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bigmowley said:
Well finally picked mine up tonight at 6.00PM after a lot of serious waiting 
I’ve got the first trackday two weeks tomorrow so I need to pull my finger out and get it run in, geo set and change the pads.
First 150 miles done tonight.which basically involved driving from one end of the Island :
To the other:
Twice.
Bloody hell these things are raw. They are about as far removed from a GT4 as a GT4 is from a Dacia Sandero.
It’s an ADHD animal, even in the slowest quietest mode it just wants to bite the postman. I am amazed that we can buy cars this raw in 2023. I am not sure what to make of it yet. After 150 miles my ears are ringing! Flat chat it will need earplugs. The gearing is proper low, I’ve tried to change into 8th gear about 10 times already. The gearshift and the blips are mega quick, I am not sure it has a flywheel at all!
Off to bed, get another couple of hundred miles on it tomorrow.
Nice, enjoy!I’ve got the first trackday two weeks tomorrow so I need to pull my finger out and get it run in, geo set and change the pads.
First 150 miles done tonight.which basically involved driving from one end of the Island :
To the other:
Twice.
Bloody hell these things are raw. They are about as far removed from a GT4 as a GT4 is from a Dacia Sandero.
It’s an ADHD animal, even in the slowest quietest mode it just wants to bite the postman. I am amazed that we can buy cars this raw in 2023. I am not sure what to make of it yet. After 150 miles my ears are ringing! Flat chat it will need earplugs. The gearing is proper low, I’ve tried to change into 8th gear about 10 times already. The gearshift and the blips are mega quick, I am not sure it has a flywheel at all!
Off to bed, get another couple of hundred miles on it tomorrow.
Is there a better way to run a car in? Lovely Sunday morning, roads quiet, and multiple trips over the derestricted “mountain”
It is a superb car. Once you get going all the low speed bugbears just disappear. Yes it’s incredibly stiff but the composure in the fast sweeping stuff is immense, it does get a touch unsettled at the rear over big mid corner bumps but not in a scary way. The noise as cayman RS23 said is not an issue in any way once you are on it. It’s nice to hear it burbling away behind you. My ears are still ringing though
I have not been over 5500RPM yet but I suspect that it’s nearly as quick over the ground in the mid range as it is flat out, the low end torque is just brilliant especially pulling such low gears. I have probably pulled for 8th about 300 times now!!!
It is a great car to bond with, even at low speed there are lots of subtleties that are fun to get used to. I am driving Mrs BigM around at the moment so trying to be smooth and quiet is quite a challenge. It’s got real soul and character this car.
Incidentally in firm use brakes sound like they have just finished a six hour endurance race, rumbling and grumbling away. There are also a myriad of squeaks and groans already. Especially a big boing from the front springs every now and again, presumably as the helper spring reseats? Bloody love it.
It is a superb car. Once you get going all the low speed bugbears just disappear. Yes it’s incredibly stiff but the composure in the fast sweeping stuff is immense, it does get a touch unsettled at the rear over big mid corner bumps but not in a scary way. The noise as cayman RS23 said is not an issue in any way once you are on it. It’s nice to hear it burbling away behind you. My ears are still ringing though
I have not been over 5500RPM yet but I suspect that it’s nearly as quick over the ground in the mid range as it is flat out, the low end torque is just brilliant especially pulling such low gears. I have probably pulled for 8th about 300 times now!!!It is a great car to bond with, even at low speed there are lots of subtleties that are fun to get used to. I am driving Mrs BigM around at the moment so trying to be smooth and quiet is quite a challenge. It’s got real soul and character this car.
Incidentally in firm use brakes sound like they have just finished a six hour endurance race, rumbling and grumbling away. There are also a myriad of squeaks and groans already. Especially a big boing from the front springs every now and again, presumably as the helper spring reseats? Bloody love it.
Looks lovely, from the Creg down to that "Turning circle" at Hillberry must be the quickest bit of road on the island. Such a shame that corner is a 50(?) limit as it is a beautiful sweeping, slightly cambered bit of perfection.
If you did want to see what the car had recorded as your top speed, it stores it on the Personal Trip page.
If you did want to see what the car had recorded as your top speed, it stores it on the Personal Trip page.
If ongoing GT4 type manufacture is dedicated solely to GT4RS, then there may be plenty more coming ?
GT4RS / RS Spyder / 992 GT3 / Touring / RS / GT2 / RS with all the Weissach and Manthey options leaves Porsche with plenty to think about.
