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ker emoji:lsb said:
Very good point re: using the GT3 engine. That would certainly add to the appeal and help justify a high asking price. The big question is will they ? I would like to see them do it rather than upgrade the 4L from the GT4 but it would be an out of character move. I am sure that there have been some very interesting conversations within the GT department about how this will pan out.
I really hope that they go all in on this project but I find it hard to believe that they will let a GT4RS match/outperform a 991.2 GT3 on track. Anything more than that will put the cat amongst the pigeons.
Ehresmann has put a modified GT3 Engine in his 981 Clubsport with Sadev sequential box, and reports the engine runs cooler in the 981 than in a GT3. It needs a special ECU of course to rev higher than 8150 rpm.I really hope that they go all in on this project but I find it hard to believe that they will let a GT4RS match/outperform a 991.2 GT3 on track. Anything more than that will put the cat amongst the pigeons.
Interesting thread.
Have seen the spy shots and was interested on pricing and engine spec.
So seemingly no motor sport engine which means at the price point with options it'll put it right there with a 991.2 GT3 that has that glorious sound. Then again the GT4 will have ( for some) the all important RS badge.
Interesting one
Have seen the spy shots and was interested on pricing and engine spec.
So seemingly no motor sport engine which means at the price point with options it'll put it right there with a 991.2 GT3 that has that glorious sound. Then again the GT4 will have ( for some) the all important RS badge.
Interesting one
Yep, my guess:
- 450bhp(ish) from the current GT4 4.0 engine gained by a slight torque increase and a few more revs
- PDK-S only as used in the GT3, no manual option
- No major suspension changes from the GT4, maybe a bit lower and some PASM tweaks
- Increased aero, naturally
- The air intake from the Clubsport, hence the rear quarter louvres
- The same 5-stud wheels as the GT4, no centrelocks
Twinfan said:
Yep, my guess:
Many tks. - 450bhp(ish) from the current GT4 4.0 engine gained by a slight torque increase and a few more revs
- PDK-S only as used in the GT3, no manual option
- No major suspension changes from the GT4, maybe a bit lower and some PASM tweaks
- Increased aero, naturally
- The air intake from the Clubsport, hence the rear quarter louvres
- The same 5-stud wheels as the GT4, no centrelocks
Do you think the louvres from the front wings on the GT3 RS will be carried over to the gt4 or the rear ones will be used? Personally i like the front ones.
Magnesium roof i dont suppose will make the cut ?
Could be a great car and depending on economics also a good money spinner for Porsche if they ever sell a few
No wing louvres in my opinion, just the rear window ones to allow increased airflow to the air box. There will be NACA ducts on the bonnet by the look of it though. Probably a tweaked rear wing, slightly higher and larger probably. No magnesium roof of Weissach Pack I don't think, maybe a few carbon bits knocking about but that will be it. The latest spy shot below will be pretty much how the car will look, Porsche are creatures of habit and the final mules are usually almost identical to the final production cars.
All IMHO opinion of course, other opinions are available
All IMHO opinion of course, other opinions are available
Twinfan said:
No wing louvres in my opinion, just the rear window ones to allow increased airflow to the air box. There will be NACA ducts on the bonnet by the look of it though. Probably a tweaked rear wing, slightly higher and larger probably. No magnesium roof of Weissach Pack I don't think, maybe a few carbon bits knocking about but that will be it. The latest spy shot below will be pretty much how the car will look, Porsche are creatures of habit and the final mules are usually almost identical to the final production cars.
All IMHO opinion of course, other opinions are available
Cheers . I'm a fan although the chances of me getting one are pretty much zero as i don't have much of a history of lining an OPC's pockets. All IMHO opinion of course, other opinions are available
Friend of mine said by the time the Gt4 RS comes out the 991.2 is likely to be worse case at the same money and for that you get that engine and the option of manual. Maybe that's to miss the point though.
Will be an interesting 18 months till (if) they are seen in the flesh
Twinfan said:
They'll be very low production, and one for the "best" customers at each OPC only I suspect.
Prepare for the flipping...
hahah yes for sure. Prepare for the flipping...
Shame as i'd drive the wheels off it if i got one as i did my 981 GT4 but ive no recent history so actually driving these cars counts for nothing
You are really really going to have to want one of these to pay the same money as a 991.2 GT3 to get less power, less special engine, and strut based rear suspension. At the expected price point... it needs to be much more sophisticated... but there is no space for this and also no guide for it from the race programme... will they adopt the Autoquest solution?
It will be in an odd position as well, as Porsche never usually do the regular GT car and the RS at the same time. They do the 'vanilla' first and then close that production and then do the RS. So with regular GT4 production running until late next year or maybe 2022.. who knows when it will appear.
Also RS usually takes you a step closer to the race car. The race car isn't due for full refresh until end of next year, as they are on a 3 year commitment to motorsport customers.
They might decide that actually RS for the GT4 is a proper light-weighting job and use the natural fibre body panels that the race car has - vs carbon fibre. That would be a refreshing take.
Basically a bunch of unknowns.
If i was offered one - I'd take it - but I won't be actively hunting for one... and definitely no overs or back massages... too many other options... GT3, GT3 RS, 600LT - all seem to be a better step to me.
It will be in an odd position as well, as Porsche never usually do the regular GT car and the RS at the same time. They do the 'vanilla' first and then close that production and then do the RS. So with regular GT4 production running until late next year or maybe 2022.. who knows when it will appear.
