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TDT said:
J-P said:
I can also just go to the PEC and try one - spank it to my heart's content for a day. Doubt that will cost very much either! I still remember thoroughly enjoying driving the GT3RS 4.0 there when it first came out and I absolutely loved it. To this day, it's THE best car I've ever driven.
Lol, exactly this….. life is too short to stress. 
Weird disconnect from the message Andreas Preuninger is putting out there.
drive.com.au said:
Andreas Preuninger, the director of Porsche’s GT division, told Drive the Porsche Cayman GT4 RS is “not a limited car.”
“Everyone who wants one, should get one. We asked every region how many they think they can sell … and then we added 30 per cent to have some safety (margin). That’s why we say everybody who orders one should get one.”
Source.“Everyone who wants one, should get one. We asked every region how many they think they can sell … and then we added 30 per cent to have some safety (margin). That’s why we say everybody who orders one should get one.”
MadCaptainJack said:
Weird disconnect from the message Andreas Preuninger is putting out there.
It wouldn't surprise me if that turns out to be partly true, maybe not everyone but quite a few, swap over GT4 to GT4RS production for next couple of years ??drive.com.au said:
Andreas Preuninger, the director of Porsche’s GT division, told Drive the Porsche Cayman GT4 RS is “not a limited car.”
“Everyone who wants one, should get one. We asked every region how many they think they can sell … and then we added 30 per cent to have some safety (margin). That’s why we say everybody who orders one should get one.”
Source.“Everyone who wants one, should get one. We asked every region how many they think they can sell … and then we added 30 per cent to have some safety (margin). That’s why we say everybody who orders one should get one.”
The gakring thing is everyone that orders one gets one.
People are upset here because not everyone is actually able to have an order that is accepted.
Orders are linked to build slots in the UK.
Other regions might take orders before slots are allocated and then try to fulfill thereafter.
As for GT4 production… seems that order book is closed for now… so all this capacity will go to RS… as per usual Porsche MO for GT cars.
People are upset here because not everyone is actually able to have an order that is accepted.
Orders are linked to build slots in the UK.
Other regions might take orders before slots are allocated and then try to fulfill thereafter.
As for GT4 production… seems that order book is closed for now… so all this capacity will go to RS… as per usual Porsche MO for GT cars.
Edited by TDT on Wednesday 6th April 07:40
ChrisW. said:
Almost everybody (?) here is not having their preferred specification accepted as an order ?
Or those who have had orders accepted don't want to say ... ??
Personally - I submitted a spec on official launch day, got an immediate call back and then had positive conversations with my OPC since, but obviously not got an initial allocation. I have not yet been told 'no, not ever'... only 'we'll wait and we'll see'. i've expressed my interest, no money paid, they have my name and number and we touch base every now and again.Or those who have had orders accepted don't want to say ... ??
So if something shows up at some point in the future, great, and i'll pivot things towards it at that point, until then my world carries on, I'll use and buy what I like, of course if something helps the cause and fits my personal circumstances... I'll work with them.
981 GT4 is a keeper anyway, as my personal GT genesis, anything else is in addition. The only thing i want is that drivetrain anyway. (And alcantara/Race-tex Dash,
)Edited by TDT on Wednesday 6th April 12:43
Mine was a little different.
I had placed a letter of intent many years ago for if a GT4RS was ever built.
When the car became more than vapour I confirmed my request.
When the spec was launched I immediately gave a build spec and tried to place an order.
I was contacted by the salesman from whom I bought my GT4 (after my CR) and was told no way. There would be very few cars and they would be allocated on a points basis, ... I didn't have enough points.
I referred him to Andreas statement on availability and to be fair, he contacted Reading who said, no change.
I had also contacted a less local OPC not owned by the group (only an hour away) ... a new dealer with whom I had raised an enquiry on the RS as soon as they opened and with whom therefore almost nobody would have a buying history ... and was told that I was not local enough to them so they could not accept my order. They weren't even sure if they would get a car.
The challenge is surely this, if you buy a car to use in the normal way and only buy the car that you want to use, how do you ever gain enough points for the special car that you want ?
The problem is then self perpetuating until secondhand cars no longer sell for more than the new price, at which point I imagine that the OPC's may miss the customers they dismissed ?
I currently own four Porsches ... but once one drops off the radar, how does one ever get back ?
Maybe by not complaining and letting them do what they want without criticism ?
Tyrone, at least you have the perception that they are aware of your interest and you are in with a chance ...
