The new 718 Gt4/Spyder are here!
Discussion
Slippydiff said:
Porsche911R said:
I would buy another 981 GT4 at £50/55k but then thrown £15k at it.
Re-gear £6K ?Exhaust manifolds/cats £3K ?
Ehresmann magic £1K ?
What else ? Manthey suspension at £5K ?
If you’re handy behind the wheel, you’ll break a lot of hearts, in bigger, £/$/€ and even HP metal, lol.
Edited by TDT on Saturday 7th November 15:27
What would be very interesting would be a 981GT4 with £10-15k of mods vs a standard 718GT4 as they would be approximately the same cost at current values. If only an owner of such a car (ChrisW and TDT I’m talking about you) could propose this to a journo who can properly drive that’s something I would love to see.
BubblesNW said:
What would be very interesting would be a 981GT4 with £10-15k of mods vs a standard 718GT4 as they would be approximately the same cost at current values. If only an owner of such a car (ChrisW and TDT I’m talking about you) could propose this to a journo who can properly drive that’s something I would love to see.
But that would be an unfair comparison surely?If you’re modifying one car, mod the other.
MannyLon said:
But that would be an unfair comparison surely?
If you’re modifying one car, mod the other.
I'd say it was a pointless comparison as you've made the cars essentially equal on engine, which is the biggest difference between the standard cars. The chassis hardware is the same across both versions, just the electronic mapping of EPAS and PASM etc is different.If you’re modifying one car, mod the other.
I don't get why folks are trying to make out that one has to be seen as universally "better" than the other, which won't be the case anyway as everyone's opinion is different depending on their own personal preferences.
They're both great cars, and very similar. One is a bit more rough and ready, the other a bit more polished in my own personal opinion. Other opinions are of course available as are more Top Trumps arguments if that's your bag
Twinfan said:
I'd say it was a pointless comparison as you've made the cars essentially equal on engine, which is the biggest difference between the standard cars. The chassis hardware is the same across both versions, just the electronic mapping of EPAS and PASM etc is different.
I don't get why folks are trying to make out that one has to be seen as universally "better" than the other, which won't be the case anyway as everyone's opinion is different depending on their own personal preferences.
They're both great cars, and very similar. One is a bit more rough and ready, the other a bit more polished in my own personal opinion. Other opinions are of course available as are more Top Trumps arguments if that's your bag
Indeed, and of course certain individuals continually talking prices and how the GT4 should be £5 but the GT3 £200000I don't get why folks are trying to make out that one has to be seen as universally "better" than the other, which won't be the case anyway as everyone's opinion is different depending on their own personal preferences.
They're both great cars, and very similar. One is a bit more rough and ready, the other a bit more polished in my own personal opinion. Other opinions are of course available as are more Top Trumps arguments if that's your bag
I had already offered my car to Dan in his original 718 GT4 launch reviews for PH last year.
That was prior to current iteration my car.
Darren’s point is that if you’re an original 981 owner that bought at list or someone that is thinking about a GT4, then a 981 at 65k now or as David says in the future when they are sub 60k for a decent spec clubsport, then for £10-15k can add the type of package the Slippydiff outlined, you’ll have something that has MORE performance (power, braking and handling) than a stock 718 GT4 Manual.
It’s just an alternative..... some people care more about warranty and having the latest version.... some people will like the idea of creating something of their own, especially as the baseline cars are quite close anyway.
Both gen of cars are easy to mod, if that’s what you like..... future will be fun.
That was prior to current iteration my car.
Darren’s point is that if you’re an original 981 owner that bought at list or someone that is thinking about a GT4, then a 981 at 65k now or as David says in the future when they are sub 60k for a decent spec clubsport, then for £10-15k can add the type of package the Slippydiff outlined, you’ll have something that has MORE performance (power, braking and handling) than a stock 718 GT4 Manual.
It’s just an alternative..... some people care more about warranty and having the latest version.... some people will like the idea of creating something of their own, especially as the baseline cars are quite close anyway.
Both gen of cars are easy to mod, if that’s what you like..... future will be fun.
Edited by TDT on Saturday 7th November 18:16
Interesting comparison.
Wondering if those two cars in the test were on the same tyres? And were they the same wear which affects the GT4 steering imo.
My 981 GT4 is on Dunlops my 718 GT4 thankfully arrived on Michelins and yes the steering feels slightly lighter than the 981 and more like the 991.2 GT3 but not quite as direct.
Interesting comments on the gearbox the directness and feel is the same but the clutch weighting is virtually identical on both imo and heavier than the GT3 clutch.
No difference whatsoever in seating positions angles with the Spyder buckets imo.
Suspension feels more compliant on 718 than 981 and the car is quieter overall inside and out as expected.
