The new 718 Gt4/Spyder are here!

[Gonzo0]

There is a video over on rennlist of soul exhausts gt4 with opf delete pipes and standard backbox..... Totally different sound, for the better. I think removing the opfs will be key as they kill so much of the sound.

[2XIPA]

Yes and a lot less expensive.

[RSVP911]

Gonzo0 said:

There is a video over on rennlist of soul exhausts gt4 with opf delete pipes and standard backbox..... Totally different sound, for the better. I think removing the opfs will be key as they kill so much of the sound.

FWIW : JCW basic set up leaves OPF intact and sound is absolutely fine

[coops18]

Did you get anywhere with your complaint? My GT4 has the same graining and I am interested to know if you have got anywhere?

Have other 718 owners got the same issue? It appear to be December 2019 built cars across the 718 range...

911 JOE said:

Hi all,

Obviously I understand that leather is a natural product with natural variations etc... however I just wanted to get peoples thoughts on whether they would consider the level of ‘graining’ on my 718 Spyder’s dashboard to be within an acceptable level of tolerance... I’ve not seen anything like it on a Porsche before... the instrument cluster hood, door tops etc are all the same light grain smooth finish as my 718 GTS and 992 C4S.

Thoughts/feedback very much appreciated - Obviously if I were to pursue a warranty claim then I imagine it would require a complete dashboard removal and replacement...which is the last thing I really want... so I might just live with/accept it as natural feature... what would you do?






Many thanks,
Joe

Edited by 911 JOE on Saturday 21st March 17:31

[Twinfan]

coops18 said:

Did you get anywhere with your complaint? My GT4 has the same graining and I am interested to know if you have got anywhere?

Have other 718 owners got the same issue? It appear to be December 2019 built cars across the 718 range...

My GT4 was a late January/early February build and I have no issues with the leather dashboard. It's smooth and not like the pics above.

[Gonzo0]

First mod done to our GT4 yesterday....



...unplugging the exhaust valves. Made more of a difference than i would of thought, slight increase in pops from the exhaust on overrun, downshifts can be heard more and sounds better across the full rev range. With the valves connected the ECU would be closing and opening the valves at various points in the rev range to keep inline with EU noise regs I assume.

Only downside is there a bit more of a drone at motorway speeds at certain revs but nothing the radio cant drown out

OPF delete pipes I think would be the sweet spot without being too loud by replacing the silencer also.

[TDT]

RSVP911 said:

Gonzo0 said:

There is a video over on rennlist of soul exhausts gt4 with opf delete pipes and standard backbox..... Totally different sound, for the better. I think removing the opfs will be key as they kill so much of the sound.

FWIW : JCW basic set up leaves OPF intact and sound is absolutely fine

They are currently testing out the next phase, which changes out the over axles pipes and removes the OPFs completely.
Not sure if or how, the OPFs are monitored (for EU Cars), and if so how is the monitoring defeated, as JCR have so far stated no tune required and no CEL, and obviously the legality is going to be down to the individual and the jurisdiction you are in.

Good development.

[Porsche911R]

Not ideal running a non legal car.
It maybe even void your insurance.

[Gonzo0]

From doing the valve mod yesterday the OPFs have pre and post sensors so surely some coding/hardware would be needed to tell the ECU all is good with exhaust emissions.

[TDT]

Gonzo0 said:

From doing the valve mod yesterday the OPFs have pre and post sensors so surely some coding/hardware would be needed to tell the ECU all is good with exhaust emissions.

I've learnt a lot of these systems are almost fire and forget, provided there is correct electrical resistance on the end of the wire.
So maybe the same thing applies here.... as if its actually sniffing for particles removing them won't work.

[gtsralph]

Gonzo0 said:

From doing the valve mod yesterday the OPFs have pre and post sensors so surely some coding/hardware would be needed to tell the ECU all is good with exhaust emissions.

That is the pressure differential system so that if it returns an out of range value there will be a CEL. There are stories on German forums that modified BMWs were OK initially but after some miles started throwing CELs.

[RSVP911]

TDT said:

RSVP911 said:

Gonzo0 said:

There is a video over on rennlist of soul exhausts gt4 with opf delete pipes and standard backbox..... Totally different sound, for the better. I think removing the opfs will be key as they kill so much of the sound.

FWIW : JCW basic set up leaves OPF intact and sound is absolutely fine

They are currently testing out the next phase, which changes out the over axles pipes and removes the OPFs completely.
Not sure if or how, the OPFs are monitored (for EU Cars), and if so how is the monitoring defeated, as JCR have so far stated no tune required and no CEL, and obviously the legality is going to be down to the individual and the jurisdiction you are in.

Good development.

Hi T, what's a cel ? (Computer Emergency Light ??)

[bigmowley]

Check Engine Light

[woollyjoe]

I feel the need to highlight what I suspect everyone knows... the OPF / GPF is there for good reason.

Forgetting it is absolutely illegal, will absolutely invalidate your insurance as well as your warranty... with everything that happened with dieselgate, why would anyone feel this is morally a good thing to do.

I don't believe any respectable company will help with a GPF removal.

[Taffy66]

woollyjoe said:

I feel the need to highlight what I suspect everyone knows... the OPF / GPF is there for good reason.

Forgetting it is absolutely illegal, will absolutely invalidate your insurance as well as your warranty... with everything that happened with dieselgate, why would anyone feel this is morally a good thing to do.

I don't believe any respectable company will help with a GPF removal.

^ This 100%.

[Kam 1]

bigmowley said:

RSVP911 said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CAz6uAhFS0n/?igshid=1k...