I had placed a letter of intent many years ago for if a GT4RS was ever built.
When the car became more than vapour I confirmed my request.
When the spec was launched I immediately gave a build spec and tried to place an order.
I was contacted by the salesman from whom I bought my GT4 (after my CR) and was told no way. There would be very few cars and they would be allocated on a points basis, ... I didn't have enough points.
I referred him to Andreas statement on availability and to be fair, he contacted Reading who said, no change.
I had also contacted a less local OPC not owned by the group (only an hour away) ... a new dealer with whom I had raised an enquiry on the RS as soon as they opened and with whom therefore almost nobody would have a buying history ... and was told that I was not local enough to them so they could not accept my order. They weren't even sure if they would get a car.
The challenge is surely this, if you buy a car to use in the normal way and only buy the car that you want to use, how do you ever gain enough points for the special car that you want ?
The problem is then self perpetuating until secondhand cars no longer sell for more than the new price, at which point I imagine that the OPC's may miss the customers they dismissed ?
I currently own four Porsches ... but once one drops off the radar, how does one ever get back ?
Maybe by not complaining and letting them do what they want without criticism ?
Tyrone, at least you have the perception that they are aware of your interest and you are in with a chance ...
ChrisW. said:
Mine was a little different.
I had placed a letter of intent many years ago for if a GT4RS was ever built.
When the car became more than vapour I confirmed my request.
When the spec was launched I immediately gave a build spec and tried to place an order.
I was contacted by the salesman from whom I bought my GT4 (after my CR) and was told no way. There would be very few cars and they would be allocated on a points basis, ... I didn't have enough points.
I referred him to Andreas statement on availability and to be fair, he contacted Reading who said, no change.
I had also contacted a less local OPC not owned by the group (only an hour away) ... a new dealer with whom I had raised an enquiry on the RS as soon as they opened and with whom therefore almost nobody would have a buying history ... and was told that I was not local enough to them so they could not accept my order. They weren't even sure if they would get a car.
The challenge is surely this, if you buy a car to use in the normal way and only buy the car that you want to use, how do you ever gain enough points for the special car that you want ?
The problem is then self perpetuating until secondhand cars no longer sell for more than the new price, at which point I imagine that the OPC's may miss the customers they dismissed ?
I currently own four Porsches ... but once one drops off the radar, how does one ever get back ?
Maybe by not complaining and letting them do what they want without criticism ?
Tyrone, at least you have the perception that they are aware of your interest and you are in with a chance ...
My experience is almost identical to yours. However, BMW almost certainly will let me have an M4 CSL and I will drive the GT4RS at the PEC. As for my next Porsche, I'll just get a used one. But I don't want to play the "buy some cars you don't want "game because I fundamentally disagree with it and in my case I wasn't informed by the OPC that the goalposts had changed or indeed what specifically I would need to do. How many Porsches do I have to buy? How many services do you need to see? etc - like I said it's an opaque process, so not for me. Bit of a 1st world problem though, so it is what it is...I had placed a letter of intent many years ago for if a GT4RS was ever built.
When the car became more than vapour I confirmed my request.
When the spec was launched I immediately gave a build spec and tried to place an order.
I was contacted by the salesman from whom I bought my GT4 (after my CR) and was told no way. There would be very few cars and they would be allocated on a points basis, ... I didn't have enough points.
I referred him to Andreas statement on availability and to be fair, he contacted Reading who said, no change.
I had also contacted a less local OPC not owned by the group (only an hour away) ... a new dealer with whom I had raised an enquiry on the RS as soon as they opened and with whom therefore almost nobody would have a buying history ... and was told that I was not local enough to them so they could not accept my order. They weren't even sure if they would get a car.
The challenge is surely this, if you buy a car to use in the normal way and only buy the car that you want to use, how do you ever gain enough points for the special car that you want ?
The problem is then self perpetuating until secondhand cars no longer sell for more than the new price, at which point I imagine that the OPC's may miss the customers they dismissed ?
I currently own four Porsches ... but once one drops off the radar, how does one ever get back ?
Maybe by not complaining and letting them do what they want without criticism ?
Tyrone, at least you have the perception that they are aware of your interest and you are in with a chance ...
ChrisW. said:
I referred him to Andreas statement on availability and to be fair, he contacted Reading who said, no change.
AP comes across as a really nice very enthusiastic guy.But I don’t think he lives in the real world where availability is concerned.
He said everyone who wanted a 718 GT4 will have one now.
