981 GT4 OPC prices increasing

[JayK12]

Cheib said:

GT4RS said:

981 gt4 prices don’t seem to of been effected as much a 991.2 gt3 for some reason, maybe because it still looks great value at 75k?

GT4 at it’s price point really is on it’s own though isn’t it ? If you don’t buy a GT4 what else do you buy that offers a similar drive ? 991.2 GT3 has got some serious competition from the likes of 720S which are now sub £160k. You could argue that the GT4 has competition from the 540/570 Mclaren’s but I am not sure someone spending £80k on a GT4 is necessarily going to want to buy a McLaren with the associated costs of running one....those costs are more palatable if you are spending £150k so think the 720S is much more likely alternative for a GT3 owner/buyer.

This, the 540C is now an 80K car. Servicing isn't expensive but the warranty is, however its much cheaper from warrantywise, I know people who are using WW instead of Mclaren for warranty. It makes the GT4 look pretty expensive. But then if you want a manual N/A car you won't be looking at the 540/570.

[Taffy66]

With 651 991.2GT3s delivered in the UK(twice the gen 1 numbers), i can only see prices staying at current levels or even at new list..I think there is a resistance once they hit list and won't go below.If the new tariff comes in making a well specced 718GT4 £100K+ then this will protect both 991.2GT3 prices and 981GT4/Spyder prices IMO..

[av185]

Porsche911R said:

Now’s the time to buy a supercar, f12, 600lt, lambo perf are the real value cars atm.
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Pal of mine took delivery of a red GT3 'manuel' clubsport same time as mine but sold it back to OPC Kendal at £10k over list last month when his Performante arrived.

But he now regrets changing.

Agree the Performante is compelling and could be quite desirable particularly in a few years.

[Porsche911R]

av185 said:

Pal of mine took delivery of a red GT3 'manuel' clubsport same time as mine but sold it back to OPC Kendal at £10k over list last month when his Performante arrived.

But he now regrets changing.

Agree the Performante is compelling and could be quite desirable particularly in a few years.

yes the GT3 is a better road car I guess, people I know with the Perf say, "totally unusable", ie just too dam fast now to enjoy !

but you have to look at the value for money from the list price and it is tempting to try one myself, I doubt I would when push comes to shove unless they do drop another £30k

[Gunso]

Interesting topic - I'm just about to sell a GT4 and jump into a 570S.

[GT4RS]

av185 said:

simon clark said:

Clubsport does make a material difference to values, in my opinion, or at least the chances of a car selling for anywhere near it's advertised price. Rare cars, and in the real world, away from forum talk, cars that are actually changing hands reflect that.

PCCB is also super desirable.

And I say that as someone who doesn't own a GT4 anymore, sadly - great cars and built in as smaller numbers as the older GT3's

At best you would probably receive the option cost of the clubsport extra £ on a late low mileage car and whilst a few buyers may want it, the market will generally not pay the extra.

Similarly with pccbs the c£5k extra cost relative to the £65k car as a whole is huge and most buyers want steels particularly for track use due to the high replacement costs of ceramics.

This is in contrast to the 991.2 GT3 btw where clubsport and ceramics are a must for most buyers but clearly this is a dearer £ car.

Maybe ceramics would be relatively more desirable on a 718 GT4 with it being a more expensive car but I am speccing steels again on mine as they are perfectly adequate for the performance.

In terms of UK production numbers,

981 GT4 591
991.1 GT3 332
991.2 GT3 608 plus 43 Tourings

That’s close to a 100% increase in production of the 991.2 gt3 at 651 uk cars produced over the 332 991.1 gt3 cars produced. Does the uk really have the appetite for all these used Porsche 991.2 Gt3 cars being advertised used at list or above!

[av185]

GT4RS said:

That’s close to a 100% increase in production of the 991.2 gt3 at 651 uk cars produced over the 332 991.1 gt3 cars produced. Does the uk really have the appetite for all these used Porsche 991.2 Gt3 cars being advertised used at list or above!

The mere fact that the right cars are generally still retailing at way above list ££ suggests it does.

Don't forget whilst there were essentially only two models of 991.1 GT3 PDK (CS and non CS), there are effectively 5 models of the 991.2 so it was the right thing for Porsche to double production with the introduction of 'manuel' alongside PDK S.

Be interesting to see how many 992s arrive when the time comes but the Brexit outcome will doubtless be a major factor in production numbers.

Edited by av185 on Tuesday 10th September 13:39

[JayK12]

Gunso said:

Interesting topic - I'm just about to sell a GT4 and jump into a 570S.

Makes sense, I was going to buy a GT4 in April, prices have dropped very little since then. I brought a race car instead but if I was to come back to a road car the 540/570 are just to tempting not to try!

[thistimenextyear]

av185 said:

At best you would probably receive the option cost of the clubsport extra £ on a late low mileage car and whilst a few buyers may want it, the market will generally not pay the extra.

Similarly with pccbs the c£5k extra cost relative to the £65k car as a whole is huge and most buyers want steels particularly for track use due to the high replacement costs of ceramics.

This is in contrast to the 991.2 GT3 btw where clubsport and ceramics are a must for most buyers but clearly this is a dearer £ car.

