The new 718 Gt4/Spyder are here!
Discussion
NickUSA said:
GT4RS said:
What’s your thoughts nick on this no deal extra 10% car tax we could be lumbered with come
October, if the 10% does kick in a nice spec car could get dam close to 100k.
If this does happen I assume a nice spec 718 GT4 could easily break 100k retail and that’s just to much money at retail imo.
GT4RS said:
May be worth having a chat with your contact at your OPC. From my understanding if your car isn’t in your OPC and registered in your name before the no deal date (if it happens) you are liable for the additional duty if we leave which I understand to be either 10% or 15% value of the car after Vat. My car won’t be here to December so there’s a possibility my car could jump up considerably in price, which to me then defeats why I’m buying an entry level Porsche GT car new.
If this does happen I assume a nice spec 718 GT4 could easily break 100k retail and that’s just to much money at retail imo.
Borris will get a deal without these tariffs imo. Still too much for this car now 997.2 GT3 are £95k though. So cannot understand the demand. If this does happen I assume a nice spec 718 GT4 could easily break 100k retail and that’s just to much money at retail imo.
Porsche911R said:
GT4RS said:
May be worth having a chat with your contact at your OPC. From my understanding if your car isn’t in your OPC and registered in your name before the no deal date (if it happens) you are liable for the additional duty if we leave which I understand to be either 10% or 15% value of the car after Vat. My car won’t be here to December so there’s a possibility my car could jump up considerably in price, which to me then defeats why I’m buying an entry level Porsche GT car new.
If this does happen I assume a nice spec 718 GT4 could easily break 100k retail and that’s just to much money at retail imo.
Borris will get a deal without these tariffs imo. If this does happen I assume a nice spec 718 GT4 could easily break 100k retail and that’s just to much money at retail imo.
Koln-RS said:
997.2 GT3s are getting on for 10 years old and are being seen as a bit too precious for regular road and track use, and mileage and spec sensitive.
New GT4 with all the latest tech, speccable to suit, and 3 years Warranty, will have a much wider appeal.
100% Correct.New GT4 with all the latest tech, speccable to suit, and 3 years Warranty, will have a much wider appeal.
Also the GT4 with the 992 GT3 likely to be the last NA Porsche cars, there was always going to be a demand.
And despite what is being said, when you go on the configurator both the GT4 and Spyder are marked as limited availability.
Koln-RS said:
997.2 GT3s are getting on for 10 years old and are being seen as a bit too precious for regular road and track use, and mileage and spec sensitive.
New GT4 with all the latest tech, speccable to suit, and 3 years Warranty, will have a much wider appeal.
But GT4 are miles and spec sensitive also so a moot point if you want a car to drive.New GT4 with all the latest tech, speccable to suit, and 3 years Warranty, will have a much wider appeal.
Infact one might say the 997.2 GT3 would hold better value in 2 years.
On all these cars it is 1k for a thousand miles as people see ave miles pa at 4K these days ! Even less, so it’s costs to drive any of them anyway due to this daft mileage issue.
But really it comes down to if you want a 7 out of 10 car or a 9 out of ten car to drive.
For me I,ll take the 9 out of 10 car, before there was a £35k gap now they are on par on price esp if there is a tariff.
As always there is a BIG choice of cars now, and 60% people imo want a free car to use for 2 years and the drive don’t really matter, you get a new car put 6k on it and sell it at list after 24 months. Screw how it drives :-) .
I,ll see what my OPC say in 12 months as a PDK GT4 would be the one new to own, if you want a Manual go older and get more involvement. A manual does not make a drivers car alone.
I am in a minority I guess wanting a drivers car, but would use a PDK GT4 as a week day hack.
Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 4th August 11:02
hunter 66 said:
Yes it is simple really regardless of spec , if you buy it to drive , especially hard , you will lose money , so milage sensitivity is now a bigger issue than on Ferraris .
There are simply way too many low mile ( under 1 k ) GT cars around ..
It’s even worst as you cannot sell a high miles modern Gt car even if you price it 10k less.There are simply way too many low mile ( under 1 k ) GT cars around ..
Buy it, drive it, you are stuck with it, or have to trade it out with a number starting with a 5.
It Makes the ownership not enjoyable when you have to pay overs to get these cars for normal people. As I do think why goto Waitrose in my GT when it would cost me £50 to do !
I used my Cayman R for 35k miles all year round all trips never gave miles a thought or weather.
I now use my GT3 maybe 3 or 4 times a month these days.
I bought a GTS to use as a hack, but it did not cut the mustard.
People take the piss out of macca's but if you use a Porsche Gt car and had to pay overs you stand to loose more than buying a 2nd hand 570s imo.
Perhaps if more GT owners actually used them more it may solve this first world problem.
If you just concentrate and worry about residuals it spoils the enjoyment. For some there's more to life.
