The new 718 Gt4/Spyder are here!
Discussion
arcamalpha said:
Thanks. Good to know. I won’t rush to swap the tyres then. There certainly are a big range of noises and many of them good! It’s the noisiest car I’ve had and my expectations where set with previous cars including gt3s and a 981 gt4.
No worries. I'd only swap for better all round weather use rather than for reduced road noise 
Both are superb tyres
MPorsche said:
That must be one of the most over valued ones I’ve seen in a while
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
That £103k price change today has to be an error, surely.https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Cayman-GT4...
It's been for sale for c£89k for several weeks on both the Porsche website and the JCT600 site. Here's the Google cache
Edited by kmpowell on Monday 23 August 15:40
BlackWidow13 said:
The second one does seem punchily priced.
Both have the clubsport pack but neither has harnesses or the extinguisher fitted. Whoever buys them, if they have their wits about them, will want to ensure the necessary bits are supplied with the car.
The black one being collected…Both have the clubsport pack but neither has harnesses or the extinguisher fitted. Whoever buys them, if they have their wits about them, will want to ensure the necessary bits are supplied with the car.
https://youtu.be/X70Nn7-wKEk
Romo said:
av185 said:
Romo said:
Today I went to the NS with some friends of mine, a 2018 GT3 PDK, a 2020 718 Spyder manual, and mine 2021 718 GT4 PDK.
It was very busy on the BAB, but on some stretches we could let the cars do what they are built for. The car pulls really good to max RPM, the PDK is a blast to drive.
To my surprise and also the Spyder driver; high speed driving on bumpy tarmac does feel a little odd, the car does not feel unstable, but not very road compliant, not as planted for the tarmac as I would have expected. It's really a shake ride.
The GT3 driver however did not feel that at all. So we concluded the GT3 is better suited for bumpy stretches than the 718 Spyder / GT. These cars do like new, flat tarmac far more better.
I must say; the German BAB is not what it used to be, bad road conditions overall IMHO.
Would agree the 991.2 GT3 has a far more compliant ride than the 718 GT4 on poor and undulating road surfaces.It was very busy on the BAB, but on some stretches we could let the cars do what they are built for. The car pulls really good to max RPM, the PDK is a blast to drive.
To my surprise and also the Spyder driver; high speed driving on bumpy tarmac does feel a little odd, the car does not feel unstable, but not very road compliant, not as planted for the tarmac as I would have expected. It's really a shake ride.
The GT3 driver however did not feel that at all. So we concluded the GT3 is better suited for bumpy stretches than the 718 Spyder / GT. These cars do like new, flat tarmac far more better.
I must say; the German BAB is not what it used to be, bad road conditions overall IMHO.
Same with the 991.1 GT3 and 981 GT4.
It confirms my thoughts that the 718 Spyder/GT4 are not high speed, autobahn, racing cars, but better int their habitat on B roads.
More the nature of the car I guess, a go kart is not for high speed driving, it is for steering, like the B road in the Eifel, there is its natural habitat, there is where it is shining.
Any alignment changes since collection or still factory spec.? I'm factory but seems reasonably good - Swiss perfectionism may have something to do with this ...
Finally run in my 718 Spyder and started to "use" it on my favourite mid Wales routes.
I'm finding even with the dampers in the softest setting the front end is darting around on the rougher roads.
Now I like a pointy quick front end but not one I have to fight and lose confidence in.
Stock factory car.
Do we think a decent geometry would help?
If so who is best?
I'm finding even with the dampers in the softest setting the front end is darting around on the rougher roads.
Now I like a pointy quick front end but not one I have to fight and lose confidence in.
Stock factory car.
Do we think a decent geometry would help?
If so who is best?
mikey k said:
Finally run in my 718 Spyder and started to "use" it on my favourite mid Wales routes.
I'm finding even with the dampers in the softest setting the front end is darting around on the rougher roads.
Now I like a pointy quick front end but not one I have to fight and lose confidence in.
Stock factory car.
Do we think a decent geometry would help?
If so who is best?
Put it this way, a good geometry set-up will never hurt, so may be worthwhile getting it checked and set anyway. I've not noticed any major issues (I get more tramlining in the GT-R, with her wider front tyres) so it could be either a bad surface with tramlines or bad geometry. Cup 2s can be worse for this due to their tread pattern (or relative lack, thereof).I'm finding even with the dampers in the softest setting the front end is darting around on the rougher roads.
