The new 718 Gt4/Spyder are here!

[bigmowley]

av185 said:

kmpowell said:

Interesting comments re PDK. I'd set my heart on PDK, but then I had a conversation with my finance broker today re specs I was considering and he advised that a Manual will be a better choice (unless I had a specific want/need for PDK) due to the underwriters all projecting/predicting a GT4 being significantly more desirable in manual form and they're underwriting accordingly.

As a bonus, if I spec buckets, the finance interest projections don't move, so they are now on my list and I'm still tinkering...

http://www.porsche-code.com/PNMSR661

Edited by kmpowell on Tuesday 17th August 17:18

Interesting projections on the manual especially as the PDK GT4 is and will be far rarer. 991.2 GT3 commands a greater premium than the PDK despite virtual parity on manuf numbers reflecting those who bought manuals have kept their cars.

Reflects most second hand buyers want manual gearbox focused drivers cars in an increasing diluted and auto gearbox world.

Edited that for you!

[julian987R]

kmpowell said:

Interesting comments re PDK. I'd set my heart on PDK, but then I had a conversation with my finance broker today re specs I was considering and he advised that a Manual will be a better choice (unless I had a specific want/need for PDK) due to the underwriters all projecting/predicting a GT4 being significantly more desirable in manual form and they're underwriting accordingly.

As a bonus, if I spec buckets, the finance interest projections don't move, so they are now on my list and I'm still tinkering...

http://www.porsche-code.com/PNMSR661

Edited by kmpowell on Tuesday 17th August 17:18

I find that spec a bit confusing. Grey stitch, grey door pulls, yet red seat belts. Plus the gold with red brakes is a bit odd. Hey go for it, but it is not very cohesive in my opinion. And if you are going for it, at least get the Headlight cleaning system covers painted as otherwise they stick out like sore thumbs.

[AdamGT4]

av185 said:

kmpowell said:

Interesting comments re PDK. I'd set my heart on PDK, but then I had a conversation with my finance broker today re specs I was considering and he advised that a Manual will be a better choice (unless I had a specific want/need for PDK) due to the underwriters all projecting/predicting a GT4 being significantly more desirable in manual form and they're underwriting accordingly.

As a bonus, if I spec buckets, the finance interest projections don't move, so they are now on my list and I'm still tinkering...

http://www.porsche-code.com/PNMSR661

Edited by kmpowell on Tuesday 17th August 17:18

Interesting projections on the manual especially as the PDK GT4 is and will be far rarer. 991.2 GT3 commands a greater premium than the PDK despite virtual parity on manuf numbers reflecting those who bought manuals have kept their cars.

Reflects most want manual gearbox focused drivers cars in an increasing diluted and auto gearbox world.

Very interesting! As in regards to Porsche finance the only option that affects the balloon is PDK. It adds the cost of the PDK option to the balloon vs manual.

[mikey k]

Gio G said:

Interesting comments from PDK owners and clearly a very personal choice. I would only ever want an auto equivalent if the manual was not up to the job. The manual in the GT4 IMHO is the best out there.. I own an S2000 and I thought there was not a gear change that could better it until I got my GT4

PDK is an option in pretty much everything in the Porsche line up and it is an awesome gearbox, certainly one of the best, however the manual in the GT4 is just so sweet - part of making the car so special for me.

At least we have the option and Porsche should be celebrated for that...

G

I had 5 S2000's including a 425BHP supercharged one.
Never found a better manual shift





Until I drove and bought my 718 Spyder
Very similar cars, purose of design, ergonomics, even the engine loves to reved right out!

I contemplated an "upgraded" to a PDK and secured a slot after much work.
Took my manual for a decent run and decide to back out of it a PDK.
Decided what I need is a convertible GT car to go along side the Spyder

[HokumPokum]

I suppose you are not frustrated with lack of shifting on that sweet gearbox. That's what I thought when I had my 981 GT4. revving to the redline was quite hard to do on the road and coupled with solid firm brakes made heel and toe more difficult than it needs to be. All these issues only disappeared on track. well, on track, there were other issues like making sure the shifting was done before turn in and sequentially to prevent inadvertent "money" shifts.

I'm a little spoilt because i have a 997.2 Rs as comparison (with it's shorter gearing). Although the gt4 gearshift is sweeter, I feel for road use, it does suffer from excessive gearing. Anyways, I'm not the first nor am I the last to say this. Apparently the PDK shorter gearing doesn't alleviate the redline issue (since it is still long) but at least I won't be shifting. Also, I'm a sucker for race track to road use transferrance and the 981/982 clubsports PDK is the same as the 718 unit so I'm trying out the PDK unit. Apparently the diff is tighter as well.It is a heavier unit.. Can't have everything.

[av185]

In practice theres no major difference between manual and PDK GT4 speeds in the gears e.g 2nd gear PDK 79 manual 84. 3rd gear 108 v 114 mph.

