The new 718 Gt4/Spyder are here!
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I did laugh out at your post and I think we’ve all been there and thought the same at some point. But it’s the drive by twice that makes that guy a nob. If it’s a lambo and it didn’t sound like that.. it’s not a proper lambo... Yes little hatchbacks with watermelon exhausts - look terrible and sound s
te. I always think that, as do 99% I’d say.. But then if that’s their budget and they want some fun.. Each to their own.. from 2035 no more new ones. And the way the new Spyder sounds with the emission rules they will be a dying breed... 15 years to make the most of it!
te. I always think that, as do 99% I’d say.. But then if that’s their budget and they want some fun.. Each to their own.. from 2035 no more new ones. And the way the new Spyder sounds with the emission rules they will be a dying breed... 15 years to make the most of it! Porsche911R said:
"Porsche Admits The Cayman GT4’s Gearing Is Too Long"
Speaking with the man in charge of the Porsche 911 and 718 lines, Frank-Steffen Walliser, Which Car asked just why the GT4’s six-speed manual is geared so long.
"The gearbox we have, don’t get me wrong, it’s an old one"
" “We would have loved to have seen the gearing a little bit shorter, but technically there was no way"
their answer = The PDK will not only offer shorter gear ratios than the manual etc etc
shame this cars so close to being a winner, but like all models since 2015 the gearbox is flawed and really not acceptable on a £85k car.
No easy fix either which is a shame on the whole 981 range , S , GTs, GT4's and all the 718's manuals.
No only that now it's 4.0 it not fast due to it being torque limited as the poster above stated "no faster in the real world than the 981 SPyder 3.8"
The car would have been a stunner with a torque free lower ratio box.
ruined the GT4 for me.... in fact the whole 981 range has been disappointing with gen 1 EPS crap also, add in the gearbox issue and the cars pretty flawed product. passable on the 981 GT4 as it listed at £64k !!! unforgivable on the 718 GT cars imho at these much higher prices.
the GTS feels a rip off, but PDK will sort the issue, but make it uninteresting in other ways. but for me I dare to say it, PDK all the way on the new stuff.
A PDK GTS Boxster will be a great daily.
Interesting post and to hear someone from Porsche hold their hands up and admit it’s gearbox failings. I can only talk about the Spyder here but it does feel like they have strangled it and capped it - and the torque limiter explains things. Speaking with the man in charge of the Porsche 911 and 718 lines, Frank-Steffen Walliser, Which Car asked just why the GT4’s six-speed manual is geared so long.
"The gearbox we have, don’t get me wrong, it’s an old one"
" “We would have loved to have seen the gearing a little bit shorter, but technically there was no way"
their answer = The PDK will not only offer shorter gear ratios than the manual etc etc
shame this cars so close to being a winner, but like all models since 2015 the gearbox is flawed and really not acceptable on a £85k car.
No easy fix either which is a shame on the whole 981 range , S , GTs, GT4's and all the 718's manuals.
No only that now it's 4.0 it not fast due to it being torque limited as the poster above stated "no faster in the real world than the 981 SPyder 3.8"
The car would have been a stunner with a torque free lower ratio box.
ruined the GT4 for me.... in fact the whole 981 range has been disappointing with gen 1 EPS crap also, add in the gearbox issue and the cars pretty flawed product. passable on the 981 GT4 as it listed at £64k !!! unforgivable on the 718 GT cars imho at these much higher prices.
the GTS feels a rip off, but PDK will sort the issue, but make it uninteresting in other ways. but for me I dare to say it, PDK all the way on the new stuff.
A PDK GTS Boxster will be a great daily.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 11th June 12:43
If anyone is reading this waiting for their delivery - don’t panic - am being real picky here - because it’s a bloody good car - really good. It just has so much more potential.
The last ones set the bar so high!
Kam 1 said:
Also slightly gutted they didn’t make it faster than the old one. I know it’s probably got the legs on it past 60 but I don’t think there’s much in it. Yes - its not about 0-60, it’s not about times, if you want that buy a turbo etc etc. But come on... they should have upped the anti a bit!! Even 0-60 in 4 would have been a nice improvement (and still kept it well out of reach of the 911 hierarchy!) I should have sorted that exhaust
Cheers
Edited by Kam 1 on Thursday 11th June 12:28
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^ exactly. It's a great car IMHO, and nothing is perfect. Ideally it would have had a new gearbox and a bit more torque, but the current 'box is awesome to use and the car is quick enough so who really cares? It's a road car not a race car, and it's more about feel than outright speed - just like the 981 version was.
If you want faster, break into the piggy bank and buy a GT3. That's how Porsche play the game...
If you want faster, break into the piggy bank and buy a GT3. That's how Porsche play the game...
