GT4 RS breaks cover then...
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julian987R said:
seawise said:
Good for you, I wasn’t pointing the finger at you specifically, but someone else who is a self appointed guru of all matters Porsche GT/sportscar on PH - i am not dressing it up, i am conscious having read the article why it was marked down on a test that has no track element to it.
Put it this way, it’s the only car in that group that i yearn to own. The rest are rather dull as one would expect given it’s a reflection on what was launched in 2022.
Assuming that is an impolite dig, I am merely questioning the noise level - which I believe would not be a sustainable pleasant experience for long periods of time … and in effect it makes the car, in time, once the novelty has worn off, a frustrating car to drive, nuisance on the ears, and all around irritating experience. I suspect it is a five minute wonder, but of those five minutes, nothing comes close to it. Never once have I questioned its epic’ness.Put it this way, it’s the only car in that group that i yearn to own. The rest are rather dull as one would expect given it’s a reflection on what was launched in 2022.
Happy to answer your noise level question, as I actually have one. There's no disputing this car is loud, very loud especially between 7-9k. Are you, or anyone, going to drive in this rev range for long periods of time? No. In normal road driving it's not dissimilar to the GT4 for noise level until about 4-5k. I'm also running a JCR on my 4RS which adds an improved quality to the sound too. I'm perfectly happy driving to trackdays and infact, I look forward to it as the sense of occasion and theatre this car gives is on another level entirely. That's what this is all about.
anonymous said:
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Fair. The 4RS is a track tool that is civilised when you need it to be, but as I've mentioned, its no daily driver. Most people will have other cars for for weekend blasting through Wales etc. A Spyder with a slightly softer suspension over the GT4 would be the ideal companion for that imo 23wn_4f2 said:
Fair. The 4RS is a track tool that is civilised when you need it to be, but as I've mentioned, its no daily driver. Most people will have other cars for for weekend blasting through Wales etc. A Spyder with a slightly softer suspension over the GT4 would be the ideal companion for that imo
Yep, I agree. If you are in the right frame of mind and have the correct exceptions…it is fine. It’s not the cars fault per se…. Right tool for the right job.As I mentioned before… I wonder what this will mean for the Spyder RS though?! And then does that open the door for a more road biased ‘4RS’ with manual? We know Porsche love to milk a concept.
TDT said:
Yep, I agree. If you are in the right frame of mind and have the correct exceptions…it is fine. It’s not the cars fault per se…. Right tool for the right job.
As I mentioned before… I wonder what this will mean for the Spyder RS though?! And then does that open the door for a more road biased ‘4RS’ with manual? We know Porsche love to milk a concept.
What 'box would they use though? Take a chance on the current one holding up and suck up the cost of any failures? Not the Porsche way.As I mentioned before… I wonder what this will mean for the Spyder RS though?! And then does that open the door for a more road biased ‘4RS’ with manual? We know Porsche love to milk a concept.
Twinfan said:
TDT said:
Yep, I agree. If you are in the right frame of mind and have the correct exceptions…it is fine. It’s not the cars fault per se…. Right tool for the right job.
As I mentioned before… I wonder what this will mean for the Spyder RS though?! And then does that open the door for a more road biased ‘4RS’ with manual? We know Porsche love to milk a concept.
What 'box would they use though? Take a chance on the current one holding up and suck up the cost of any failures? Not the Porsche way.As I mentioned before… I wonder what this will mean for the Spyder RS though?! And then does that open the door for a more road biased ‘4RS’ with manual? We know Porsche love to milk a concept.
New gearbox is cheaper than developing a new engine and they did that for 718 GT4… which they then ran into Spyder and 4.0 GTS.
I take APs reason about the existing box not being able to spin fast enough for 9k rpm… in the same way as he said the GT3 engine couldn’t work in the Cayster. It was true at the exact minute he said it. Lol. As for any moment after… anything is possible.
Edited by TDT on Thursday 8th December 10:30
TDT said:
Maybe they do a ‘new manual box’… run it over two models… Spyder ‘RS’ and Cayman R(4RS road biased)
New gearbox is cheaper than developing a new engine and they did that for 718 GT4… which they then ran into Spyder and 4.0 GTS.
I take APs reason about the existing box not being able to spin fast enough for 9k rpm… in the same way as he said the GT3 engine couldn’t work in the Cayster. It was true at the exact minute he said it. Lol. As for any moment after… anything is possible.