Plus the new 993 ? Going round in circles ... ?? It's almost four years since this thread started ...
GT4RS / RS Spyder / 992 GT3 / Touring / RS / GT2 / RS with all the Weissach and Manthey options leaves Porsche with plenty to think about.
Plus the new 993 ? Going round in circles ... ?? It's almost four years since this thread started ...
ChrisW. said:
If ongoing GT4 type manufacture is dedicated solely to GT4RS, then there may be plenty more coming ?
GT4RS / RS Spyder / 992 GT3 / Touring / RS / GT2 / RS with all the Weissach and Manthey options leaves Porsche with plenty to think about.
hm, then with so many they become boring...GT4RS / RS Spyder / 992 GT3 / Touring / RS / GT2 / RS with all the Weissach and Manthey options leaves Porsche with plenty to think about.
hope that statement brings down prices rapidly, so I can buy one in the far milky way galaxy future
ChrisW. said:
If ongoing GT4 type manufacture is dedicated solely to GT4RS, then there may be plenty more coming ?
GT4RS / RS Spyder / 992 GT3 / Touring / RS / GT2 / RS with all the Weissach and Manthey options leaves Porsche with plenty to think about.
Plus the new 993 ? Going round in circles ... ?? It's almost four years since this thread started ...
I think the supply situation is quite a complex one. Whilst Porsche would love to build plenty of RS cars I think in the EU and here the company average CO2 emission legislation presents quite a problem. The RS products are some of the most polluting products on sale today. I think my 4RS is 299g/Km. This doesn’t sit well with a mandatory 95g/Km fleet average. “Just sell more electric cars then”. Not sure that that’s going well for VW group at the moment. This must be causing massive headaches for the product mix planners. Certainly by the year end I would expect to see a glut of pre registered electric cars along with very few high emission vehicles being delivered. This would follow the pattern of previous years.GT4RS / RS Spyder / 992 GT3 / Touring / RS / GT2 / RS with all the Weissach and Manthey options leaves Porsche with plenty to think about.
Plus the new 993 ? Going round in circles ... ?? It's almost four years since this thread started ...
I think they are still sending RS product to other markets where there are no company average legislation (USA?) in big numbers.
RS Spyder is mighty quiet. My OPC is expecting nothing until next year.
bigmowley said:
I think the supply situation is quite a complex one. Whilst Porsche would love to build plenty of RS cars I think in the EU and here the company average CO2 emission legislation presents quite a problem. The RS products are some of the most polluting products on sale today. I think my 4RS is 299g/Km. This doesn’t sit well with a mandatory 95g/Km fleet average. “Just sell more electric cars then”. Not sure that that’s going well for VW group at the moment. This must be causing massive headaches for the product mix planners. Certainly by the year end I would expect to see a glut of pre registered electric cars along with very few high emission vehicles being delivered. This would follow the pattern of previous years.
I think they are still sending RS product to other markets where there are no company average legislation (USA?) in big numbers.
RS Spyder is mighty quiet. My OPC is expecting nothing until next year.
Pretty much my understanding of the situation also, which is a shame - especially as they are now realising what a folly BEV really are - and certainly not a solution for the masses. Scandal really.I think they are still sending RS product to other markets where there are no company average legislation (USA?) in big numbers.
RS Spyder is mighty quiet. My OPC is expecting nothing until next year.
TDT said:
Pretty much my understanding of the situation also, which is a shame - especially as they are now realising what a folly BEV really are - and certainly not a solution for the masses. Scandal really.
