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paralla said:
When the 991.2 GT3 was released my OPC knew I wanted one, I got the call telling me that they didn't get as many allocations as anticipated and that they were very sorry but I wouldn't be getting one. I thanked him for letting me know, thanked him for his effort in trying to get me an allocation, I know he went into bat for me and tried his best. I said it was always a bit of a long shot because I'm kind of a nobody. I told him to put me down for a 718 GT4 whenever they get released.
Two weeks later I got another call asking if I still wanted a GT3? if I could get there that day, lock the spec and pay the deposit I could have it. I walked out of a work meeting, ran to the tube station, got the tube to the OPC, locked the spec and paid the deposit. Turns out they cot a couple of extra allocations right at the end of the production run. I asked why he called me and not the dozens (hundreds?) of others that must have wanted one? He said because I'm a nice guy, he likes me, he knows I'm passionate about the brand, I use the cars and I was gracious in defeat. I didn't throw my toys out of the pram when I was told I couldn't have one like everybody else did.
In my case it paid to be nice.
Totally brilliant news - I'm genuinely really pleased it worked out for you!Two weeks later I got another call asking if I still wanted a GT3? if I could get there that day, lock the spec and pay the deposit I could have it. I walked out of a work meeting, ran to the tube station, got the tube to the OPC, locked the spec and paid the deposit. Turns out they cot a couple of extra allocations right at the end of the production run. I asked why he called me and not the dozens (hundreds?) of others that must have wanted one? He said because I'm a nice guy, he likes me, he knows I'm passionate about the brand, I use the cars and I was gracious in defeat. I didn't throw my toys out of the pram when I was told I couldn't have one like everybody else did.
In my case it paid to be nice.
seawise said:
paralla said:
When the 991.2 GT3 was released my OPC knew I wanted one, I got the call telling me that they didn't get as many allocations as anticipated and that they were very sorry but I wouldn't be getting one. I thanked him for letting me know, thanked him for his effort in trying to get me an allocation, I know he went into bat for me and tried his best. I said it was always a bit of a long shot because I'm kind of a nobody. I told him to put me down for a 718 GT4 whenever they get released.
Two weeks later I got another call asking if I still wanted a GT3? if I could get there that day, lock the spec and pay the deposit I could have it. I walked out of a work meeting, ran to the tube station, got the tube to the OPC, locked the spec and paid the deposit. Turns out they cot a couple of extra allocations right at the end of the production run. I asked why he called me and not the dozens (hundreds?) of others that must have wanted one? He said because I'm a nice guy, he likes me, he knows I'm passionate about the brand, I use the cars and I was gracious in defeat. I didn't throw my toys out of the pram when I was told I couldn't have one like everybody else did.
In my case it paid to be nice.
I had a very similar experience with my OPC getting my last GT3. And i am still hopeful that a similar occurrence might transpire with a GT4 RS allocation in 2023. Certainly my sales contact is trying his best and has some hope.Two weeks later I got another call asking if I still wanted a GT3? if I could get there that day, lock the spec and pay the deposit I could have it. I walked out of a work meeting, ran to the tube station, got the tube to the OPC, locked the spec and paid the deposit. Turns out they cot a couple of extra allocations right at the end of the production run. I asked why he called me and not the dozens (hundreds?) of others that must have wanted one? He said because I'm a nice guy, he likes me, he knows I'm passionate about the brand, I use the cars and I was gracious in defeat. I didn't throw my toys out of the pram when I was told I couldn't have one like everybody else did.
In my case it paid to be nice.
And for the record whilst i have owned many Porsche’s over the last 20 years, bar one Cayman GT4 they have all been 911’s, and only 2 of those 911’s have not been RS or GT3’s. And only 4 have been purchased new (2005 997.1 S, 2011 997.2GT3 RS, 2016 981 GT4, 2018 991.2 GT3 touring).
Play nice, never moan (including on public forums like here), service via OPC, give them a chance to purchase/part ex your cars, and if you have a decent OPC you ‘might’ be lucky.
I haven’t given up getting a GT4 RS yet.
Taffy66 said:
J-P said:
I agree - I felt really aggrieved but now, I just don't care. I've loved Porsches all my life, have books about driving them, Hans Mezger and ones just to look at them. But in the grand scheme of things, it's just not that big a deal if a dealership doesn't want to sell me a new one, I still have plenty of options. It's just not worth getting worked up over it.
Interestingly, BMW's process for deciding who gets a limited car is based on car buying history (and ownership) and is decided by BMW UK. You don't need to have bought a single BMW, as long as your history demonstrates that you are an enthusiast, you're good to go - a much fairer system as a combination of both heavy M car buyers and buyers completely new to the brand can get one.