That is definitely not the case.
MadCaptainJack said:
Well I know I can afford the car I spec'd approx 128k could I afford another 50% probably not but even if I could all that money on someone else choice , no that wouldnt happen because however amazing it is (and im sure it would be) I would look at it and think its not what I wantedCharlie_1 said:
Well I know I can afford the car I spec'd approx 128k could I afford another 50% probably not but even if I could all that money on someone else choice , no that wouldnt happen because however amazing it is (and im sure it would be) I would look at it and think its not what I wanted
I thought that when I bought my 981 GT4 for overs.Then when I got a 718 GT4 allocation I specced it nearly the same!
ChrisW. said:
I agree, once you have overcome the sense of injury, there is great freedom.
I have always concentrated on classic cars ... many of them Porsche's ... but I get no "points" for those !
I agree - I felt really aggrieved but now, I just don't care. I've loved Porsches all my life, have books about driving them, Hans Mezger and ones just to look at them. But in the grand scheme of things, it's just not that big a deal if a dealership doesn't want to sell me a new one, I still have plenty of options. It's just not worth getting worked up over it.I have always concentrated on classic cars ... many of them Porsche's ... but I get no "points" for those !
Interestingly, BMW's process for deciding who gets a limited car is based on car buying history (and ownership) and is decided by BMW UK. You don't need to have bought a single BMW, as long as your history demonstrates that you are an enthusiast, you're good to go - a much fairer system as a combination of both heavy M car buyers and buyers completely new to the brand can get one.
There will always be people that “play the game” to get cars….you need to spend a significant six figure every year to be the first on the list for any GT car and even more so for an RS. For the last five years Id’ say it’s been a very profitable game, GT3, Speedster, GT3 RS, Turbo S Exclusive, GT2 RS, Targa heritage etc and now GT4 RS overs will probably pay for the depreciation on a lot of metal….and that ordinary metal is not depreciating at the moment.
If you got all that lot there’s £500k of tax free cash….
Sadly being the first to write a letter of intent means nothing. All about £££. If you’re status as a customer means a constant stream of GT cars the OPC knows they’re getting the previous ones back so everyone is a winner….except the enthusiast customer.
If you got all that lot there’s £500k of tax free cash….
Sadly being the first to write a letter of intent means nothing. All about £££. If you’re status as a customer means a constant stream of GT cars the OPC knows they’re getting the previous ones back so everyone is a winner….except the enthusiast customer.
When the 991.2 GT3 was released my OPC knew I wanted one, I got the call telling me that they didn't get as many allocations as anticipated and that they were very sorry but I wouldn't be getting one. I thanked him for letting me know, thanked him for his effort in trying to get me an allocation, I know he went into bat for me and tried his best. I said it was always a bit of a long shot because I'm kind of a nobody. I told him to put me down for a 718 GT4 whenever they get released.
Two weeks later I got another call asking if I still wanted a GT3? if I could get there that day, lock the spec and pay the deposit I could have it. I walked out of a work meeting, ran to the tube station, got the tube to the OPC, locked the spec and paid the deposit. Turns out they cot a couple of extra allocations right at the end of the production run. I asked why he called me and not the dozens (hundreds?) of others that must have wanted one? He said because I'm a nice guy, he likes me, he knows I'm passionate about the brand, I use the cars and I was gracious in defeat. I didn't throw my toys out of the pram when I was told I couldn't have one like everybody else did.
In my case it paid to be nice.
Two weeks later I got another call asking if I still wanted a GT3? if I could get there that day, lock the spec and pay the deposit I could have it. I walked out of a work meeting, ran to the tube station, got the tube to the OPC, locked the spec and paid the deposit. Turns out they cot a couple of extra allocations right at the end of the production run. I asked why he called me and not the dozens (hundreds?) of others that must have wanted one? He said because I'm a nice guy, he likes me, he knows I'm passionate about the brand, I use the cars and I was gracious in defeat. I didn't throw my toys out of the pram when I was told I couldn't have one like everybody else did.
In my case it paid to be nice.
J-P said:
I agree - I felt really aggrieved but now, I just don't care. I've loved Porsches all my life, have books about driving them, Hans Mezger and ones just to look at them. But in the grand scheme of things, it's just not that big a deal if a dealership doesn't want to sell me a new one, I still have plenty of options. It's just not worth getting worked up over it.