Absolutely T. It has amazed me that the manufacturers haven’t pushed back before now and said this is crazy what we are doing. Driving through Europe recently I counted less than 5 EV’s on the hundreds of motorway miles I did. It was stark how few there were. For what most people want, the RS is a pointless car
The GT4 is arguably even more pointless as it has more drone on the road, lacks the “thrill” of the noise, and it’s suspension is just as naff on the road
At least the RS has the noise, so if someone is fairly slow on track, they can claim to be enjoying the sound. The GT4 doesn’t have that claim
Unless you’re battering a track, get a GTS if you want the 4L engine. The aero on the GT4 is minimal as well. On the road, these cars are useless - they can’t be used properly and legally, and ride poorly over bumpy roads
Hankering after the GT versions is just not worth it unless you’re into track days
Best car available right now for a road/track mix would be a 981 GT4 with gearbox mod to reduce the gearing. Some basic mods get it to 420bhp. It sounds better too
The GT4 is arguably even more pointless as it has more drone on the road, lacks the “thrill” of the noise, and it’s suspension is just as naff on the road
At least the RS has the noise, so if someone is fairly slow on track, they can claim to be enjoying the sound. The GT4 doesn’t have that claim
Unless you’re battering a track, get a GTS if you want the 4L engine. The aero on the GT4 is minimal as well. On the road, these cars are useless - they can’t be used properly and legally, and ride poorly over bumpy roads
Hankering after the GT versions is just not worth it unless you’re into track days
Best car available right now for a road/track mix would be a 981 GT4 with gearbox mod to reduce the gearing. Some basic mods get it to 420bhp. It sounds better too
bigmowley said:
I think the supply situation is quite a complex one. Whilst Porsche would love to build plenty of RS cars I think in the EU and here the company average CO2 emission legislation presents quite a problem. The RS products are some of the most polluting products on sale today. I think my 4RS is 299g/Km. This doesn’t sit well with a mandatory 95g/Km fleet average. “Just sell more electric cars then”. Not sure that that’s going well for VW group at the moment. This must be causing massive headaches for the product mix planners. Certainly by the year end I would expect to see a glut of pre registered electric cars along with very few high emission vehicles being delivered. This would follow the pattern of previous years.
I think they are still sending RS product to other markets where there are no company average legislation (USA?) in big numbers.
RS Spyder is mighty quiet. My OPC is expecting nothing until next year.
PAG production numbers probably suggest that above bolded bit isn't really the case. PAG made 300+k cars last year. The total number of RS or even GT cars made in a year would hardly number much more than 10-15k, if that. The co2 associated with a 4rs or 992rs at ~300g/km isn't even all that much more than some of the higher end non hybrid Cayennes which PAG cheerily sell in their tens of thousands and the profit margins on one of them might well be higher as well compared to a RS/GT car. I think they are still sending RS product to other markets where there are no company average legislation (USA?) in big numbers.
RS Spyder is mighty quiet. My OPC is expecting nothing until next year.
Whatever the reason for Porsche not building plenty of RS cars that they may or may not love to do so, it doesn't obviously look like it's really down to wanting to comply with average emission legislation I'd say....
caymanRS23 said:
For what most people want, the RS is a pointless car
The GT4 is arguably even more pointless as it has more drone on the road, lacks the “thrill” of the noise, and it’s suspension is just as naff on the road
At least the RS has the noise, so if someone is fairly slow on track, they can claim to be enjoying the sound. The GT4 doesn’t have that claim
Unless you’re battering a track, get a GTS if you want the 4L engine. The aero on the GT4 is minimal as well. On the road, these cars are useless - they can’t be used properly and legally, and ride poorly over bumpy roads
Hankering after the GT versions is just not worth it unless you’re into track days
Best car available right now for a road/track mix would be a 981 GT4 with gearbox mod to reduce the gearing. Some basic mods get it to 420bhp. It sounds better too
I think a lot of 718 Gt4 sold were bought for kudos ie CS pack for boasting down the pub or a run to the shops, 90% will never see a track.The GT4 is arguably even more pointless as it has more drone on the road, lacks the “thrill” of the noise, and it’s suspension is just as naff on the road
At least the RS has the noise, so if someone is fairly slow on track, they can claim to be enjoying the sound. The GT4 doesn’t have that claim
Unless you’re battering a track, get a GTS if you want the 4L engine. The aero on the GT4 is minimal as well. On the road, these cars are useless - they can’t be used properly and legally, and ride poorly over bumpy roads
Hankering after the GT versions is just not worth it unless you’re into track days
Best car available right now for a road/track mix would be a 981 GT4 with gearbox mod to reduce the gearing. Some basic mods get it to 420bhp. It sounds better too
As said the GTS is the much better fit for the 90% of 718 Gt4 owners although if going soft top I would go manual 718 Spyder over the Boxster Gts.
Manual 718 has same gearing as 981 so engine mods are all that’s needed to give the 981 the edge over 718
bigmowley said:
I think the supply situation is quite a complex one. Whilst Porsche would love to build plenty of RS cars I think in the EU and here the company average CO2 emission legislation presents quite a problem. The RS products are some of the most polluting products on sale today. I think my 4RS is 299g/Km. This doesn’t sit well with a mandatory 95g/Km fleet average. “Just sell more electric cars then”. Not sure that that’s going well for VW group at the moment. This must be causing massive headaches for the product mix planners. Certainly by the year end I would expect to see a glut of pre registered electric cars along with very few high emission vehicles being delivered. This would follow the pattern of previous years.