Engine far stronger on the 718 even just on running in. Seems to be getting slightly louder too even over just 200miles.
The transmission whining at 50ish on a light throttle on the 981 not evident on the 718.
Steel brakes don't squeak (yet!) like the 981!
Wondering if those two cars in the test were on the same tyres? And were they the same wear which affects the GT4 steering imo.
My 981 GT4 is on Dunlops my 718 GT4 thankfully arrived on Michelins and yes the steering feels slightly lighter than the 981 and more like the 991.2 GT3 but not quite as direct.
Interesting comments on the gearbox the directness and feel is the same but the clutch weighting is virtually identical on both imo and heavier than the GT3 clutch.
No difference whatsoever in seating positions angles with the Spyder buckets imo.
Suspension feels more compliant on 718 than 981 and the car is quieter overall inside and out as expected.
Engine far stronger on the 718 even just on running in. Seems to be getting slightly louder too even over just 200miles.
The transmission whining at 50ish on a light throttle on the 981 not evident on the 718.
Steel brakes don't squeak (yet!) like the 981!
av185 said:
Interesting comparison.
Wondering if those two cars in the test were on the same tyres? And were they the same wear which affects the GT4 steering imo.
My 981 GT4 is on Dunlops my 718 GT4 thankfully arrived on Michelins and yes the steering feels slightly lighter than the 981 and more like the 991.2 GT3 but not quite as direct.
Interesting comments on the gearbox the directness and feel is the same but the clutch weighting is virtually identical on both imo and heavier than the GT3 clutch.
No difference whatsoever in seating positions angles with the Spyder buckets imo.
Suspension feels more compliant on 718 than 981 and the car is quieter overall inside and out as expected.
Engine far stronger on the 718 even just on running in. Seems to be getting slightly louder too even over just 200miles.
The transmission whining at 50ish on a light throttle on the 981 not evident on the 718.
Steel brakes don't squeak (yet!) like the 981!
Your observations match mine, which were from memory rather than back-to-back. Give your brakes time, mine squealed a bit after a few miles but have settled down now after more use Wondering if those two cars in the test were on the same tyres? And were they the same wear which affects the GT4 steering imo.
My 981 GT4 is on Dunlops my 718 GT4 thankfully arrived on Michelins and yes the steering feels slightly lighter than the 981 and more like the 991.2 GT3 but not quite as direct.
Interesting comments on the gearbox the directness and feel is the same but the clutch weighting is virtually identical on both imo and heavier than the GT3 clutch.
No difference whatsoever in seating positions angles with the Spyder buckets imo.
Suspension feels more compliant on 718 than 981 and the car is quieter overall inside and out as expected.
Engine far stronger on the 718 even just on running in. Seems to be getting slightly louder too even over just 200miles.
The transmission whining at 50ish on a light throttle on the 981 not evident on the 718.
Steel brakes don't squeak (yet!) like the 981!
The new 4.0 is great, let us know what you think once you've unleashed full revs...
av185 said:
Interesting comparison.
Wondering if those two cars in the test were on the same tyres? And were they the same wear which affects the GT4 steering imo.
My 981 GT4 is on Dunlops my 718 GT4 thankfully arrived on Michelins and yes the steering feels slightly lighter than the 981 and more like the 991.2 GT3 but not quite as direct.
Interesting comments on the gearbox the directness and feel is the same but the clutch weighting is virtually identical on both imo and heavier than the GT3 clutch.
No difference whatsoever in seating positions angles with the Spyder buckets imo.
Suspension feels more compliant on 718 than 981 and the car is quieter overall inside and out as expected.
Engine far stronger on the 718 even just on running in. Seems to be getting slightly louder too even over just 200miles.
The transmission whining at 50ish on a light throttle on the 981 not evident on the 718.
Steel brakes don't squeak (yet!) like the 981!
interesting..my 718GT4 arriving next week.. had a 981 GT4 which I p/xd and have been a bit unsure if I did the right thing, but having spoken to a few other owners who did the same, on track days, they also felt the engine was way better, / and the car definitely gets louder., and handled just aswell if not better.. no one made any comments about steering difference? ( Wanted a clubsport too.. which I now have.) Wondering if those two cars in the test were on the same tyres? And were they the same wear which affects the GT4 steering imo.
My 981 GT4 is on Dunlops my 718 GT4 thankfully arrived on Michelins and yes the steering feels slightly lighter than the 981 and more like the 991.2 GT3 but not quite as direct.
Interesting comments on the gearbox the directness and feel is the same but the clutch weighting is virtually identical on both imo and heavier than the GT3 clutch.
No difference whatsoever in seating positions angles with the Spyder buckets imo.
Suspension feels more compliant on 718 than 981 and the car is quieter overall inside and out as expected.