Interestingly, BMW's process for deciding who gets a limited car is based on car buying history (and ownership) and is decided by BMW UK. You don't need to have bought a single BMW, as long as your history demonstrates that you are an enthusiast, you're good to go - a much fairer system as a combination of both heavy M car buyers and buyers completely new to the brand can get one.
This is a great post which rings very true and fair play to BMW.Interestingly, BMW's process for deciding who gets a limited car is based on car buying history (and ownership) and is decided by BMW UK. You don't need to have bought a single BMW, as long as your history demonstrates that you are an enthusiast, you're good to go - a much fairer system as a combination of both heavy M car buyers and buyers completely new to the brand can get one.
I admit that I've been as guilty as anyone on playing the OPCs silly allocation games to get the car I really wanted. This car I targeted was the 2019 RS WP which I got and still have and I'm more than happy with it. I really don't like the 992s having owned a couple very briefly from both an aesthetic POV and driving manners.
The new upcoming 992 RS is so OTT in the looks dept that It crosses the line in what I'd be comfortable driving on public roads. There has to be a limit in these uncertain times on how much a prat you want to be perceived by Joe public.
The GT4 RS sounds like an awesome car and one of the true Porsche greats. Its an even bigger pity that these will invariably get given to the OPCs favourite flippers just to be sold on after a few months through the same supplying OPC
Maybe there are other OPCs who have better morals but they are few and far between.
I'm proud that I have managed to beat my OPCs flippers at their own game albeit at considerable expense but to continue to do so is pure madness as It becomes ever more stressful and frustrating.
Better to buy one at 'overs' from an independent or alternatively buy another make of car of which there are plenty.
paralla said:
When the 991.2 GT3 was released my OPC knew I wanted one, I got the call telling me that they didn't get as many allocations as anticipated and that they were very sorry but I wouldn't be getting one. I thanked him for letting me know, thanked him for his effort in trying to get me an allocation, I know he went into bat for me and tried his best. I said it was always a bit of a long shot because I'm kind of a nobody. I told him to put me down for a 718 GT4 whenever they get released.
Two weeks later I got another call asking if I still wanted a GT3? if I could get there that day, lock the spec and pay the deposit I could have it. I walked out of a work meeting, ran to the tube station, got the tube to the OPC, locked the spec and paid the deposit. Turns out they cot a couple of extra allocations right at the end of the production run. I asked why he called me and not the dozens (hundreds?) of others that must have wanted one? He said because I'm a nice guy, he likes me, he knows I'm passionate about the brand, I use the cars and I was gracious in defeat. I didn't throw my toys out of the pram when I was told I couldn't have one like everybody else did.
In my case it paid to be nice.
I had a very similar experience with my OPC getting my last GT3. And i am still hopeful that a similar occurrence might transpire with a GT4 RS allocation in 2023. Certainly my sales contact is trying his best and has some hope.Two weeks later I got another call asking if I still wanted a GT3? if I could get there that day, lock the spec and pay the deposit I could have it. I walked out of a work meeting, ran to the tube station, got the tube to the OPC, locked the spec and paid the deposit. Turns out they cot a couple of extra allocations right at the end of the production run. I asked why he called me and not the dozens (hundreds?) of others that must have wanted one? He said because I'm a nice guy, he likes me, he knows I'm passionate about the brand, I use the cars and I was gracious in defeat. I didn't throw my toys out of the pram when I was told I couldn't have one like everybody else did.
In my case it paid to be nice.
And for the record whilst i have owned many Porsche’s over the last 20 years, bar one Cayman GT4 they have all been 911’s, and only 2 of those 911’s have not been RS or GT3’s. And only 4 have been purchased new (2005 997.1 S, 2011 997.2GT3 RS, 2016 981 GT4, 2018 991.2 GT3 touring).
Play nice, never moan (including on public forums like here), service via OPC, give them a chance to purchase/part ex your cars, and if you have a decent OPC you ‘might’ be lucky.
I haven’t given up getting a GT4 RS yet.
Twinfan said:
paralla said:
In my case it paid to be nice.
Which is a great way to live your life, and certainly something that rings true with me. As Adam Hills says - "Don't be d1ck!"There have been numerous posters complaining about not getting an allocation throwing their toys out the pram then complaining vociferously to not just the OPC but Porsche.
If they are a PITA to deal with that kind of attitude and sense of entitlement why would the OPC want to do business with them.
I've had a few issues with my OPCs over the years but have always broadly given them the benefit of the doubt and consequently I have a decent relationship with them.
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