[Twinfan]

av185 said:

In practice theres no major difference between manual and PDK GT4 speeds in the gears e.g 2nd gear PDK 79 manual 84. 3rd gear 108 v 114 mph.

Don't be daft dude, don't you read the internets? They're night and day different!

[av185]

Twinfan said:

av185 said:

In practice theres no major difference between manual and PDK GT4 speeds in the gears e.g 2nd gear PDK 79 manual 84. 3rd gear 108 v 114 mph.

Don't be daft dude, don't you read the internets? They're night and day different!

Yep got to love all the Walter Rohrl wannabees who seriously think it makes a huge difference merely because they read it on the internet where folklore is always the gospel.

[Romo]

Today I went to the NS with some friends of mine, a 2018 GT3 PDK, a 2020 718 Spyder manual, and mine 2021 718 GT4 PDK.

It was very busy on the BAB, but on some stretches we could let the cars do what they are built for. The car pulls really good to max RPM, the PDK is a blast to drive.

To my surprise and also the Spyder driver; high speed driving on bumpy tarmac does feel a little odd, the car does not feel unstable, but not very road compliant, not as planted for the tarmac as I would have expected. It's really a shake ride.

The GT3 driver however did not feel that at all. So we concluded the GT3 is better suited for bumpy stretches than the 718 Spyder / GT. These cars do like new, flat tarmac far more better.

I must say; the German BAB is not what it used to be, bad road conditions overall IMHO.

[Joscal]

Romo said:

Today I went to the NS with some friends of mine, a 2018 GT3 PDK, a 2020 718 Spyder manual, and mine 2021 718 GT4 PDK.

It was very busy on the BAB, but on some stretches we could let the cars do what they are built for. The car pulls really good to max RPM, the PDK is a blast to drive.

To my surprise and also the Spyder driver; high speed driving on bumpy tarmac does feel a little odd, the car does not feel unstable, but not very road compliant, not as planted for the tarmac as I would have expected. It's really a shake ride.

The GT3 driver however did not feel that at all. So we concluded the GT3 is better suited for bumpy stretches than the 718 Spyder / GT. These cars do like new, flat tarmac far more better.

I must say; the German BAB is not what it used to be, bad road conditions overall IMHO.

That’s really interesting I thought I was the only one, the roads around me are terrible and I just couldn’t get on with mine. I wonder if a proper alignment might help?

I expected it to be firm but I wasn’t prepared for the lack of compliance as you say. It felt like it could throw me off the road if I wasn’t careful ..never felt that in a car before.

[Romo]

It was really hard work on high speed driving, the steering, the corrections, it felt somewhat uneasy to me

My M2CS is far more relaxed on high speed driving, I never expected the GT4 would behave like that.

Have to say I was alone in the car, and soft setting on dampers.

[gtsralph]

Question, do you let the car move under you or mostly try to correct the car’s line over undulations?

[130R]

Joscal said:

Romo said:

Today I went to the NS with some friends of mine, a 2018 GT3 PDK, a 2020 718 Spyder manual, and mine 2021 718 GT4 PDK.

It was very busy on the BAB, but on some stretches we could let the cars do what they are built for. The car pulls really good to max RPM, the PDK is a blast to drive.

To my surprise and also the Spyder driver; high speed driving on bumpy tarmac does feel a little odd, the car does not feel unstable, but not very road compliant, not as planted for the tarmac as I would have expected. It's really a shake ride.

The GT3 driver however did not feel that at all. So we concluded the GT3 is better suited for bumpy stretches than the 718 Spyder / GT. These cars do like new, flat tarmac far more better.

I must say; the German BAB is not what it used to be, bad road conditions overall IMHO.

That’s really interesting I thought I was the only one, the roads around me are terrible and I just couldn’t get on with mine. I wonder if a proper alignment might help?

I expected it to be firm but I wasn’t prepared for the lack of compliance as you say. It felt like it could throw me off the road if I wasn’t careful ..never felt that in a car before.

I know it's a different suspension setup but I actually had the same experience with my GTS when it was new (standard -20mm suspension). It felt all over the place over bumpy surfaces at speed or under hard acceleration. However that feeling went away after a few thousand miles and it feels very stable now (currently at 3.5k). That could just be because I have got used to it but I think it really does need a bit of running in.

[Romo]

gtsralph said:

Question, do you let the car move under you or mostly try to correct the car’s line over undulations?

I don`t know exactly if I understand this question correctly;

At low and moderate speeds, I would say til about 200km/h the car feels rock solid, but pushing onwards, and bad tarmac, the car feels uneasy, bumpy, not compliant. Therefore you need to correct more. Of course it al starts when the car is moving under me, and then I have to make corrections.

If the car starts to move, it does not automaticaly correct itself, you have to make gentle steering corrections

As I said; the BAB was on some places in very bad conditions, maybe I'm a little biased on expectations GT4 road behavior

But some PH members also experienced the same, as did my friend with his 718 Spyder

[Romo]

130R said:

Joscal said:

Romo said:

Today I went to the NS with some friends of mine, a 2018 GT3 PDK, a 2020 718 Spyder manual, and mine 2021 718 GT4 PDK.