Maybe ceramics would be relatively more desirable on a 718 GT4 with it being a more expensive car but I am speccing steels again on mine as they are perfectly adequate for the performance.

In terms of UK production numbers,

981 GT4 591
991.1 GT3 332
991.2 GT3 608 plus 43 Tourings

AV185 - what is the spec for your 718 GT4?

[boxsey]

JayK12 said:

Gunso said:

Interesting topic - I'm just about to sell a GT4 and jump into a 570S.

Makes sense, I was going to buy a GT4 in April, prices have dropped very little since then. I brought a race car instead but if I was to come back to a road car the 540/570 are just to tempting not to try!

Careful Jay! From what I keep hearing, they are very tempting to try but very difficult to get rid of, without taking a bath, if you decide they're not the car for you.

[Porsche911R]

boxsey said:

Careful Jay! From what I keep hearing, they are very tempting to try but very difficult to get rid of, without taking a bath, if you decide they're not the car for you.

As with all these types of cars it's a £15k get in get out sort of price to have a play.

[av185]

thistimenextyear said:

AV185 - what is the spec for your 718 GT4?

Having a later car as in two minds whether PDK is the better alternative mindful of the 'manuel' tall gearing. If PDK S that would seal it for me even if £2.5 k extra. Although I do prefer 'manuel' cars for the involvement.

Guards with red stitching or Gentian blue with platinum stitching, sat platinum or gold wheels, steel brakes, non clubsport but p11 buckets, climate, chrono, red belts, extended leather, red 12 o'clock marker, carbon interior, smoker pack, luggage net, PCM(standard).

[freedman]

av185 said:

Could well be the looming probable 10 % hard Brexit surcharge making a 718 GT4 with some spec early £90ks with a minimum £115k flip price is having the affect of supporting 981 residuals too.

You seem absolutely obsessed with the Brexit surcharge, barely a post goes by without you raising it

[Porsche911R]

I agree, it won,t even happen imo .

[thistimenextyear]

av185 said:

Having a later car as in two minds whether PDK is the better alternative mindful of the 'manuel' tall gearing. If PDK S that would seal it for me even if £2.5 k extra. Although I do prefer 'manuel' cars for the involvement.

Guards with red stitching or Gentian blue with platinum stitching, sat platinum or gold wheels, steel brakes, non clubsport but p11 buckets, climate, chrono, red belts, extended leather, red 12 o'clock marker, carbon interior, smoker pack, luggage net, PCM(standard).

Mine is similar but still undecided on the exact spec. It is very easy to get north of £90k with just a few big options. Mine will be a second batch car. I don't like the sound of the potential brexit price hike

[Gunso]

jcosh said:

av185 said:

IN MY OPINION, buckets pcm and extended leather together with a good general spec are the must haves on a 981 GT4.

Clubsport and pccbs are needless imo and the market quite rightly commands little if any overall premium £.

Fixed that for you.

Be careful that you don't fall into the trap of another regular poster around here and confuse opinions with facts.

Well said. I mostly agree with everything av185 normally says. However on this occasion I completely agree with jcosh.

[GEETEETHREERS]

Just placed a deposit on a nice Sapphire Blue one with pretty much all the toys bar the clubsport pack. Very pleased!

Interestingly I've also been looking at 570GTs now for nearly 12months but a lack of main dealer here (Northern Ireland) and rocky residuals eventually put me off. Fabulous cars but head ruled heart this time.

[Gunso]

GEETEETHREERS said:

Just placed a deposit on a nice Sapphire Blue one with pretty much all the toys bar the clubsport pack. Very pleased!

Interestingly I've also been looking at 570GTs now for nearly 12months but a lack of main dealer here (Northern Ireland) and rocky residuals eventually put me off. Fabulous cars but head ruled heart this time.

Interesting. I’ve sold a GT4 to buy a 570S. The GT4 was loaded to the max. PTS PCCB buckets carbon leather nav etc etc not club sport though.

[Gunso]

av185 said:

Having a later car as in two minds whether PDK is the better alternative mindful of the 'manuel' tall gearing. If PDK S that would seal it for me even if £2.5 k extra. Although I do prefer 'manuel' cars for the involvement.

Guards with red stitching or Gentian blue with platinum stitching, sat platinum or gold wheels, steel brakes, non clubsport but p11 buckets, climate, chrono, red belts, extended leather, red 12 o'clock marker, carbon interior, smoker pack, luggage net, PCM(standard).

The “long gearing” is just a number.

Long gearing is totally blown out of proportion. So what, you take a corner in 2nd rather than third?

I find normal cars short geared now!

Edited by Gunso on Tuesday 10th September 21:04

[Cheib]

freedman said:

av185 said:

Could well be the looming probable 10 % hard Brexit surcharge making a 718 GT4 with some spec early £90ks with a minimum £115k flip price is having the affect of supporting 981 residuals too.

You seem absolutely obsessed with the Brexit surcharge, barely a post goes by without you raising it

Car dealers/manufacturers don’t have the “pricing power” to pass on a straight £10k price hike right now....OPC’s are full to the brim on new cars/demos/nearly new of every model in the range. If it was two or three years ago with several months wait for every model in the range it would be different. People will just stop buying cars in this environment if they are all £10k more expensive overnight. Sytner have just shut three of their BMW dealerships as an example fo what the car trade is going through at the moment..