This is American, so 0-60 figures, not 0-62 (not that it makes all that much difference.. )
But these guys also say:
“The Spyder makes the sprint to 60 mph in 3.8 seconds, which is a couple of ticks behind a Boxster GTS powered by a 365-hp turbocharged flat-four and equipped with the launch-control-enabled dual-clutch automatic transmission. But we're okay with trading stopwatch ticks for experience”
Couple of ticks behind... So a Boxster GTS at 3.6..
That’s GT3 territory?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.caranddriver.co...
But these guys also say:
“The Spyder makes the sprint to 60 mph in 3.8 seconds, which is a couple of ticks behind a Boxster GTS powered by a 365-hp turbocharged flat-four and equipped with the launch-control-enabled dual-clutch automatic transmission. But we're okay with trading stopwatch ticks for experience”
Couple of ticks behind... So a Boxster GTS at 3.6..
That’s GT3 territory?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.caranddriver.co...
Twinfan said:
^ exactly. It's a great car IMHO, and nothing is perfect. Ideally it would have had a new gearbox and a bit more torque, but the current 'box is awesome to use and the car is quick enough so who really cares? It's a road car not a race car, and it's more about feel than outright speed - just like the 981 version was.
If you want faster, break into the piggy bank and buy a GT3. That's how Porsche play the game...
It is in GT3 territory - the one without a roof as noted in the specs above If you want faster, break into the piggy bank and buy a GT3. That's how Porsche play the game...
Twinfan said:
^ exactly. It's a great car IMHO, and nothing is perfect. Ideally it would have had a new gearbox and a bit more torque, but the current 'box is awesome to use and the car is quick enough so who really cares? It's a road car not a race car, and it's more about feel than outright speed - just like the 981 version was.
If you want faster, break into the piggy bank and buy a GT3. That's how Porsche play the game...
if it were a race car the gearing would be ok, but it's a road car and people choose manual to get involved.If you want faster, break into the piggy bank and buy a GT3. That's how Porsche play the game...
no need to be faster, it's about involvement (the act or process of taking part in something) and why I choose manuals, no good buying car you can leave in 3rd !! as it just makes for a dull drive.
the 718 brings nothing to the table as the gearbox was the 981 main disappointment.
yes the 4.0 revs higher but it's so torque limited(same as the 981 torque) its now the same 4.0l displacement as a GT3 but 40NM torque down and longer gearing.
the GT4 RS will be amazing by all accounts.
And on track the PDK GTS models will wee wee over 718 GT cars !!! now that's not right either !
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 11th June 14:57
For me, not one other major car company offers a new car like this - mid engine true manual NASP and convertible - unicorn! Bonus sub 4 secs to 60 if that’s important to you. Corvette finally made a ME car but binned the manual so I guess they could have joined Porsche but cited poor uptake on manual and cost. I suppose like Alpine 110 and Alfa 4C who also could have joined Porsche by ticking the boxes above. That leaves only Porsche willing to put in a manual box, despite having what many call the best automatic paddle shifter in the business. Kudos to Porsche - they still make a “throw back”sports car like this when no other company does. I commend them for it. Yes I would have loved a shorter gear ratio and more HP and torque - perhaps better sound (EU restrictions behind their control) but if they did that - good luck getting an allocation, heck it wasn’t easy getting one for this car - and you better dig deeper into your pockets because it wouldn’t be priced anywhere near this car.
Twinfan said:
Daft? Not at all if you're not treating the road like a race track.
just a trinket for showing off at that point.Don't call black/ white, the gearing is shocking awful on it and past models, worse in your old manual GTS with even less torques.
My golf's in 5th by the time a 981/718 in 3rd ffs. Go try a 458 you might be suprised how short they run the ratio's
Twinfan said:
I couldn't care less about other cars, or what you think, quite frankly.
That's a good job :-) we all buy and keep cars what we like, be daft to buy what some one else likes.I would daily a 981 GT4 atm if it were £55k, still great cars, I just don't agree with the Mag and forum hype on some models, don't make them bad cars,
I would buy a 991.2 T at the right price,(was daft at rrp and overs) but there was only one car in the right spec at Romans and it's the only T which has sold, but £65k was my limit on it.
Some of the models get to a price point nothing comes close. but at retail atm some models have been taking the piss and not the value people say imho.
the 718 GT4 and manual Boxster GTS sit for me at "over priced" 718 Spyder's about the best value and the best current model again imho.
I cannot buy anything now any way have too many cars and need to move some on, but my next car will prob be that Evora GT 410.
better brakes, steering, weight, plus shorter ratio's and performance over the GT4 and £68k for a £110k list car. I need to get it out my system and give one ago, My last 3 modern porkers have been disapointing. (bar the GT3)
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