The new 718 Gt4/Spyder are here!

The new 718 Gt4/Spyder are here!

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nudgerwilliams

247 posts

182 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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Porsche911R said:
GT4RS said:
May be worth having a chat with your contact at your OPC. From my understanding if your car isn’t in your OPC and registered in your name before the no deal date (if it happens) you are liable for the additional duty if we leave which I understand to be either 10% or 15% value of the car after Vat. My car won’t be here to December so there’s a possibility my car could jump up considerably in price, which to me then defeats why I’m buying an entry level Porsche GT car new.

If this does happen I assume a nice spec 718 GT4 could easily break 100k retail and that’s just to much money at retail imo.
Borris will get a deal without these tariffs imo. Still too much for this car now 997.2 GT3 are £95k though. So cannot understand the demand.
UK gov't can set whatever import tariffs it wants if we leave the EU with no deal (which would appear to now be government policy). Porsche are assuming UK import tariff will apply to finished cars because that's the position the government stated back in March prior to original deadline. Any tariff it sets on imports from EU have to be applied to imports from all other countries (eg US) under WTO MFN rules.

So if you end up having to pay 10% extra for your new car, you can blame the UK government.

RSVP911

8,192 posts

134 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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nudgerwilliams said:
Porsche911R said:
GT4RS said:
May be worth having a chat with your contact at your OPC. From my understanding if your car isn’t in your OPC and registered in your name before the no deal date (if it happens) you are liable for the additional duty if we leave which I understand to be either 10% or 15% value of the car after Vat. My car won’t be here to December so there’s a possibility my car could jump up considerably in price, which to me then defeats why I’m buying an entry level Porsche GT car new.

If this does happen I assume a nice spec 718 GT4 could easily break 100k retail and that’s just to much money at retail imo.
Borris will get a deal without these tariffs imo. Still too much for this car now 997.2 GT3 are £95k though. So cannot understand the demand.
UK gov't can set whatever import tariffs it wants if we leave the EU with no deal (which would appear to now be government policy). Porsche are assuming UK import tariff will apply to finished cars because that's the position the government stated back in March prior to original deadline. Any tariff it sets on imports from EU have to be applied to imports from all other countries (eg US) under WTO MFN rules.

So if you end up having to pay 10% extra for your new car, you can blame the UK government.
Yep that’s the trouble with WTO rules; legally it has to be 1 rule for everywhere without a separate trade deal and as such, it’s a very blunt instalment.

The only way to apply the tariffs that we want for European goods is to agree a trade deal with them separately.

Got to love Brexit - the gift that keeps giving frown

Edited by RSVP911 on Monday 5th August 10:52

Kazandy37

120 posts

127 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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2010spy said:
OPC quoted me £20k to retro-fit them.
Wow!

Ended up speccing the Sports Seats (18 way). Sat in bucket and whilst Ok I did think on long journeys I would notice it. Buying the car to drive it (not garage it) so want to enjoy it and be comfortable.

Roll on November when the Spyder arrives (assuming there isn’t a No Deal brexit and they want another £10k!!).

worldwidewebs

2,357 posts

251 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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I didn't find the buckets that comfortable or supportive and they certainly didn't hold me in place particularly well (I am built like a racing snake though). Got the standard 4 ways in my T as the 18 ways didn't get me any more comfortable and nearly 18 months in I'm happy with my choice

GT4RS

4,435 posts

198 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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nudgerwilliams said:
Porsche911R said:
GT4RS said:
May be worth having a chat with your contact at your OPC. From my understanding if your car isn’t in your OPC and registered in your name before the no deal date (if it happens) you are liable for the additional duty if we leave which I understand to be either 10% or 15% value of the car after Vat. My car won’t be here to December so there’s a possibility my car could jump up considerably in price, which to me then defeats why I’m buying an entry level Porsche GT car new.

If this does happen I assume a nice spec 718 GT4 could easily break 100k retail and that’s just to much money at retail imo.
Borris will get a deal without these tariffs imo. Still too much for this car now 997.2 GT3 are £95k though. So cannot understand the demand.
UK gov't can set whatever import tariffs it wants if we leave the EU with no deal (which would appear to now be government policy). Porsche are assuming UK import tariff will apply to finished cars because that's the position the government stated back in March prior to original deadline. Any tariff it sets on imports from EU have to be applied to imports from all other countries (eg US) under WTO MFN rules.

So if you end up having to pay 10% extra for your new car, you can blame the UK government.
10% is a massive uplift considering it’s already gone up but 13k imo based on original 981 gt4 and 718 gt4 base prices.

This will have an impact on sales and car prices.

The car trade is struggling already, this could make it very difficult for new car sales.

hunter 66

3,909 posts

221 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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Like the buckets ... as tall ( 6 ft 4 ) and comfortable on long trips ..... enough grip to never need harnesses at track days , even when on the edge ..
Plus lots of head room even with a helmet on ..
But maybe a Spyder best to avoid and an effort getting into and out of.

