The new 718 Gt4/Spyder are here!
Discussion
23wn_4f2 said:
Dunlop Race Maxx 2 tyres that mine came with. They are rubbish and it's clear to see why the press 718s had Michelins.
Sadly, for as long as I can remember, it's never been possible to specify which of the available tyre brands come fitted to a your Porsche. Apparently not the case in the days of 356s where you could (I am not that old!).I am hoping for cups on my GT4 but it's a lottery.
23wn_4f2 said:
Mine is due at the end of November and am looking for someone who can give a realistic review of the car on the road as well as the track.
So far the only real reviews have been the initial reviews from Knockhill.
I took delivery of my 718 Spyder 5 weeks ago. I have done 500 miles which includes a track day at Anglesey. Everyday driving- the more I drive it, the more I love it. It has good torque low down so you don't have to keep changing gear. After 5,000 the engine sounds and feels amazing and it's very happy to keep pulling you all the way to 8,000 - the sensation is very addictive. The clutch is just right, if a little on the heavy side. I find the roof is quite simple to use now that I'm used to it. So far the only real reviews have been the initial reviews from Knockhill.
On Track, I found the car to be less than anticipated. The front end turn in is exceptional and overall its very well balanced. The gearing is just about right however you do feel caught between gears sometimes and you'll almost always not change down due to the extra torque whereas a PDK will change down. However, there's way way too much understeer in high speed corners. This I suspect is simply down to the Dunlop Race Maxx 2 tyres that mine came with. They are rubbish and it's clear to see why the press 718s had Michelins. Dont know why mine came with those. I suspect customers will swap if theirs come with the Dunlops! Despite the tyres, the potential is clear that this 718 will be a very good track car and very rewarding.
For me, I will do the occasional track day but I feel I'll find this spyder more rewarding as an everyday or weekend car. Its darty and precise and for me, the engine sounds amazing. It's also very practical. It has a much higher ride height than the 981 and rides the speed bumps, potholes etc very well. It also looks amazing which is always a bonus!
Hope this helps.
I AM HOPING MINE COMES ON CUPS THEY WERE A GOOD TYRE ON MY PREVIOUS GT4.
WHAT DID YOUR OPC SAY ABOUT RUNNING IN ? I AM NOT SURE WHAT IS SUGGESTED BEFORE YOU GIVE IT THE BEANS ?
THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR REVIEW.
Edited by Geoff39GL on Saturday 12th October 20:29
THANKS FOR YOUR REVIEW IT SOUNDS AS THOUGH YOU ARE HAPPY WITH IT, DID YOU HAVE THE 981 VERSION ?
I AM HOPING MINE COMES ON CUPS THEY WERE A GOOD TYRE ON MY PREVIOUS GT4.
WHAT DID YOUR OPC SAY ABOUT RUNNING IN ? I AM NOT SURE WHAT IS SUGGESTED BEFORE YOU GIVE IT THE BEANS ?
THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR REVIEW.
I didn't have a 981GT4, but I have driven one on track and remember it being super glued and balanced. I've had a 718 Cayman S and GTS PDKs followrd by a 992S, all of which were tracked. The 718 GTS was a quick car and would probably be only just slower than my Spyder with these dunlops on.
My OPC said they weren't given any specific direction on running-in but to wait at least 100 miles which I did. I know the 991.3 3RS with OPF have an s/w engine limiter which means you have to run the engine in before unleashing it
I AM HOPING MINE COMES ON CUPS THEY WERE A GOOD TYRE ON MY PREVIOUS GT4.
WHAT DID YOUR OPC SAY ABOUT RUNNING IN ? I AM NOT SURE WHAT IS SUGGESTED BEFORE YOU GIVE IT THE BEANS ?
THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR REVIEW.
I didn't have a 981GT4, but I have driven one on track and remember it being super glued and balanced. I've had a 718 Cayman S and GTS PDKs followrd by a 992S, all of which were tracked. The 718 GTS was a quick car and would probably be only just slower than my Spyder with these dunlops on.
My OPC said they weren't given any specific direction on running-in but to wait at least 100 miles which I did. I know the 991.3 3RS with OPF have an s/w engine limiter which means you have to run the engine in before unleashing it
A nice Spyder to avoid second hand, thrashing any car with less than 500 miles on the clock is mental let alone tracking it. Just goes to show how poor Porsche dealerships are with advice like that and I bet if you run into engine issues in the next 1000 miles your OPC will have a little different opinion........I suppose you never thought to look in the manual?
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You are probably right. I know that Porsche manufacturer their cars good to go but some running in period is essential. I'm not confident that every car has been given appropriate running in time due to the low mileage examples out there and I dont hear of many porsche engine failures- each to their own. Still waiting for the manual.
I have no intention of selling my Spyder having waited soo long for it so we'll see what happens after a 1000 miles I guess!
Each to their own ... as it happens partly because all my cars are long term keepers, I run all my new cars in and replace the oil at 1500 miles before my first track day ... and I then change my oil again after the next three track days !
I even change the transmission oil at this point.
Call me excessive, but oil is cheap ...
P.S. Everybody could worry when I come to sell my car because it will be one of the most modified cars out there ... and with reasonable mileage from being used sometimes as a daily ... but in terms of performance it's probably fair to say that it has exceeded both my own and my passengers on circuit expectations ... and yet from an engineering perspective it has been mollycoddled !
I even change the transmission oil at this point.
Call me excessive, but oil is cheap ...