This is a great post which rings very true and fair play to BMW.Interestingly, BMW's process for deciding who gets a limited car is based on car buying history (and ownership) and is decided by BMW UK. You don't need to have bought a single BMW, as long as your history demonstrates that you are an enthusiast, you're good to go - a much fairer system as a combination of both heavy M car buyers and buyers completely new to the brand can get one.
I admit that I've been as guilty as anyone on playing the OPCs silly allocation games to get the car I really wanted. This car I targeted was the 2019 RS WP which I got and still have and I'm more than happy with it. I really don't like the 992s having owned a couple very briefly from both an aesthetic POV and driving manners.
The new upcoming 992 RS is so OTT in the looks dept that It crosses the line in what I'd be comfortable driving on public roads. There has to be a limit in these uncertain times on how much a prat you want to be perceived by Joe public.
The GT4 RS sounds like an awesome car and one of the true Porsche greats. Its an even bigger pity that these will invariably get given to the OPCs favourite flippers just to be sold on after a few months through the same supplying OPC
Maybe there are other OPCs who have better morals but they are few and far between.
I'm proud that I have managed to beat my OPCs flippers at their own game albeit at considerable expense but to continue to do so is pure madness as It becomes ever more stressful and frustrating.
Better to buy one at 'overs' from an independent or alternatively buy another make of car of which there are plenty.
av185 said:
Twinfan said:
paralla said:
In my case it paid to be nice.
Which is a great way to live your life, and certainly something that rings true with me. As Adam Hills says - "Don't be d1ck!"There have been numerous posters complaining about not getting an allocation throwing their toys out the pram then complaining vociferously to not just the OPC but Porsche.
If they are a PITA to deal with that kind of attitude and sense of entitlement why would the OPC want to do business with them.
I've had a few issues with my OPCs over the years but have always broadly given them the benefit of the doubt and consequently I have a decent relationship with them.
ChrisW. said:
Looking at the number of premium Porsches you've been able to buy new, you surely are proof positive that many others will not get a look in ... no wonder you are nice to your OPC
It does pay to be nice, I remember when the 981gt4 came out and my sales chap was getting so much grief from some customers throwing toys out their prams, but patience and courtesy paid of for me!Does make me think how some are allocated every single special that comes out of the factory though!
I get the loyalty bit , but how many new specials/Gt products does one person need, it can only be for financial gain!
Off topic I noticed today was 5 brand new preregistered 992 in one dealership group advertised at overs when there is a waiting list?
Are some dealers using waiting list orders to buy in stock as demos and I use the word loosely to sell at overs ??
Just feel over the last 5/6 years things have got a bit over shady in the Porsche buying process.
I am really glad for some of the true enthusiasts on here that are being allocated a car but for everyone of those another will go to a flipper!
ChrisW. said:
Looking at the number of premium Porsches you've been able to buy new, you surely are proof positive that many others will not get a look in ... no wonder you are nice to your OPC
Ha presumably I am not nice enough to justify getting a GT4RS allocation though! 
Interestingly whilst on this topic there are at least three former PHers I know of who have categorically decided to withdraw from the GT allocation 'circus merrygo round' because they have decided they are actually very happy with their current cars as keepers being effectively peak GT sweetspot and the morphing of 992s and next gen hybrid Caysters hold little appeal to them.
Who knows the way things are going this could well be a growing trend....
:GT4P said:
Off topic I noticed today was 5 brand new preregistered 992 in one dealership group advertised at overs when there is a waiting list?
Are some dealers using waiting list orders to buy in stock as demos and I use the word loosely to sell at overs ??
Just feel over the last 5/6 years things have got a bit over shady in the Porsche buying process.
I am really glad for some of the true enthusiasts on here that are being allocated a car but for everyone of those another will go to a flipper!
Here's an interesting one: a 911 Turbo S cab with 40 miles on the clock, on sale for £249,000.Are some dealers using waiting list orders to buy in stock as demos and I use the word loosely to sell at overs ??
Just feel over the last 5/6 years things have got a bit over shady in the Porsche buying process.
I am really glad for some of the true enthusiasts on here that are being allocated a car but for everyone of those another will go to a flipper!
The list price for a car with the same spec is £188,047.
The stock number on the listing is the car's registration: FN22DHE
The DVLA website says that the V5C was issued on 1st March, and it hasn't been taxed yet.
So here's a car that the (theoretical) buyer never actually took delivery of (we know that because they can't drive it if it hasn't been taxed), that's on sale for £60,000 over list price.
Here's another one: a 911 Turbo S, with 427 miles on the clock, on sale for £239,990.
List price: £180,000 (so another £60,000 uplift).
Reg: CK22LVL
This one has actually been taxed. Last V5C was issued on 12th March.
I'd love to know what the real story is with those two cars.
av185 said:
True but it always amazes me how many do not understand this time and time again.