Good representation of JCR sound on 718 Spyder on the move

Oh dear that does sound rather crisp. You are a very bad man RSVP911.

I do love my Spyder, who wouldn’t in this weather but not for the reasons I expected to when I bought it.
For me it’s just not a Porsche GT car, it’s far to smooth, comfortable and civilized. Doesn’t feel very quick, awful gearing, a bit detached from the driving experience. What it is is a brilliant rag top sports car, for me the best I’ve ever had, it looks sublime, fantastic with the top down, cracking stereo, smooth, comfortable and civilized what the heck is not to like..... oh hang on

So do I spunk the thick end of £5K on a lovely exhaust note, which no doubt makes it a bit more PorscheGT car like. Or enjoy it for what it is and use something else for my more visceral kicks?

First world problems and all that.

I’m the same as you... have done a fair few miles now and been thinking the same.

This is just my opinion - not starting any rows here’s as I know some are super happy with their Spyder - so nothing personal.

I think the Spyders stunning - very pretty - I must have had over 100 people either comment, ask what it is, or stop and talk cars / Porsche. This is up there with the best looking cars and seems everyone of all ages loves it.

Sublime to drive, super smooth - very nice indeed. But that’s the problem - it’s a little too nice, should be quicker, and the gearing is frustrating. The gearing never bothered me on the 981 - I got the complaints from others, but it didn’t fuss me. Yet here it’s more noticeable. I think it’s because to hear anything, to get any real drama - you have to nail it, by which time even in third your 100+ ... in the 981 yeah you had the same gearing, but you still had plenty of noise and drama at lower speeds too, even cruising it had a nice sound. Without it, it’s missing the character of the old one.

Also slightly gutted they didn’t make it faster than the old one. I know it’s probably got the legs on it past 60 but I don’t think there’s much in it. Yes - its not about 0-60, it’s not about times, if you want that buy a turbo etc etc. But come on... they should have upped the anti a bit!! Even 0-60 in 4 would have been a nice improvement (and still kept it well out of reach of the 911 hierarchy!)

Anyhow... to fix the sound issue I have invested in the JCR which is on order. Have heard some brilliant things about it - that it’s a game-changer. And RSVP911 is certainly a happy man now ; )

I’ve also bought a Cargraphics remote valve controller (£390) - using the remote you can select to either have the flaps fully open (always open) or revert to factory controls (Just for early morning starts, can’t piss the neighbours off too much!).. I remember I used to unplug the PSE cable on my old 997 and it was a massive improvement.. Lovely noise.. So this, plus the awesome JCR unit - fingers crossed it’s going reach it’s potential and sound immense..

I did toy with the £5k, its more than I expected for an exhaust fix... But the way I’m looking at it is - I waited 2 years for this car, and for me - it’s not quite right. If this fixes it - then it’s money well spent... And in years to come I didn’t want to look back and think FFS, that Spyder had potential... I should have sorted that exhaust out!

Anyway... RSVP911 - can’t wait to join you on the other side!!

Once it’s all sorted I’ll post a (smaller) review

Cheers

Edited by Kam 1 on Thursday 11th June 12:28

[Kam 1]

And I should apologise for the long post!!

Got carried away!

[Porsche911R]

"Porsche Admits The Cayman GT4’s Gearing Is Too Long"

Speaking with the man in charge of the Porsche 911 and 718 lines, Frank-Steffen Walliser, Which Car asked just why the GT4’s six-speed manual is geared so long.

"The gearbox we have, don’t get me wrong, it’s an old one"

" “We would have loved to have seen the gearing a little bit shorter, but technically there was no way"

their answer = The PDK will not only offer shorter gear ratios than the manual etc etc

shame this cars so close to being a winner, but like all models since 2015 the gearbox is flawed and really not acceptable on a £85k car.

No easy fix either which is a shame on the whole 981 range , S , GTs, GT4's and all the 718's manuals.
No only that now it's 4.0 it not fast due to it being torque limited as the poster above stated "no faster in the real world than the 981 SPyder 3.8"

The car would have been a stunner with a torque free lower ratio box.

ruined the GT4 for me.... in fact the whole 981 range has been disappointing with gen 1 EPS crap also, add in the gearbox issue and the cars pretty flawed product. passable on the 981 GT4 as it listed at £64k !!! unforgivable on the 718 GT cars imho at these much higher prices.

the GTS feels a rip off, but PDK will sort the issue, but make it uninteresting in other ways. but for me I dare to say it, PDK all the way on the new stuff.
A PDK GTS Boxster will be a great daily.

Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 11th June 12:43

[Twinfan]

Interesting comments on the (lack of) noise, and it seems to be more of an issue for Spyder owners here on PH. I get that - with the roof down mostly what you'll hear is wind noise I guess?

I'm still running in my GT4 and I find the more mechanical noises in the cabin quite pleasing in their own way - gearbox whine, gearshift clunks, cage pings, harness rattles, stones hitting the wheelarches, scuffing of brake ducts/front lip etc. I like to crack open the windows a bit to add a touch of exhaust noise to the mix and then it's a really good balance for me.

I did consider getting an exhaust such as the JCR a little while back, but filling up with petrol recently a Lambo Spyder went past the garage twice in quick succession and it was sporting a rather obnoxious exhaust note. I said to myself both times "what a knob" and it's put me right off modifying my car. I don't want to give the public any more reason to think I'm a Porsche driving wker than driving around in a be-winged banana already does!

[homerdog]

Twinfan said:

a Lambo Spyder went past and I said to myself "what a knob"

Whereas I'd have thought "wow, fantastic, sounds like a 90s F1 car!".

Each to their own...