Exactly. I'm wondering if there will be a Touring option for the Spyder, which will give it the same roof as a Boxster.

So not two new models, just an option pack on both the GT4 and Spyder.

Now a Spyder with a proper roof, that would be a car really worth having, cannot understand the point of the Spyder top.

[bcr5784]

Geoff39GL said:

Now a Spyder with a proper roof, that would be a car really worth having, cannot understand the point of the Spyder top.

I'm not sure a proper roof and camel protruberancies are compatible. (" A camel has a single hump a dromedary two, or is it the other way, I'm never sure are you/" as Ogden Nash would say)

[dreamcar]

anonymous said:

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Exactly - which is why if there is to be a “Boxster or Cayman 6” why on earth go to the expense of re engineering a car whose basic design is 7 years old and will probably be 9 years old by the time it is replaced. Getting very long in the tooth now to be worthwhile investing in major changes. My money is if it is going to happen we’ll see it in 718’s replacement and not before.

[dreamcar]

dreamcar said:

Exactly - which is why if there is to be a “Boxster or Cayman 6” why on earth go to the expense of re engineering a car whose basic design is 7 years old and will probably be 9 years old by the time it is replaced. Getting very long in the tooth now to be worthwhile investing in major changes. My money is if it is going to happen we’ll see it in 718’s replacement and not before.

Think I’m going to have to eat my words above. A team from my dealer went to a 992 introduction event and were told by Porsche representatives that a “718 - 6” will definitely be coming, expected this autumn. Limited production run, around 380bhp. The existing flat four range will continue.

[diffstar]

dreamcar said:

Think I’m going to have to eat my words above. A team from my dealer went to a 992 introduction event and were told by Porsche representatives that a “718 - 6” will definitely be coming, expected this autumn. Limited production run, around 380bhp. The existing flat four range will continue.

Stranger things has happened, but I not sure I see there being a NA non GT 718 when there isn't a NA non GT 911.

Also I think a 6 cyl GT4/Spyder is about as far as the marketing people will let them go with a 718.

A 6 cylinder 718 would likely steal more 911 sales than a GT4/Sypder as it would have a broader customer appeal. Plus the 718 would have as many models the 911 range!

Boxster

Base
T
S
GTS
6
Spyder

Cayman

Base
T
S
GTS
6
GT4

[diffstar]

Twinfan said:

Exactly. I'm wondering if there will be a Touring option for the Spyder, which will give it the same roof as a Boxster.

So not two new models, just an option pack on both the GT4 and Spyder.

This sounds plausible.....

[Twinfan]

diffstar said:

This sounds plausible.....

It did, until I realised that the Touring mules had non-GT wheels and smaller brakes...

[dreamcar]

anonymous said:

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I can only repeat here what the dealer principal and one of the sales guys told me the info about the “very strong official rumour” that they were told at the 992 presentation event...

[dreamcar]

anonymous said:

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I guess from a business perspective fitting the same engine in 718 Six, GT4 and Spyder makes sense. It would be truly great to see a six cylinder engine back in a “normal” 718 variant. Maybe also - I don’t know - sales of flat four cars are flagging, there were four new unsold Boxster and Cayman 718 GTS in the showroom when I was there. I was looking at a speed yellow example when the DP came up to me, asked if it was my 981 BGTS in the car park and said “I might have some good news for you” and proceeded to tell me what they had been told.....