It was very busy on the BAB, but on some stretches we could let the cars do what they are built for. The car pulls really good to max RPM, the PDK is a blast to drive.

To my surprise and also the Spyder driver; high speed driving on bumpy tarmac does feel a little odd, the car does not feel unstable, but not very road compliant, not as planted for the tarmac as I would have expected. It's really a shake ride.

The GT3 driver however did not feel that at all. So we concluded the GT3 is better suited for bumpy stretches than the 718 Spyder / GT. These cars do like new, flat tarmac far more better.

I must say; the German BAB is not what it used to be, bad road conditions overall IMHO.

That’s really interesting I thought I was the only one, the roads around me are terrible and I just couldn’t get on with mine. I wonder if a proper alignment might help?

I expected it to be firm but I wasn’t prepared for the lack of compliance as you say. It felt like it could throw me off the road if I wasn’t careful ..never felt that in a car before.

I know it's a different suspension setup but I actually had the same experience with my GTS when it was new (standard -20mm suspension). It felt all over the place over bumpy surfaces at speed or under hard acceleration. However that feeling went away after a few thousand miles and it feels very stable now (currently at 3.5k). That could just be because I have got used to it but I think it really does need a bit of running in.

My car has now over 4200 km, so the running in should be completed I would say.

[kmpowell]

julian987R said:

I find that spec a bit confusing. Grey stitch, grey door pulls, yet red seat belts.

Thanks. Just to pick this comment up. I'd like splash of colour in the cabin to compliment the red callipers, so I was thinking the red belts with the red 12 o'clock band would do that. I'm not wanting full red stitching, but I do want the leather dash, hence having to go for the silver stitch pack. Sure the belts and door pulls don't match, but that's the only thing. I'll tick the silver/grey belt option instead of red if it's going to be that much of an issue? This is my first Porsche so I don't want to break any cardinal rules!

[daro911]

kmpowell said:

julian987R said:

I find that spec a bit confusing. Grey stitch, grey door pulls, yet red seat belts.

Thanks. Just to pick this comment up. I'd like splash of colour in the cabin to compliment the red callipers, so I was thinking the red belts with the red 12 o'clock band would do that. I'm not wanting full red stitching, but I do want the leather dash, hence having to go for the silver stitch pack. Sure the belts and door pulls don't match, but that's the only thing. I'll tick the silver/grey belt option instead of red if it's going to be that much of an issue? This is my first Porsche so I don't want to break any cardinal rules!

Grey Stitch Grey Door Pulls Red Belts this is what it looks like:-

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202106284...

[Jefferson Steelflex]

kmpowell said:

Thanks. Just to pick this comment up. I'd like splash of colour in the cabin to compliment the red callipers, so I was thinking the red belts with the red 12 o'clock band would do that. I'm not wanting full red stitching, but I do want the leather dash, hence having to go for the silver stitch pack. Sure the belts and door pulls don't match, but that's the only thing. I'll tick the silver/grey belt option instead of red if it's going to be that much of an issue? This is my first Porsche so I don't want to break any cardinal rules!

You’ll find my old Spyder advertised at Redline for a stupid price right now, but i did the same thing and spec’d silver stitch with red seatbelts and adornments, and it looked class. Have a look at the pics, it works really well.

[av185]

Romo said:

Today I went to the NS with some friends of mine, a 2018 GT3 PDK, a 2020 718 Spyder manual, and mine 2021 718 GT4 PDK.

It was very busy on the BAB, but on some stretches we could let the cars do what they are built for. The car pulls really good to max RPM, the PDK is a blast to drive.

To my surprise and also the Spyder driver; high speed driving on bumpy tarmac does feel a little odd, the car does not feel unstable, but not very road compliant, not as planted for the tarmac as I would have expected. It's really a shake ride.

The GT3 driver however did not feel that at all. So we concluded the GT3 is better suited for bumpy stretches than the 718 Spyder / GT. These cars do like new, flat tarmac far more better.

I must say; the German BAB is not what it used to be, bad road conditions overall IMHO.

Would agree the 991.2 GT3 has a far more compliant ride than the 718 GT4 on poor and undulating road surfaces.

Same with the 991.1 GT3 and 981 GT4.

[kmpowell]

daro911 said:

Grey Stitch Grey Door Pulls Red Belts this is what it looks like:-

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202106284...

Jefferson Steelflex said:

You’ll find my old Spyder advertised at Redline for a stupid price right now, but i did the same thing and spec’d silver stitch with red seatbelts and adornments, and it looked class. Have a look at the pics, it works really well.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202108126...

Thanks both, decision made, red belts and red 12'o'clock it is, I think it contrasts well with the red callipers.

http://www.porsche-code.com/PN8VXGC7

Now to decide on PDK v Manual and whether I stump up for the buckets or not....

Edited by kmpowell on Sunday 22 August 12:35