Now I like a pointy quick front end but not one I have to fight and lose confidence in.
Stock factory car.
Do we think a decent geometry would help?
If so who is best?
As for where to go, I cannot recommend a place as I do not live in the UK (though people have commented about places on threads), but I think that people have mentioned places like 9e (nineexcellence) and, I think, R-Spec.
Post up your approximate location and people can probably point you to your nearest geo-specialist.
mikey k said:
Finally run in my 718 Spyder and started to "use" it on my favourite mid Wales routes.
I'm finding even with the dampers in the softest setting the front end is darting around on the rougher roads.
Now I like a pointy quick front end but not one I have to fight and lose confidence in.
Stock factory car.
Do we think a decent geometry would help?
If so who is best?
Center Gravity in Warwickshire are fabulous! I wouldn’t go anywhere else!I'm finding even with the dampers in the softest setting the front end is darting around on the rougher roads.
Now I like a pointy quick front end but not one I have to fight and lose confidence in.
Stock factory car.
Do we think a decent geometry would help?
If so who is best?
T
Tarka said:
mikey k said:
Finally run in my 718 Spyder and started to "use" it on my favourite mid Wales routes.
I'm finding even with the dampers in the softest setting the front end is darting around on the rougher roads.
Now I like a pointy quick front end but not one I have to fight and lose confidence in.
Stock factory car.
Do we think a decent geometry would help?
If so who is best?
Center Gravity in Warwickshire are fabulous! I wouldn’t go anywhere else!I'm finding even with the dampers in the softest setting the front end is darting around on the rougher roads.
Now I like a pointy quick front end but not one I have to fight and lose confidence in.
Stock factory car.
Do we think a decent geometry would help?
If so who is best?
T
https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/servicing/porsche-geometr...
they seem to have a state of the art offering on this. Anyone tried them for geometry?
julian987R said:
Tarka said:
mikey k said:
Finally run in my 718 Spyder and started to "use" it on my favourite mid Wales routes.
I'm finding even with the dampers in the softest setting the front end is darting around on the rougher roads.
Now I like a pointy quick front end but not one I have to fight and lose confidence in.
Stock factory car.
Do we think a decent geometry would help?
If so who is best?
Center Gravity in Warwickshire are fabulous! I wouldn’t go anywhere else!I'm finding even with the dampers in the softest setting the front end is darting around on the rougher roads.
Now I like a pointy quick front end but not one I have to fight and lose confidence in.
Stock factory car.
Do we think a decent geometry would help?
If so who is best?
T
https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/servicing/porsche-geometr...
they seem to have a state of the art offering on this. Anyone tried them for geometry?
As a general comment… Having the kit is not equal to getting a good set up.
Knowledge and experience is most important, the kit is a tool… and you can still cock it up.
Edited by TDT on Wednesday 1st September 08:35
julian987R said:
but what of RPM
https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/servicing/porsche-geometr...
they seem to have a state of the art offering on this. Anyone tried them for geometry?
Yes I used them for my GT3. OPC geometry was woeful even after 2 attempts so I got RPM to set it up and it improved the car no end. https://rpmtechnik.co.uk/servicing/porsche-geometr...
they seem to have a state of the art offering on this. Anyone tried them for geometry?
I took my Turbo S to Centre Gravity recently and they were night and day better. Wanted to know my driving style, how I wanted the car to feel and really got under the skin of what I wanted from the gel. Longer trip for me but it’s where I’d be heading.
Shiverman said:
Yes I used them for my GT3. OPC geometry was woeful even after 2 attempts so I got RPM to set it up and it improved the car no end.
I took my Turbo S to Centre Gravity recently and they were night and day better. Wanted to know my driving style, how I wanted the car to feel and really got under the skin of what I wanted from the gel. Longer trip for me but it’s where I’d be heading.
Good to know. I do hear very good things about Centre Gravity.I took my Turbo S to Centre Gravity recently and they were night and day better. Wanted to know my driving style, how I wanted the car to feel and really got under the skin of what I wanted from the gel. Longer trip for me but it’s where I’d be heading.
G
Tarka said:
mikey k said:
Finally run in my 718 Spyder and started to "use" it on my favourite mid Wales routes.
I'm finding even with the dampers in the softest setting the front end is darting around on the rougher roads.
Now I like a pointy quick front end but not one I have to fight and lose confidence in.
Stock factory car.
Do we think a decent geometry would help?