Engine far stronger on the 718 even just on running in. Seems to be getting slightly louder too even over just 200miles.
The transmission whining at 50ish on a light throttle on the 981 not evident on the 718.
Steel brakes don't squeak (yet!) like the 981!
Twinfan said:
Your observations match mine, which were from memory rather than back-to-back. Give your brakes time, mine squealed a bit after a few miles but have settled down now after more use
The new 4.0 is great, let us know what you think once you've unleashed full revs...
how long did you leave it before you gave it full revs? 500/1000?The new 4.0 is great, let us know what you think once you've unleashed full revs...
Twinfan said:
av185 said:
Interesting comparison.
Wondering if those two cars in the test were on the same tyres? And were they the same wear which affects the GT4 steering imo.
My 981 GT4 is on Dunlops my 718 GT4 thankfully arrived on Michelins and yes the steering feels slightly lighter than the 981 and more like the 991.2 GT3 but not quite as direct.
Interesting comments on the gearbox the directness and feel is the same but the clutch weighting is virtually identical on both imo and heavier than the GT3 clutch.
No difference whatsoever in seating positions angles with the Spyder buckets imo.
Suspension feels more compliant on 718 than 981 and the car is quieter overall inside and out as expected.
Engine far stronger on the 718 even just on running in. Seems to be getting slightly louder too even over just 200miles.
The transmission whining at 50ish on a light throttle on the 981 not evident on the 718.
Steel brakes don't squeak (yet!) like the 981!
Your observations match mine, which were from memory rather than back-to-back. Give your brakes time, mine squealed a bit after a few miles but have settled down now after more use Wondering if those two cars in the test were on the same tyres? And were they the same wear which affects the GT4 steering imo.
My 981 GT4 is on Dunlops my 718 GT4 thankfully arrived on Michelins and yes the steering feels slightly lighter than the 981 and more like the 991.2 GT3 but not quite as direct.
Interesting comments on the gearbox the directness and feel is the same but the clutch weighting is virtually identical on both imo and heavier than the GT3 clutch.
No difference whatsoever in seating positions angles with the Spyder buckets imo.
Suspension feels more compliant on 718 than 981 and the car is quieter overall inside and out as expected.
Engine far stronger on the 718 even just on running in. Seems to be getting slightly louder too even over just 200miles.
The transmission whining at 50ish on a light throttle on the 981 not evident on the 718.
Steel brakes don't squeak (yet!) like the 981!
The new 4.0 is great, let us know what you think once you've unleashed full revs...
After a couple of drives into the Dales this weekend some more thoughts on the new GT4
Engine warm up very rapid compared to the 981. Much like the GT3. Seems to run at higher oil and water temp than 981 too. Hopefully this will translate to much better economy although I will never run the car on stop start so 3 cylinder mode will never be activated aiding economy. A 3 cylinder Porsche is a no no lol.
Mich Cups coped well with standing water in Monsoon like conditions through Derbyshire and M60 last Tuesday. Air temp was around 10 degrees however. Quite obvious sub 7 degrees they may not cope so well.
718 whilst 80kg heavier than the 981 actually feels the lighter more 'fleet of foot' car of the two thus far. Whether this is down to the tyres and engine differences is difficult to assess at this early stage but clearly the suspension differences between the cars is influential. The car is remarkably compliant and unsurprisingly has character traits similar to the gen 2 GT3. I would say the suspension is quieter than the 981 and less 'clunky' over medium bumps.
Interesting the way Porsche has gone with the 718 GT4 dna. Whilst the 991.2 GT3 is more hardcore than the 991.1, with greater engine intrusion noise (thankfully), particularly induction (which the 718 could well redeem itself to make up for the inferior exhaust sound v the 981 largely due to gpfs), and much less sound deadening to reduce weight, as we know they have generally made the 718 GT4 more civilised and usable compared with the 981 GT4.
I would suggest a good comparison of these cars would be the morphing of the 997 GT3 into the 991.1 GT3 is very similar to the difference and morphing between the 981 GT4 and 718 GT4 on many levels (obvs GT3 manual/pdk s gearbox differences ignored) particularly with regard to engine, increased 'bandwidth' and overall increased usability.
718 promises to be a great package especially at the money ££.
Edited by av185 on Sunday 8th November 20:35
Rojibo said:
Looking good!
Hating the fact everyone is out enjoying the last few sunny days of the year, with double figure temps while I just sit waiting for mine to board the ship
... at least it gave me time to get my garage floor painted.
What’s the latest?Hating the fact everyone is out enjoying the last few sunny days of the year, with double figure temps while I just sit waiting for mine to board the ship
... at least it gave me time to get my garage floor painted. Is it at a dealer getting checked?
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