UK buyers tend to concentrate on the numbers on the odometer rather than the overall condition. If a car has been regularly used for nipping to the shop for a pint of milk rather than longer mixed driving journeys the low mileage status masks it's overall condition. Another telltale might be the condition of the drivers seat. If it's low miles and the leather resembles an octogenarian's ball-sac it's time to look for another.
If you just concentrate and worry about residuals it spoils the enjoyment. For some there's more to life.
UK buyers tend to concentrate on the numbers on the odometer rather than the overall condition. If a car has been regularly used for nipping to the shop for a pint of milk rather than longer mixed driving journeys the low mileage status masks it's overall condition. Another telltale might be the condition of the drivers seat. If it's low miles and the leather resembles an octogenarian's ball-sac it's time to look for another.
Had the same dilemma:
So went to my OPC and actually spent time testing 18 ways, folding buckets & 918 buckets. To be honest it depends what matters most to you.
They all have strengths and weaknesses.
The 918 buckets look the best. But I am 6 feet tall and 11 stone 7, (40-inch chest) - so find my torso slops around a little; from side to side when pressing on. Also, the seat pan is slightly too short to support the back of my legs. And the seating position is very upright - which doesn't bother me, but will bother some people. Also, when set to their lowest position, the 918s go nice and low. The 918s are not heated - but that is a detail.
The folding buckets are a little bit more comfortable and less upright, and can be heated - BUT you can't lower them - and that (for me) is a big downside. Usefully, they can be folded if you need rear access - good in a GT3 w/o cage, but irrelevant in a Spyder. (Might be a good option if you are not too tall.)
18-ways: Many on this forum will give them a 'so so' press - but set up properly they are a damn good seat. They go slightly lower than even the 918s - which for me is a preference. I can get the back-rest in the perfect spot for the mood I am in (i.e. cruising or pressing on.) The seat pan can be extended to suit longer or shorter-legged people. Then when you crank the torso bolsters tight - I didn't 't slop side to side at all.
The leg bolsters are not as snug as the buckets - but not a million miles off when fully tightened. Finally they folded and can be heated if it matters
Eventually, I went with the 18-ways, because they were just more versatile.
You may find it could limit resale - but I bought the car for ME - not the 2nd owner.
So went to my OPC and actually spent time testing 18 ways, folding buckets & 918 buckets. To be honest it depends what matters most to you.
They all have strengths and weaknesses.
The 918 buckets look the best. But I am 6 feet tall and 11 stone 7, (40-inch chest) - so find my torso slops around a little; from side to side when pressing on. Also, the seat pan is slightly too short to support the back of my legs. And the seating position is very upright - which doesn't bother me, but will bother some people. Also, when set to their lowest position, the 918s go nice and low. The 918s are not heated - but that is a detail.
The folding buckets are a little bit more comfortable and less upright, and can be heated - BUT you can't lower them - and that (for me) is a big downside. Usefully, they can be folded if you need rear access - good in a GT3 w/o cage, but irrelevant in a Spyder. (Might be a good option if you are not too tall.)
18-ways: Many on this forum will give them a 'so so' press - but set up properly they are a damn good seat. They go slightly lower than even the 918s - which for me is a preference. I can get the back-rest in the perfect spot for the mood I am in (i.e. cruising or pressing on.) The seat pan can be extended to suit longer or shorter-legged people. Then when you crank the torso bolsters tight - I didn't 't slop side to side at all.
The leg bolsters are not as snug as the buckets - but not a million miles off when fully tightened. Finally they folded and can be heated if it matters
Eventually, I went with the 18-ways, because they were just more versatile.
You may find it could limit resale - but I bought the car for ME - not the 2nd owner.
Kazandy37 said:
Got the call I had been waiting for today - Spyder ordered for a Oct / Nov build - Dec / Jan delivery. I missed out on the last one, so excited I have managed to get one this time round - seems to be quite a step up from the last model.
Trying to decide between 18 ways or Buckets (heatable ones). Other than that spec all sorted.
Trying to decide between 18 ways or Buckets (heatable ones). Other than that spec all sorted.
notsomadmick said:
Eventually, I went with the 18-ways, because they were just more versatile.
You may find it could limit resale - but I bought the car for ME - not the 2nd owner.
I've had various types of buckets on my last four GTs. But, for road use, I would have no hesitation going for sports seats next time. It might have some 'residual' disadvantage, but perhaps not too much, as more people are realising that they can be so much nicer to live with. You may find it could limit resale - but I bought the car for ME - not the 2nd owner.
2010spy said:
My biggest (only) regret on my GT3 Touring was not getting the Sports Seats.
What a frank admission. Bravo, and just goes to show, people should spec what they want and what suits them rather than just for resale.Sports seats on the touring were unique also with that textile material insert.
N54 said:
'Compared to the 981 GT4 the 718 GT4 is only 35 kg heavier and even better to listen to.'Interesting.
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