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J-P said:
. Typically in the UK, the concept of "first come, first served" is something that we all accept as fair.
Whist in principle I agree with this up to a point. But the other side of the coin is how about the chap that buys say 4-6 new cars a year changes them every 18 months or so, gives his OPC all the service work, parts for his GT cars etc every car gets put back in back in for a new one and his been buying like this for a very long time like 10 years Plus. If you were the OPC who are you going to give your next GT car to, this customer or someone that has never bought a car from them or very little buying history but placed a LOI for the next GT car years before?
APOLO1 said:
J-P said:
. Typically in the UK, the concept of "first come, first served" is something that we all accept as fair.
Whist in principle I agree with this up to a point. But the other side of the coin is how about the chap that buys say 4-6 new cars a year changes them every 18 months or so, gives his OPC all the service work, parts for his GT cars etc every car gets put back in back in for a new one and his been buying like this for a very long time like 10 years Plus. If you were the OPC who are you going to give your next GT car to, this customer or someone that has never bought a car from them or very little buying history but placed a LOI for the next GT car years before?
Edited by Porsche guy on Sunday 3rd April 12:09
Edited by Porsche guy on Sunday 3rd April 21:15
APOLO1 said:
Whist in principle I agree with this up to a point.
But the other side of the coin is how about the chap that buys say 4-6 new cars a year changes them every 18 months or so, gives his OPC all the service work, parts for his GT cars etc every car gets put back in back in for a new one and his been buying like this for a very long time like 10 years Plus. If you were the OPC who are you going to give your next GT car to, this customer or someone that has never bought a car from them or very little buying history but placed a LOI for the next GT car years before?
Whilst your right, you are also wrong.But the other side of the coin is how about the chap that buys say 4-6 new cars a year changes them every 18 months or so, gives his OPC all the service work, parts for his GT cars etc every car gets put back in back in for a new one and his been buying like this for a very long time like 10 years Plus. If you were the OPC who are you going to give your next GT car to, this customer or someone that has never bought a car from them or very little buying history but placed a LOI for the next GT car years before?
Its chicken and egg; how do you get started if the cars keep going to the 'right' customers, and then a good % of these end up for sale at premium with a few hundred miles.
For yourself, its a comfortable position that you get offered a halo car every single time; its a no brainer to keep buying these when you run it until you are offered the next halo product and then chop in for more than you paid; depreciation free motoring or actually making money on each allocation is a very lucky position to be in, and kudos for you being in it.
I am in a similar position with Rolex; i get offered a watch every 6 or 8 weeks. Others wait years to be offered something. However I do spend decent amounts and am a loyal customer so I do feel I deserve to be offered hard to aquire watches over someone whom buys and flips; just like yourself in the Porsche world.
Its the individuals whom post 'this is a keeper' when they get their hands on a halo car then sell them soon afterwards with some lame excuse that goes against the grain and frustrates desperate potential purchasers whom may actually use it for what it was designed for rather than a cash cow.
APOLO1 said:
J-P said:
. Typically in the UK, the concept of "first come, first served" is something that we all accept as fair.
Whist in principle I agree with this up to a point. But the other side of the coin is how about the chap that buys say 4-6 new cars a year changes them every 18 months or so, gives his OPC all the service work, parts for his GT cars etc every car gets put back in back in for a new one and his been buying like this for a very long time like 10 years Plus. If you were the OPC who are you going to give your next GT car to, this customer or someone that has never bought a car from them or very little buying history but placed a LOI for the next GT car years before?
It's an almost impossible situation. If they give the halo cars to their best and biggest customers the same special people get the special cars every time and no one else gets a look in. That's clearly a ridiculous state of affairs, which is why perhaps Porsche and some of their GB dealers want to try mix it up a bit. If you are one of those customers great, of course that's the ideal way of handling the situation, but Porsche aren't a private members club i am afraid.
Anyroad, it is what it is i guess....being massively oversubscribed isn't such a terrible problem for a business to face, as problems go.