Terminator X

15,105 posts

205 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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RSVP911 said:
nudgerwilliams said:
Porsche911R said:
GT4RS said:
May be worth having a chat with your contact at your OPC. From my understanding if your car isn’t in your OPC and registered in your name before the no deal date (if it happens) you are liable for the additional duty if we leave which I understand to be either 10% or 15% value of the car after Vat. My car won’t be here to December so there’s a possibility my car could jump up considerably in price, which to me then defeats why I’m buying an entry level Porsche GT car new.

If this does happen I assume a nice spec 718 GT4 could easily break 100k retail and that’s just to much money at retail imo.
Borris will get a deal without these tariffs imo. Still too much for this car now 997.2 GT3 are £95k though. So cannot understand the demand.
UK gov't can set whatever import tariffs it wants if we leave the EU with no deal (which would appear to now be government policy). Porsche are assuming UK import tariff will apply to finished cars because that's the position the government stated back in March prior to original deadline. Any tariff it sets on imports from EU have to be applied to imports from all other countries (eg US) under WTO MFN rules.

So if you end up having to pay 10% extra for your new car, you can blame the UK government.
Yep that’s the trouble with WTO rules; legally it has to be 1 rule for everywhere without a separate trade deal and as such, it’s a very blunt instalment.

The only way to apply the tariffs that we want for European goods is to agree a trade deal with them separately.

Got to love Brexit - the gift that keeps giving frown

Edited by RSVP911 on Monday 5th August 10:52
Presumably you voted and either were in the majority camp or not. Democracy eh, it’s a very blunt instrument.

TX.

RSVP911

8,192 posts

134 months

Monday 5th August 2019
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Terminator X said:
Presumably you voted and either were in the majority camp or not. Democracy eh, it’s a very blunt instrument.

TX.
I did & you’re 100% right, in this instance it most certainly is smile

pete.g

1,527 posts

207 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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In a pub I used to frequent the landlady dabbled in politics - she had a sign which read 'Democracy - a system where two idiots can outvote a genius.'

We already pay a ton of tax on cars, which we buy with income that's been taxed and now we'll have to pay another tax, so we can drive the car, pay more tax and buy petrol which is heavily taxed.

Meanwhile a man who thinks he is Churchill the politician is proving to be about as effective as Churchill the dog from the insurance ad.

Koln-RS

3,868 posts

213 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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All will be fine.

Jeremy Corbyn will soon be at the helm, and he's not going to want to see Porsche owners suffering, is he.

rkwm1

1,476 posts

103 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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Has anybody ordered PTS on either the GT4 or Spyder?

R5PCN

71 posts

69 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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rkwm1 said:
Has anybody ordered PTS on either the GT4 or Spyder?
I went into my OPC on Saturday and was told it wasn’t available...

GT4RS

4,435 posts

198 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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R5PCN said:
rkwm1 said:
Has anybody ordered PTS on either the GT4 or Spyder?
I went into my OPC on Saturday and was told it wasn’t available...
I was offered pts at just below 7k on a gt4 recently.

gtsralph

1,187 posts

145 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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nudgerwilliams said:
UK gov't can set whatever import tariffs it wants if we leave the EU with no deal (which would appear to now be government policy). Porsche are assuming UK import tariff will apply to finished cars because that's the position the government stated back in March prior to original deadline. Any tariff it sets on imports from EU have to be applied to imports from all other countries (eg US) under WTO MFN rules.

So if you end up having to pay 10% extra for your new car, you can blame the UK government.
As the assumed tariff is 10%, why does the retail price go up 10%?

So Porsche pays AG full UK price before UK VAT and car tax and therefore makes no profit on new car sales, really?

nudgerwilliams

247 posts

182 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Meanwhile a man who thinks he is Churchill the politician is proving to be about as effective as Churchill the dog from the insurance ad.
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Good line!

nudgerwilliams

247 posts

182 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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gtsralph said:
As the assumed tariff is 10%, why does the retail price go up 10%?

So Porsche pays AG full UK price before UK VAT and car tax and therefore makes no profit on new car sales, really?
Porsche UK imports car. They pay UK gov't 10% import duty on the price they pay Porsche Germany. If Porsche UK want to keep the % margin they make the same, they increase the retail price by 10%. VAT then gets added on top of that.

It may be that in time Porsche UK decides it does not want to pass through the full impact of the import duty to buyers (eg because they find they are selling fewer cars), or that Porsche Germany decides the same and agrees to drop the wholesale price it charges Porsche UK, but clearly at the moment they've decided they want to be able to pass the impact of import duties through to end customers.

I suspect what will happen is individual dealers will discount a bit more if they find volumes are being hit, but IMV unlikely that will happen on GT cars where demand outstrips supply.

thelostboy

4,570 posts

226 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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R5PCN said:
rkwm1 said:
Has anybody ordered PTS on either the GT4 or Spyder?
I went into my OPC on Saturday and was told it wasn’t available...
I was told the same.

AJB88

12,453 posts

172 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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thelostboy said:
I was told the same.
My OPC told me a customer needs really good buying history with the OPC to be able to order either.

thelostboy

4,570 posts

226 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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Time for me to march down to my OPC and throw some hot coffee in someone's face then...

rkwm1

1,476 posts

103 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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thelostboy said:
I was told the same.
Thats a shame if they are not offering it. The colours on offer are poor frown