There have been numerous posters complaining about not getting an allocation throwing their toys out the pram then complaining vociferously to not just the OPC but Porsche.
If they are a PITA to deal with that kind of attitude and sense of entitlement why would the OPC want to do business with them.
I've had a few issues with my OPCs over the years but have always broadly given them the benefit of the doubt and consequently I have a decent relationship with them.
I'm always courteous to anybody I engage with, I don't "throw my toys out of the pram". However in both my professional life and personal life, I have to maintain both professional and ethical standards. If I say something, then I have to live by it. I often forget that most people don't have to live by these standards and it's disappointing when they do not. I merely point this out. Sometimes this means that I have to do something that commercially, I didn't want to do but that doesn't matter, the commitment is made and I have to live with it. And to be honest, it's the best way to be, you always know where you stand and people can rely on you to back up your words with action, but more importantly, the value that behaving this way brings to your brand is simply huge, this is often overlooked by businesses that are purely focussed on profit.There have been numerous posters complaining about not getting an allocation throwing their toys out the pram then complaining vociferously to not just the OPC but Porsche.
If they are a PITA to deal with that kind of attitude and sense of entitlement why would the OPC want to do business with them.
I've had a few issues with my OPCs over the years but have always broadly given them the benefit of the doubt and consequently I have a decent relationship with them.
ChrisW. said:
I'm always nice ... the only thing that could be criticised is my sense of "entitlement" which I will own up to.
Which is why having cut that tie, it's a great freedom. It was obviously one sided.
Good for you, buddy! It's genuinely a very positive move, I found it very liberating too. I still love the brand (always will) but I'll just buy used ones - not a big deal at all.Which is why having cut that tie, it's a great freedom. It was obviously one sided.
CloudStuff said:
Ha! Didn't see that you had posted the same car! Looks great!av185 said:
ChrisW. said:
Looking at the number of premium Porsches you've been able to buy new, you surely are proof positive that many others will not get a look in ... no wonder you are nice to your OPC
Ha presumably I am not nice enough to justify getting a GT4RS allocation though! Interestingly whilst on this topic there are at least three former PHers I know of who have categorically decided to withdraw from the GT allocation 'circus merrygo round' because they have decided they are actually very happy with their current cars as keepers being effectively peak GT sweetspot and the morphing of 992s and next gen hybrid Caysters hold little appeal to them.
Who knows the way things are going this could well be a growing trend....
:av185 said:
The cab could well be a cancelled order.
So, in that instance, who would the extra £60,000 go to? I assume it's not the person who cancelled the order, which leaves the dealer or Porsche GB. Also, how long before build does the spec need to be finalised? And, if you were to cancel an order after the spec for your car is locked, do you lose your deposit?
The reason I'm asking is because I'm interested in how the incentives work in this type of situation, and why an order that gets cancelled before the build date wouldn't simply result in the build slot being re-allocated to someone else.
MadCaptainJack said:
So, in that instance, who would the extra £60,000 go to? I assume it's not the person who cancelled the order, which leaves the dealer or Porsche GB.
Also, how long before build does the spec need to be finalised? And, if you were to cancel an order after the spec for your car is locked, do you lose your deposit?
The reason I'm asking is because I'm interested in how the incentives work in this type of situation, and why an order that gets cancelled before the build date wouldn't simply result in the build slot being re-allocated to someone else.
An OPC can't sell a brand new car for over list, so it would have to have had at least one owner. Either the original buyer, who is a flipper, or a friend of the centre who's taken over the order and now has it on sale or return. Either way, it's the kind of shady practice that everyone believes happens everywhere but there are some good OPCs out there who don't really do this sort of thing.Also, how long before build does the spec need to be finalised? And, if you were to cancel an order after the spec for your car is locked, do you lose your deposit?
The reason I'm asking is because I'm interested in how the incentives work in this type of situation, and why an order that gets cancelled before the build date wouldn't simply result in the build slot being re-allocated to someone else.
Build is finalised roughly 8 weeks prior to build, and if you cancel after the spec is locked I believe you lose your deposit unless the OPC are feeling generous.
If you cancel prior to spec lock then the OPC will either spec the car themselves for stock, and sell the car at list, or re-allocate it to another buyer.
CloudStuff said:
Looks a great car at a good price, considering how much has been invested into it. Shame it's not a PDK MadCaptainJack said:
av185 said:
The cab could well be a cancelled order.
So, in that instance, who would the extra £60,000 go to? I assume it's not the person who cancelled the order, which leaves the dealer or Porsche GB. Also, how long before build does the spec need to be finalised? And, if you were to cancel an order after the spec for your car is locked, do you lose your deposit?
The reason I'm asking is because I'm interested in how the incentives work in this type of situation, and why an order that gets cancelled before the build date wouldn't simply result in the build slot being re-allocated to someone else.
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