Anyroad, it is what it is i guess....being massively oversubscribed isn't such a terrible problem for a business to face, as problems go.
J-P said:
That only matters because the value of the thing is so high. If the depreciated like everything else, then only enthusiasts would buy them and nobody else would care less. However, I maintain first come, first served is fairer than some other obscure process.
I wouldn't say it was obscure, more that it's multi-faceted than the simplistic first-come first-served.What if the first person is always the same flipper?
I wonder how many of the crooked OPCs biggest spenders/DPs pals etc, would take each and every special GT product If they had to sign a legal affidavit direct from Porsche UK where they have to keep them for a minimum two years ?
Very few indeed I suspect !! Which would allow true enthusiasts to get them in the first place. Its a very dubious practice where Porsche AG needs to get involved to save what's left of Porsche's image as a maker of sports cars bought to be used.
In fact the allocation process should be handed to Porsche UK HQ as there are way too many crooked DPs drunk on power. Failing that they should be sold only on a fixed two year Lease with the option of buying at the end.
Very few indeed I suspect !! Which would allow true enthusiasts to get them in the first place. Its a very dubious practice where Porsche AG needs to get involved to save what's left of Porsche's image as a maker of sports cars bought to be used.
In fact the allocation process should be handed to Porsche UK HQ as there are way too many crooked DPs drunk on power. Failing that they should be sold only on a fixed two year Lease with the option of buying at the end.
Wheelspinning said:
Whilst your right, you are also wrong.
Its chicken and egg; how do you get started if the cars keep going to the 'right' customers, and then a good % of these end up for sale at premium with a few hundred miles.
For yourself, its a comfortable position that you get offered a halo car every single time; its a no brainer to keep buying these when you run it until you are offered the next halo product and then chop in for more than you paid; depreciation free motoring or actually making money on each allocation is a very lucky position to be in, and kudos for you being in it.
I am in a similar position with Rolex; i get offered a watch every 6 or 8 weeks. Others wait years to be offered something. However I do spend decent amounts and am a loyal customer so I do feel I deserve to be offered hard to aquire watches over someone whom buys and flips; just like yourself in the Porsche world.
Its the individuals whom post 'this is a keeper' when they get their hands on a halo car then sell them soon afterwards with some lame excuse that goes against the grain and frustrates desperate potential purchasers whom may actually use it for what it was designed for rather than a cash cow.
Thats were you are wrong, my last GT WP RS car that I gave back in After 14 months ( I only gave back in due to the last lock down) and as many track days for what paid less road tax, 2 sets of tyres, new Screen, due to track use and new PPF on the front due to track use damage, Same for one before that on my 992 Turbo S after 10k miles and 12 months plenty of track use, list back less the road tax, and new tyres, one new wheel, and front PPF. Also the Punter does not set the used prices the "Market" does. Every single Porsche car that I have bought new over the past 12 years ( and there have been lots in both Rhd and Lhd for use over in Eu) has gone back into the supplying OPC when I have has my use out of it, often for less that that what the Market says. I think you will find that my Gt cars are some of the the most used as intended here in the UK, my 992 GT3 is about to see its 12th Track day. The refresh bill alone on my 991RS below was 24k to get it though the 111 pre sale inspection due to excessive track use as in like over 10k track miles alone. Though I take your point that there are some that just dont use their cars past its first tank of fuel, I am at a loss as to why they buy the car in the first place. The cars never drive their best until they have a few kk on themIts chicken and egg; how do you get started if the cars keep going to the 'right' customers, and then a good % of these end up for sale at premium with a few hundred miles.
For yourself, its a comfortable position that you get offered a halo car every single time; its a no brainer to keep buying these when you run it until you are offered the next halo product and then chop in for more than you paid; depreciation free motoring or actually making money on each allocation is a very lucky position to be in, and kudos for you being in it.
I am in a similar position with Rolex; i get offered a watch every 6 or 8 weeks. Others wait years to be offered something. However I do spend decent amounts and am a loyal customer so I do feel I deserve to be offered hard to aquire watches over someone whom buys and flips; just like yourself in the Porsche world.