P.S. Everybody could worry when I come to sell my car because it will be one of the most modified cars out there ... and with reasonable mileage from being used sometimes as a daily ... but in terms of performance it's probably fair to say that it has exceeded both my own and my passengers on circuit expectations ... and yet from an engineering perspective it has been mollycoddled !
Edited by ChrisW. on Sunday 13th October 19:16
Mad Scientist said:
How many race engines have you hand built and assembled then pressure tested, leak down tested, bore scoped and dynod after various loads to bed in? I’m only a dabbler so only at about 10.
Running in an engine is an outdated notion. More load earlier on actually encourages ring seal and in my experience you end up with a better lump as a result.
Back to cuckoo land for a beer.
I know this is definitely the best course of action for all diesel engines for all the reasons you say.Having said that i do tend to follow a strict running in procedure for all GT Porsches i buy new. I'm picking up my new GT3 RS either end of the week or next week depending on work commitments. Porsche's running in protocol has changed for the latest RS with a much shorter and less stringent running in advice..I've even heard that the engine's ECU doesn't release full power until a certain mileage has been attained..Running in an engine is an outdated notion. More load earlier on actually encourages ring seal and in my experience you end up with a better lump as a result.
Back to cuckoo land for a beer.
I noticed this on my 991.2GT3 when the engine really woke up after passing about 1200 miles,,Before that the engine felt tight and not as free revving,
Yep amongst many GT Porsches and other stuff owned over the years (npt just 911s) I've had 2 991.1 GT3s and 2 991.2 GT3s 2 of each model were new and 2 used with nominal mileage. The used 991.2 GT3 had been used for short runs.
I can categorically state the difference in the cars that I ran in and those I didn't was quite noticeable and this didn't just relate to the engine as there were differences in gearbox action and transmission smoothness/characteristics too. The car models were of the same batches btw so non of this was down to slight variations in engine etc which applies to the gen1 following modifications.
For me to have a keeper, the cars have to be properly run in no question.
I can categorically state the difference in the cars that I ran in and those I didn't was quite noticeable and this didn't just relate to the engine as there were differences in gearbox action and transmission smoothness/characteristics too. The car models were of the same batches btw so non of this was down to slight variations in engine etc which applies to the gen1 following modifications.
For me to have a keeper, the cars have to be properly run in no question.
JayK12 said:
A friend got an allocation, he has only purchased a 981 cayman s used from the OPC 2 years ago. Supposedly plenty to go around so he has an allocation for next year.
Interesting. I’m thinking about buying a used 981 GT4 to get in on a 718 next year. I contacted every OPC to try and get a 718 (without prior purchase and despite being on a supposed waiting list at my local OPC since 2015) and one has offered a slot for end 2020, but I was hoping to bring that forwards a little.
What do we think overs on 718 will be like given so called expected availability.
av185 said:
Jimbo_vx said:
What do we think overs on 718 will be like given so called expected availability.
Initial flipped good specced 718 GT4s anticipated around £115k.Mad Scientist said:
Who knows is the answer.
Plenty of 981 GT4 went to new customers.
It’s just basic supply and demand, both of which remain unknown at this stage.
Had a circular conversation with my insurer and Porsche Centre. Plenty of 981 GT4 went to new customers.
It’s just basic supply and demand, both of which remain unknown at this stage.
Insurer said early 981 GT4's were typically valued and insured for circa £105-115K. Advised I get a guide price from the PC. The PC said insure for list but ask the insurer for guide on value. Not helpful.
I guess we'll have to wait to see a car at Romans etc and to see how many cars are really available, or not.
130R said:
was offered a slot for 2020 and I have never owned a GT car before (and would be very far from the top of the list at my OPC). So hopefully availability will not be a major problem next year.
Which one was this? I just went into my local one to be told 'we've sold all of our current allocation, try me again in February next year'. Which actually suits me fairly well. I've never bought a porsche before mind. NickUSA said:
Mad Scientist said:
Who knows is the answer.
Plenty of 981 GT4 went to new customers.
It’s just basic supply and demand, both of which remain unknown at this stage.
Had a circular conversation with my insurer and Porsche Centre. Plenty of 981 GT4 went to new customers.
It’s just basic supply and demand, both of which remain unknown at this stage.
Insurer said early 981 GT4's were typically valued and insured for circa £105-115K. Advised I get a guide price from the PC. The PC said insure for list but ask the insurer for guide on value. Not helpful.
I guess we'll have to wait to see a car at Romans etc and to see how many cars are really available, or not.
gashead1105 said:
Which one was this? I just went into my local one to be told 'we've sold all of our current allocation, try me again in February next year'. Which actually suits me fairly well. I've never bought a porsche before mind.
Reading. I think it was Q4 2019 for delivery 2020, but I didn't go any further with it130R said:
gashead1105 said:
Which one was this? I just went into my local one to be told 'we've sold all of our current allocation, try me again in February next year'. Which actually suits me fairly well. I've never bought a porsche before mind.
Reading. I think it was Q4 2019 for delivery 2020, but I didn't go any further with itJimbo_vx said:
Interesting. I’m thinking about buying a used 981 GT4 to get in on a 718 next year.
I contacted every OPC to try and get a 718 (without prior purchase and despite being on a supposed waiting list at my local OPC since 2015) and one has offered a slot for end 2020, but I was hoping to bring that forwards a little.
What do we think overs on 718 will be like given so called expected availability.
Out of curiosity where was this? May try my luck also!I contacted every OPC to try and get a 718 (without prior purchase and despite being on a supposed waiting list at my local OPC since 2015) and one has offered a slot for end 2020, but I was hoping to bring that forwards a little.
What do we think overs on 718 will be like given so called expected availability.
Cheers,
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