If so who is best?
Center Gravity in Warwickshire are fabulous! I wouldn’t go anywhere else!I'm finding even with the dampers in the softest setting the front end is darting around on the rougher roads.
Now I like a pointy quick front end but not one I have to fight and lose confidence in.
Stock factory car.
Do we think a decent geometry would help?
If so who is best?
T
I'll give him a call.
MPorsche said:
What exhaust systems does everyone have on here? I imagine JCR to be popular, anyone done anything else?
RSV911P has a Spyder with a JCR silencer, Mannylon has a BC Fabs silencer in stainless steel (I think) plus Kline headers and I have a Ninemeister silencer in inconel. There are other posts in the Boxster/Cayman section about them. Not sure if anyone has anything else, those are the ones I remember off the top of my head.
Twinfan said:
RSV911P has a Spyder with a JCR silencer, Mannylon has a BC Fabs silencer in stainless steel (I think) plus Kline headers and I have a Ninemeister silencer in inconel. There are other posts in the Boxster/Cayman section about them.
Not sure if anyone has anything else, those are the ones I remember off the top of my head.
How much was the Ninemister silencer? Has it improved the sound much vs the cost?Not sure if anyone has anything else, those are the ones I remember off the top of my head.
MPorsche said:
How much was the Ninemister silencer? Has it improved the sound much vs the cost?
You'd need to speak to Pete there about the exact cost, mine was the development car so I got a deal on it. I seem to think it's around £2500-ish for Stainless Steel and £4000-ish for inconel.It's pretty different in looks and sound to the OEM silencer, but as with most (all?) aftermarket silencers for these cars there is some drone between 2k-3k revs. JCR claim there is zero drone with their offering if it's something that might bother you. It's only a slight annoyance at low speed town driving etc so more of a consideration for a car that's used daily (unlike mine).
In my experience it's hugely changed the character of the car and I love it. It's not so much the extra volume, of which there is some, but it's more the character of the note it now produces which is such an improvement. As standard, there's so little exhaust noise and tone it's very uninspiring but it's great for low volume track days if you're a track rat.
Twinfan said:
You'd need to speak to Pete there about the exact cost, mine was the development car so I got a deal on it. I seem to think it's around £2500-ish for Stainless Steel and £4000-ish for inconel.
It's pretty different in looks and sound to the OEM silencer, but as with most (all?) aftermarket silencers for these cars there is some drone between 2k-3k revs. JCR claim there is zero drone with their offering if it's something that might bother you. It's only a slight annoyance at low speed town driving etc so more of a consideration for a car that's used daily (unlike mine).
In my experience it's hugely changed the character of the car and I love it. It's not so much the extra volume, of which there is some, but it's more the character of the note it now produces which is such an improvement. As standard, there's so little exhaust noise and tone it's very uninspiring but it's great for low volume track days if you're a track rat.
Out of interest, how do Porsche OPC's react to say an aftermarket exhaust if you are going in to have work done under warranty? Any issues?It's pretty different in looks and sound to the OEM silencer, but as with most (all?) aftermarket silencers for these cars there is some drone between 2k-3k revs. JCR claim there is zero drone with their offering if it's something that might bother you. It's only a slight annoyance at low speed town driving etc so more of a consideration for a car that's used daily (unlike mine).
In my experience it's hugely changed the character of the car and I love it. It's not so much the extra volume, of which there is some, but it's more the character of the note it now produces which is such an improvement. As standard, there's so little exhaust noise and tone it's very uninspiring but it's great for low volume track days if you're a track rat.
G
Twinfan said:
MPorsche said:
How much was the Ninemister silencer? Has it improved the sound much vs the cost?
You'd need to speak to Pete there about the exact cost, mine was the development car so I got a deal on it. I seem to think it's around £2500-ish for Stainless Steel and £4000-ish for inconel.It's pretty different in looks and sound to the OEM silencer, but as with most (all?) aftermarket silencers for these cars there is some drone between 2k-3k revs. JCR claim there is zero drone with their offering if it's something that might bother you. It's only a slight annoyance at low speed town driving etc so more of a consideration for a car that's used daily (unlike mine).
In my experience it's hugely changed the character of the car and I love it. It's not so much the extra volume, of which there is some, but it's more the character of the note it now produces which is such an improvement. As standard, there's so little exhaust noise and tone it's very uninspiring but it's great for low volume track days if you're a track rat.
Food for thought
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