Its the individuals whom post 'this is a keeper' when they get their hands on a halo car then sell them soon afterwards with some lame excuse that goes against the grain and frustrates desperate potential purchasers whom may actually use it for what it was designed for rather than a cash cow.
Another point worth a mention is no one talks about the cars that go down in price like a few Cayenne 4.2ds that cost 89k list then after 2.5 years and 40k miles they are worth 36k, I can think of plenty of other examples over the years that have lost a similar amount.
I know what you mean about Rolex I placed a small dips on one a long time ago for my Sons 30, was told last year " Sorry but you dont have any buying history with us over past 7 years"
Edited by APOLO1 on Sunday 3rd April 13:57
Edited by APOLO1 on Sunday 3rd April 17:48
APOLO1 said:
Wheelspinning said:
Whilst your right, you are also wrong.
Its chicken and egg; how do you get started if the cars keep going to the 'right' customers, and then a good % of these end up for sale at premium with a few hundred miles.
For yourself, its a comfortable position that you get offered a halo car every single time; its a no brainer to keep buying these when you run it until you are offered the next halo product and then chop in for more than you paid; depreciation free motoring or actually making money on each allocation is a very lucky position to be in, and kudos for you being in it.
I am in a similar position with Rolex; i get offered a watch every 6 or 8 weeks. Others wait years to be offered something. However I do spend decent amounts and am a loyal customer so I do feel I deserve to be offered hard to aquire watches over someone whom buys and flips; just like yourself in the Porsche world.
Its the individuals whom post 'this is a keeper' when they get their hands on a halo car then sell them soon afterwards with some lame excuse that goes against the grain and frustrates desperate potential purchasers whom may actually use it for what it was designed for rather than a cash cow.
Thats were you are wrong, my last GT WP RS car that I gave back in After 14 months ( I only gave back in due to the last lock down) and as many track days for what paid less road tax, 2 sets of tyres, new Screen, due to track use and new PPF on the front due to track use damage, Same for one before that on my 992 Turbo S after 10k miles and 12 months plenty of track use, list back less the road tax, and new tyres, one new wheel, and front PPF. Also the Punter does not set the used prices the "Market" does. Every single Porsche car that I have bought new over the past 12 years ( and there have been lots in both Rhd and Lhd for use over in Eu) has gone back into the supplying OPC when I have has my use out of it, often for less that that what the Market says. I think you will find that my Gt cars are some of the the most used as intended here in the UK, my 992 GT3 is about to see its 12th Track day. The refresh bill alone on my 991RS below was 24k to get it though the 111 pre sale inspection due to excessive track use as in like over 10k track miles alone. Though I take your point that there are some that just dont use their cars past its first tank of fuel, I am at a loss as to why they buy the car in the first place. The cars never drive their best until they have a few kk on themIts chicken and egg; how do you get started if the cars keep going to the 'right' customers, and then a good % of these end up for sale at premium with a few hundred miles.
For yourself, its a comfortable position that you get offered a halo car every single time; its a no brainer to keep buying these when you run it until you are offered the next halo product and then chop in for more than you paid; depreciation free motoring or actually making money on each allocation is a very lucky position to be in, and kudos for you being in it.
I am in a similar position with Rolex; i get offered a watch every 6 or 8 weeks. Others wait years to be offered something. However I do spend decent amounts and am a loyal customer so I do feel I deserve to be offered hard to aquire watches over someone whom buys and flips; just like yourself in the Porsche world.
Its the individuals whom post 'this is a keeper' when they get their hands on a halo car then sell them soon afterwards with some lame excuse that goes against the grain and frustrates desperate potential purchasers whom may actually use it for what it was designed for rather than a cash cow.
Another point worth a mention is no one talks about the cars that go down in price like a few Cayenne 4.2ds that cost 89k list then after 2.5 years and 40k miles they are worth 36k, I can think of plenty of other examples over the years that have lost a similar amount.
