The new 718 Gt4/Spyder are here!

[GT4RS]

NickUSA said:

GT4RS said:

Colour not decided, all I know is it’s this year at the moment as spec isnt locked. I would imagine later part of the year from the convention I had.

Can’t wait

Re: Colour, you should suggest that the only way to decide is for Porsche to fly you to, say Scotland to drive all the available options. As a bonus you could write us an unbiased (non-Vlogger) review that tells us like it is.

Sorry meant to say conversation!

[NickUSA]

GT4RS said:

NickUSA said:

GT4RS said:

Colour not decided, all I know is it’s this year at the moment as spec isnt locked. I would imagine later part of the year from the convention I had.

Can’t wait

Re: Colour, you should suggest that the only way to decide is for Porsche to fly you to, say Scotland to drive all the available options. As a bonus you could write us an unbiased (non-Vlogger) review that tells us like it is.

Sorry meant to say conversation!

We knew what you meant.

btw. I can remember the days when test drives at the PEC were the norm before you bought the car as they hoped you would add more options to the car as a result.

[Taffy66]

My only real gripe with my old 981 GT4 was the lack of top end sparkle from the strangled engine ie over 6.5K revs..I believe that this has been fully resolved on the new GT4..Couple this with a more polished chassis with less understeer , the new GT4 will prove to be a brilliant car straight out of the box..

[thelostboy]

Anyone else 'locked in' their spec yet?

Because I'm going for PCCBs, it's stacking up to be an expensive car (£96k) and I'm trying to rein it in a little. Is climate a must? I never use 'auto' in my other cars so wondering if this is a few quid saved sticking to regular air con?

Again, Clubsport seems a lot of money for not that much. At the moment I'm thinking buckets only.

I'm still between 3 colour combinations and really can't make my mind up!

[av185]

thelostboy said:

Anyone else 'locked in' their spec yet?

Because I'm going for PCCBs, it's stacking up to be an expensive car (£96k) and I'm trying to rein it in a little. Is climate a must? I never use 'auto' in my other cars so wondering if this is a few quid saved sticking to regular air con?

Again, Clubsport seems a lot of money for not that much. At the moment I'm thinking buckets only.

I'm still between 3 colour combinations and really can't make my mind up!

You spec won't lock for a few months yet assuming you have end of year delivery. Up to then you can change it as much as you like.

No real difference between 'manuel' and auto climate in terms of efficiency. But most people want climate for resale and for the small extra cost it is a good thing to spec imo.

Agree on clubsport. It is expensive for little benefit and extra weight. As with the 981 GT4 I am speccing buckets non c.s.

[fridaypassion]

Clubsport is a must have if you are lucky enough to be ordering and speccing new you would be a fool not to tick that box. It will cost you more when you come to try and shift it.

[gtsralph]

Another Preuninger interview, apparently you can "Speed Shift" whatever that is (5:05). Interviewer was excited.

https://youtu.be/s57v9x_imug

[TimRV57]

Steve Sutcliffe review now up on evo. He is pretty positive about the new engine, much more so than the majority of reviews I’ve read.

[fridaypassion]

Well be interesting to see what the overs market is. Given that it looks like a 981 GT3 CS and 570 will probably be cheaper options.

[GT4RS]

fridaypassion said:

Well be interesting to see what the overs market is. Given that it looks like a 981 GT3 CS and 570 will probably be cheaper options.

An average 570 can be had for around 100k, remember a Mclaren will come with far higher running cost to a gt4 4.0. You would need to be a brave man to have one without a warranty.

I assume you mean 991 gt3 cs for around 108k, only problem here is it’s only available in auto. So anyone wanting a newer / younger type manual car has either the 981 gt4 or 991.2 gt3. And there’s a big gap in pricing in between them which the new gt4 4.0 will end up falling into.

This is the way I see it at the moment if you want a manual newer Porsche gt car.

80k gets you a lovely used low mileage 981 in a good spec.

87k gets you a brand new out of the showroom gt4 4.0 in a good spec.

Around 150k gets you a basically unused 991.2 gt3 in a good spec.

All above prices are based around retail.

To me the new gt4 4.0 looks a great buy when you start comparing numbers.

[TDT]

fridaypassion said:

Well be interesting to see what the overs market is. Given that it looks like a 981 GT3 CS and 570 will probably be cheaper options.

If people are smart there won’t be an significant overs market. But we know most people are not smart.
The premium will be for those that must have the latest new and shiny right now and are not prepared to wait for a new order in a years time for what ever reason.