I guess so, but it's not many units to recover the cost over and the end of ICE is near.New gearbox is cheaper than developing a new engine and they did that for 718 GT4… which they then ran into Spyder and 4.0 GTS.
I take APs reason about the existing box not being able to spin fast enough for 9k rpm… in the same way as he said the GT3 engine couldn’t work in the Cayster. It was true at the exact minute he said it. Lol. As for any moment after… anything is possible.
I'm gonna say it won't happen and the Spyder RS will be PDK only.
Twinfan said:
TDT said:
Maybe they do a ‘new manual box’… run it over two models… Spyder ‘RS’ and Cayman R(4RS road biased)
New gearbox is cheaper than developing a new engine and they did that for 718 GT4… which they then ran into Spyder and 4.0 GTS.
I take APs reason about the existing box not being able to spin fast enough for 9k rpm… in the same way as he said the GT3 engine couldn’t work in the Cayster. It was true at the exact minute he said it. Lol. As for any moment after… anything is possible.
I guess so, but it's not many units to recover the cost over and the end of ICE is near.New gearbox is cheaper than developing a new engine and they did that for 718 GT4… which they then ran into Spyder and 4.0 GTS.
I take APs reason about the existing box not being able to spin fast enough for 9k rpm… in the same way as he said the GT3 engine couldn’t work in the Cayster. It was true at the exact minute he said it. Lol. As for any moment after… anything is possible.
I'm gonna say it won't happen and the Spyder RS will be PDK only.
I remember vowing to eat a hat that Porsche would never give a Cayman 500hp. Hat didn’t taste nice.
So I can't find a dealership that will sell me a GT4RS, so I've had to order 2 cars to meet my motoring needs (both coming next year). One of them has just either actually sold for a crazy price or the dealership has been asked to take it down. If crazy price is real, I'm going to have to let it go and maybe get a 718 GT4 with some Manthey upgrades?
TDT said:
The switcheroo is funny... but a quick test on a car you never thought would be built... is quite different than living with something for a week or so, in late Autumn. Also look where the launches were... NOT ON UK ROADS and with a decent amount of track time.
I think that most people thought it would be a slam dunk... I would not have even surprised if it had won, but had my reservations, and I wrote exactly that on the EVO magazine IG post before the copies started dropping.
From having been in a couple 4RS and also driven, and also read quite a lot of other opinion. The most interesting was from Dan Prosser and Andrew Frankel @ The Intercooler. They did a back-to-back with casual GT4 on a run through Wales... whilst they were in awe of the extreme highs of the 4RS.. both preferred the casual GT4 on balance... it worked with the road surface, didn't make them deaf and crucially had a manual box.
The GT4RS is always ON, so you as a driver need to be up for it - I think is a brilliant piece of kit, BECAUSE it is extreme and for my use.. primarily track, with a few road blasts it would be perfect. Just like how you'd use a super bike.
What confuses me about the GT4RS was that it was supposed to be the "fun" car. Thats exactly how it was presented by AP at the launch. A fun car that isnt designed to have the ultimate lap time. Which means the idea that the car is basically unusable on the roads, and thats ok because its a track tool doesnt quite match up. Porsche didnt need to make it so stiffly sprung, or so loud, so once the initial novelty wears off as the case is with ECOTY, it is a somewhat flawed product. Neither ultimate track monster nor road car. Not saying it is sI think that most people thought it would be a slam dunk... I would not have even surprised if it had won, but had my reservations, and I wrote exactly that on the EVO magazine IG post before the copies started dropping.
From having been in a couple 4RS and also driven, and also read quite a lot of other opinion. The most interesting was from Dan Prosser and Andrew Frankel @ The Intercooler. They did a back-to-back with casual GT4 on a run through Wales... whilst they were in awe of the extreme highs of the 4RS.. both preferred the casual GT4 on balance... it worked with the road surface, didn't make them deaf and crucially had a manual box.
The GT4RS is always ON, so you as a driver need to be up for it - I think is a brilliant piece of kit, BECAUSE it is extreme and for my use.. primarily track, with a few road blasts it would be perfect. Just like how you'd use a super bike.
Edited by TDT on Thursday 8th December 09:28
t car btw, but I can understand why it didnt perform well.cypriot said:
TDT said:
The switcheroo is funny... but a quick test on a car you never thought would be built... is quite different than living with something for a week or so, in late Autumn. Also look where the launches were... NOT ON UK ROADS and with a decent amount of track time.