I know what you mean about Rolex I placed a small dips on one a long time ago for my Sons 30, was told last year " Sorry but you dont have any buying history with us over past 7 years"
Edited by APOLO1 on Sunday 3rd April 13:57
Edited by APOLO1 on Sunday 3rd April 17:48
When individuals like yourself have a solid buying, using, servicing record along with chopping the car back into the same dealer, that to me is a definite top of the list client.
Owners that get an allocation and sell after 6mths or a year with a few hundred miles should not be given the opportunity again, regardless of their buying history.
Thats the point I was making, maybe not clearly though.
seawise said:
It's an almost impossible situation. If they give the halo cars to their best and biggest customers the same special people get the special cars every time and no one else gets a look in. That's clearly a ridiculous state of affairs, which is why perhaps Porsche and some of their GB dealers want to try mix it up a bit. If you are one of those customers great, of course that's the ideal way of handling the situation, but Porsche aren't a private members club i am afraid.
Anyroad, it is what it is i guess....being massively oversubscribed isn't such a terrible problem for a business to face, as problems go.
Totally agree with this though. Anyroad, it is what it is i guess....being massively oversubscribed isn't such a terrible problem for a business to face, as problems go.
Twinfan said:
I wouldn't say it was obscure, more that it's multi-faceted than the simplistic first-come first-served.
What if the first person is always the same flipper?
Yeah that's a fair point. It is obscure though because it's unknown how you can "qualify" for the cars. I agree with Seawise that they do need to mix it up a bit though.What if the first person is always the same flipper?
J-P said:
Yeah that's a fair point. It is obscure though because it's unknown how you can "qualify" for the cars. I agree with Seawise that they do need to mix it up a bit though.
It's not unknown, I think most people agree you need to be known to the OPC, service your car(s) there, buy from them regularly and trade your car(s) back to them, not be a flipper, introduce new customers to them, be local, not be a "problem" customer, promote the OPC in some way etc etc as it all helps. They're the general criteria as I see them.You should be able to work out pretty quickly where you stand in the pecking order. It's not an exact science, it's a bit subjective, much like hiring an employee.
Twinfan said:
J-P said:
Yeah that's a fair point. It is obscure though because it's unknown how you can "qualify" for the cars. I agree with Seawise that they do need to mix it up a bit though.
It's not unknown, I think most people agree you need to be known to the OPC, service your car(s) there, buy from them regularly and trade your car(s) back to them, not be a flipper, introduce new customers to them, be local, not be a "problem" customer, promote the OPC in some way etc etc as it all helps. They're the general criteria as I see them.You should be able to work out pretty quickly where you stand in the pecking order. It's not an exact science, it's a bit subjective, much like hiring an employee.
So, was officially told I could not get a car yesterday and that there was absolutely no chance of getting one regardless of how many the dealership eventually gets. I was initially annoyed because I'd been told for years that if a GT4RS comes out, I would definitely get one and I never complained about the various GT3 requests I made being rejected because I'd never put my name down for one. But now, I'm thinking "just work harder / get a better job" and just pay the overs for a used one. Allows me to spend money only on cars I want and I can completely bypass the OPC nonsense. So all positive in the end. Also, pretty much any other manufacturer will allow me to buy precisely the car I want, so happy days!
I can also just go to the PEC and try one - spank it to my heart's content for a day. Doubt that will cost very much either! I still remember thoroughly enjoying driving the GT3RS 4.0 there when it first came out and I absolutely loved it. To this day, it's THE best car I've ever driven.
I can also just go to the PEC and try one - spank it to my heart's content for a day. Doubt that will cost very much either! I still remember thoroughly enjoying driving the GT3RS 4.0 there when it first came out and I absolutely loved it. To this day, it's THE best car I've ever driven.
J-P said:
I can also just go to the PEC and try one - spank it to my heart's content for a day. Doubt that will cost very much either! I still remember thoroughly enjoying driving the GT3RS 4.0 there when it first came out and I absolutely loved it. To this day, it's THE best car I've ever driven.
Lol, exactly this….. life is too short to stress. 
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