[TDT]

gtsralph said:

Another Preuninger interview, apparently you can "Speed Shift" whatever that is (5:05). Interviewer was excited.

https://youtu.be/s57v9x_imug

Flat shifting/power shifting - Keeping the throttle flat to the floor and depressing only the whilst shifting gear.
991.2 GT3 Manual had it also.

[Porsche911R]

My take



For once the Spyder has the GT4 licked imo, and sadly the GT4 will suit the PDK box.

For the track day time chasers a PDK GT4 makes sense, for the experience and ownership smiles 997.2 GT3 and for a lifestyle sporty daily the Spyder.

Manual GT4 now don’t make much sense to me. More weight and very much gear box limited now, not only in the gearing, with the new 4.0 it’s now also very much torque limited.

the gen one was an iconic launch and cheap , ie A Manual when GT3 went PDK, but for good or bad Porsche bought back a manual GT3 and then it’s no contest but at a big price difference so not fair I guess.

So the GT4 has gone from an iconic car to just best in class.

For £90k now for me
PDK GT4 track racer
Spyder lifestyle sports car
997.2 GT3 enthusiasts choice.

[av185]

fridaypassion said:

Clubsport is a must have if you are lucky enough to be ordering and speccing new you would be a fool not to tick that box. It will cost you more when you come to try and shift it.

Wasn't the case with the 981 GT4. Clubsports only make slightly more than non caged cars and not the costed option price new.

No reason why the 718 GT4 will not follow suit.

Different story with the GT3 of course.

[gtsralph]

Mad Scientist said:

I’ll take Steve Suttcliffes assessment. Well respected, non biased (on the face of it) has driven everything and an accomplished racer.

I am not sure any have really driven the car very intensively, at Knockhill I believe they were behind a GT3RS setting a pace.

I am waiting for CH /RM test driving around Portimao.

[TDT]

Porsche911R said:

My take

For once the Spyder has the GT4 licked imo, and sadly the GT4 will suit the PDK box.

For the track day time chasers a PDK GT4 makes sense, for the experience and ownership smiles 997.2 GT3 and for a lifestyle sporty daily the Spyder.

Manual GT4 now don’t make much sense to me. More weight and very much gear box limited now, not only in the gearing, with the new 4.0 it’s now also very much torque limited.

the gen one was an iconic launch and cheap , ie A Manual when GT3 went PDK, but for good or bad Porsche bought back a manual GT3 and then it’s no contest but at a big price difference so not fair I guess.

So the GT4 has gone from an iconic car to just best in class.

For £90k now for me
PDK GT4 track racer
Spyder lifestyle sports car
997.2 GT3 enthusiasts choice.

This might be right. W.r.t PDK being the better choice for the 718 GT4 as optimum track spec.
Particularly as the 718 GTS is actually faster than the 718 GT4 right now by virtue of PDK.
The new GT4 will be MIGHTY with PDK, due to the shorter ratios and ability to really rip through there’s range. It so funny how things revolve like this.

For road, Manual Spyder.

Although comparable at the price (c£90k) 997.2 GT3 doesn’t come into it here IMO. It’s a different proposition again.

[av185]

As we've said before many times on these threads, comparing old and new cars of the same price really is a case of apples and pears.

No way would I even consider a 997 GT3, great car that they undoubtedly are.

[Taffy66]

The trouble with a PDK 718 GT4 is both weight and cost..I don't think they'll use the better lighter non overdrive PDKS from the GT3 and use the standard Cayman PDK instead..This will drive up the official weight by another 30Kg to an even more porky 1450Kg..Assuming a track optimised GT4 will be a PDK,CS and steel brakes then all of a sudden you've got a heavy 1500Kg(sans driver) track car..
Another point is in complete contrast to the rear engined GT3 the extra 30Kg will be behind the engine combined with another 30Kg CS pack will upset the delectable balance of the GT4..If i decide to get one it'll be a Manual,Non CS and PCCBs just like my old 981 GT4 which will be a huge 80Kg lighter and much better balanced..
Having said that as a contrasting stable mate to my new RS its the new Spyder i'll be getting...One track focused car is plenty for a novice like myself..

[av185]

Walter Rohl claimed the cage in the 981 GT4 upset the balance of the car..... not that any of us would notice.

Wonder what he might make of the 718?

[Porsche911R]

Mad Scientist said:

I’ll take Steve Suttcliffes assessment. Well respected, non biased (on the face of it) has driven everything and an accomplished racer.

He has gone a bit you tube style for me.
If you went for reviews he would have you in a v8 Aston or a 981 GTS.

I like him but the reviews are all to positive in every single test he does now.

The thing about bringing a tear to your eye at 5k due to sound was daft.
One thinks he had to get a line in about noise in a good way, but he went a bit to far.

As for times on track it's tyre tech more than car tech atm.