Also RS usually takes you a step closer to the race car. The race car isn't due for full refresh until end of next year, as they are on a 3 year commitment to motorsport customers.
They might decide that actually RS for the GT4 is a proper light-weighting job and use the natural fibre body panels that the race car has - vs carbon fibre. That would be a refreshing take.
Basically a bunch of unknowns.
If i was offered one - I'd take it - but I won't be actively hunting for one... and definitely no overs or back massages... too many other options... GT3, GT3 RS, 600LT - all seem to be a better step to me.
Edited by TDT on Thursday 25th June 12:20
Twinfan said:
No wing louvres in my opinion, just the rear window ones to allow increased airflow to the air box. There will be NACA ducts on the bonnet by the look of it though. Probably a tweaked rear wing, slightly higher and larger probably. No magnesium roof of Weissach Pack I don't think, maybe a few carbon bits knocking about but that will be it. The latest spy shot below will be pretty much how the car will look, Porsche are creatures of habit and the final mules are usually almost identical to the final production cars.
All IMHO opinion of course, other opinions are available
Pardon my stupidity but what is the purpose of the NACA ducts in the bonnet? Assuming the smiley face GT4/Spyder front end is carried over does it need more radiator cooling than that? All IMHO opinion of course, other opinions are available
bigmowley said:
Pardon my stupidity but what is the purpose of the NACA ducts in the bonnet? Assuming the smiley face GT4/Spyder front end is carried over does it need more radiator cooling than that?
they feel air to the front brake disks. pretty cool and it means you don't need the flap under the car which cause drag and affect down force.it's a triple win and very cool.
price won't be as high as people expect imo £15k on top on a GT4 would be my guess. So £90k plus options that's £21k less than a GT3.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 25th June 12:13
Porsche911R said:
they feel air to the front brake disks. pretty cool and it means you don't need the flap under the car which cause drag and affect down force.
it's a triple win and very cool.
price won't be as high as people expect imo £15k on top on a GT4 would be my guess. So £90k plus options that's £21k less than a GT3.
What would you buy at the time though the GT4 RS or a used 991.2 gt3 for the same cash ? it's a triple win and very cool.
price won't be as high as people expect imo £15k on top on a GT4 would be my guess. So £90k plus options that's £21k less than a GT3.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 25th June 12:13
I think its a tough call but i dont doubt being the 1st Cayman RS the world will want one
GT3Manthey said:
Porsche911R said:
they feel air to the front brake disks. pretty cool and it means you don't need the flap under the car which cause drag and affect down force.
it's a triple win and very cool.
price won't be as high as people expect imo £15k on top on a GT4 would be my guess. So £90k plus options that's £21k less than a GT3.
What would you buy at the time though the GT4 RS or a used 991.2 gt3 for the same cash ? it's a triple win and very cool.
price won't be as high as people expect imo £15k on top on a GT4 would be my guess. So £90k plus options that's £21k less than a GT3.
Edited by Porsche911R on Thursday 25th June 12:13
I think its a tough call but i dont doubt being the 1st Cayman RS the world will want one
a nice low miles manual mint GT3 is still £135k, I expect the GT4 RS to be £90k plus lets go mad and add £15k options, still a £30k gap in prices.
I cannot fault the manual 991.2 GT3, But I love the way the GT4 RS might be all be it's PDK and really then for lapping tracks.
I think the 991.2 GT3 in manual is just one of those rare cars Porsche got right with maybe the best engine they have ever done also.
Porsche911R said:
it's not the same cash !
a nice low miles manual mint GT3 is still £135k, I expect the GT4 RS to be £90k plus lets go mad and add £15k options, still a £30k gap in prices.
I cannot fault the manual 991.2 GT3, But I love the way the GT4 RS might be all be it's PDK and really then for lapping tracks.
I think the 991.2 GT3 in manual is just one of those rare cars Porsche got right with maybe the best engine they have ever done also.
Sorry i did say/mean USED gt3 where one has sold on SOR with a dealer at 120k so minus the dealer comm its probably 115 net to the seller so puts it in the same ball park.a nice low miles manual mint GT3 is still £135k, I expect the GT4 RS to be £90k plus lets go mad and add £15k options, still a £30k gap in prices.
I cannot fault the manual 991.2 GT3, But I love the way the GT4 RS might be all be it's PDK and really then for lapping tracks.
I think the 991.2 GT3 in manual is just one of those rare cars Porsche got right with maybe the best engine they have ever done also.
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10564323?u...
By the time this car comes out the chances are the gt3 will be under list.
Quite surprised to see 718 GT4's offered below list now esp this one at list-
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10595044?u...
Edited by GT3Manthey on Thursday 25th June 13:21
GT3Manthey said:
Sorry i did say/mean USED gt3 where one has sold on SOR with a dealer at 120k so minus the dealer comm its probably 115 net to the seller so puts it in the same ball park.
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10564323?u...
By the time this car comes out the chances are the gt3 will be under list.
Quite surprised to see 718 GT4's offered below list now esp this one at list-
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10595044?u...
pointless talking trade prices imo unless you are buying and selling all your cars in the trade at trade prices.https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10564323?u...
By the time this car comes out the chances are the gt3 will be under list.
Quite surprised to see 718 GT4's offered below list now esp this one at list-
https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/10595044?u...
the red GT3 has not got PCCB and few options so at £119k that's would go vs anew GT4 RS at £95k so still a £25k gap which is quite big.
718 GT4 should be £5k under list imo they are not selling at overs and 20+ cars on the market.
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