I think that most people thought it would be a slam dunk... I would not have even surprised if it had won, but had my reservations, and I wrote exactly that on the EVO magazine IG post before the copies started dropping.
From having been in a couple 4RS and also driven, and also read quite a lot of other opinion. The most interesting was from Dan Prosser and Andrew Frankel @ The Intercooler. They did a back-to-back with casual GT4 on a run through Wales... whilst they were in awe of the extreme highs of the 4RS.. both preferred the casual GT4 on balance... it worked with the road surface, didn't make them deaf and crucially had a manual box.
The GT4RS is always ON, so you as a driver need to be up for it - I think is a brilliant piece of kit, BECAUSE it is extreme and for my use.. primarily track, with a few road blasts it would be perfect. Just like how you'd use a super bike.
What confuses me about the GT4RS was that it was supposed to be the "fun" car. Thats exactly how it was presented by AP at the launch. A fun car that isnt designed to have the ultimate lap time. Which means the idea that the car is basically unusable on the roads, and thats ok because its a track tool doesnt quite match up. Porsche didnt need to make it so stiffly sprung, or so loud, so once the initial novelty wears off as the case is with ECOTY, it is a somewhat flawed product. Neither ultimate track monster nor road car. Not saying it is sI think that most people thought it would be a slam dunk... I would not have even surprised if it had won, but had my reservations, and I wrote exactly that on the EVO magazine IG post before the copies started dropping.
From having been in a couple 4RS and also driven, and also read quite a lot of other opinion. The most interesting was from Dan Prosser and Andrew Frankel @ The Intercooler. They did a back-to-back with casual GT4 on a run through Wales... whilst they were in awe of the extreme highs of the 4RS.. both preferred the casual GT4 on balance... it worked with the road surface, didn't make them deaf and crucially had a manual box.
The GT4RS is always ON, so you as a driver need to be up for it - I think is a brilliant piece of kit, BECAUSE it is extreme and for my use.. primarily track, with a few road blasts it would be perfect. Just like how you'd use a super bike.
Edited by TDT on Thursday 8th December 09:28
t car btw, but I can understand why it didnt perform well.TDT said:
Yep, I agree. If you are in the right frame of mind and have the correct exceptions…it is fine. It’s not the cars fault per se…. Right tool for the right job.
As I mentioned before… I wonder what this will mean for the Spyder RS though?! And then does that open the door for a more road biased ‘4RS’ with manual? We know Porsche love to milk a concept.
Highly unlikely that it will be manual. Numbers will be extremly low, maybe less than 1 per dealer so cant see them recouping development costs if that is the case!As I mentioned before… I wonder what this will mean for the Spyder RS though?! And then does that open the door for a more road biased ‘4RS’ with manual? We know Porsche love to milk a concept.
Dr S said:
With a somewhat different perspective it makes a lot of sense: The RS made for the special fun runs. Yes, it's extreme but that is what makes such journeys fun. It's not designed to serve as a daily driver for the many
This. It's a 'superbike' sort of car; designed for 'blasts' or runs out (with or without friends) and track use. You can 'tour' in it, or even use it day-to-day, but it's not designed for that. Having said that, I find mine to be very liveable - although I haven't had an opportunity to use it extensively yet. Either way, I'm happy. It's a fabulous thing.
Haven't EVO done track days cars of the year ?
I recall when the 981 GT4 won ECOTY, it beat the then current GT3RS ... ' says it all really.
But I'd be delighted with ECOTY '22 if I had a GR86 on order and really, the super super car unobtanium cars featured in EVO do succeed in boring me because they bear no relevance to anything that I would either own or aspire to at any price ...
The GR86 is a real world useable supercar at a real world affordable price ... just like the GR Yaris. Well done Toyota !
(I liked the look of the new Civic R until I saw the price !)
I recall when the 981 GT4 won ECOTY, it beat the then current GT3RS ... ' says it all really.
But I'd be delighted with ECOTY '22 if I had a GR86 on order and really, the super super car unobtanium cars featured in EVO do succeed in boring me because they bear no relevance to anything that I would either own or aspire to at any price ...
The GR86 is a real world useable supercar at a real world affordable price ... just like the GR Yaris. Well done Toyota !
(I liked the look of the new Civic R until I saw the price !)
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