I think they are still sending RS product to other markets where there are no company average legislation (USA?) in big numbers.
RS Spyder is mighty quiet. My OPC is expecting nothing until next year.
I was told that a big portion of the increase in prices was to make up for the fines they have to pay for not meeting emissions targets. So in theroy if people are prepared to pay the increase in cost of a new car they can build as many as they want!I think they are still sending RS product to other markets where there are no company average legislation (USA?) in big numbers.
RS Spyder is mighty quiet. My OPC is expecting nothing until next year.
GT4P said:
caymanRS23 said:
For what most people want, the RS is a pointless car
The GT4 is arguably even more pointless as it has more drone on the road, lacks the “thrill” of the noise, and it’s suspension is just as naff on the road
At least the RS has the noise, so if someone is fairly slow on track, they can claim to be enjoying the sound. The GT4 doesn’t have that claim
Unless you’re battering a track, get a GTS if you want the 4L engine. The aero on the GT4 is minimal as well. On the road, these cars are useless - they can’t be used properly and legally, and ride poorly over bumpy roads
Hankering after the GT versions is just not worth it unless you’re into track days
Best car available right now for a road/track mix would be a 981 GT4 with gearbox mod to reduce the gearing. Some basic mods get it to 420bhp. It sounds better too
I think a lot of 718 Gt4 sold were bought for kudos ie CS pack for boasting down the pub or a run to the shops, 90% will never see a track.The GT4 is arguably even more pointless as it has more drone on the road, lacks the “thrill” of the noise, and it’s suspension is just as naff on the road
At least the RS has the noise, so if someone is fairly slow on track, they can claim to be enjoying the sound. The GT4 doesn’t have that claim
Unless you’re battering a track, get a GTS if you want the 4L engine. The aero on the GT4 is minimal as well. On the road, these cars are useless - they can’t be used properly and legally, and ride poorly over bumpy roads
Hankering after the GT versions is just not worth it unless you’re into track days
Best car available right now for a road/track mix would be a 981 GT4 with gearbox mod to reduce the gearing. Some basic mods get it to 420bhp. It sounds better too
As said the GTS is the much better fit for the 90% of 718 Gt4 owners although if going soft top I would go manual 718 Spyder over the Boxster Gts.
Manual 718 has same gearing as 981 so engine mods are all that’s needed to give the 981 the edge over 718
caymanRS23 said:
For what most people want, the RS is a pointless car
The GT4 is arguably even more pointless as it has more drone on the road, lacks the “thrill” of the noise, and it’s suspension is just as naff on the road
At least the RS has the noise, so if someone is fairly slow on track, they can claim to be enjoying the sound. The GT4 doesn’t have that claim
Unless you’re battering a track, get a GTS if you want the 4L engine. The aero on the GT4 is minimal as well. On the road, these cars are useless - they can’t be used properly and legally, and ride poorly over bumpy roads
Hankering after the GT versions is just not worth it unless you’re into track days
Best car available right now for a road/track mix would be a 981 GT4 with gearbox mod to reduce the gearing. Some basic mods get it to 420bhp. It sounds better too
You seem to be contradicting yourself a bit there given that the 718 is just a .2 version of the 981. Engine mods alone doesn't solve the 981 GT4 having the same suspension as the 718 so it'll still be "just as naff on the road" and the re-gearing options are sub-optimal (win some, lose some), plus you lose the auto-blip feature.The GT4 is arguably even more pointless as it has more drone on the road, lacks the “thrill” of the noise, and it’s suspension is just as naff on the road
At least the RS has the noise, so if someone is fairly slow on track, they can claim to be enjoying the sound. The GT4 doesn’t have that claim
Unless you’re battering a track, get a GTS if you want the 4L engine. The aero on the GT4 is minimal as well. On the road, these cars are useless - they can’t be used properly and legally, and ride poorly over bumpy roads
Hankering after the GT versions is just not worth it unless you’re into track days
Best car available right now for a road/track mix would be a 981 GT4 with gearbox mod to reduce the gearing. Some basic mods get it to 420bhp. It sounds better too
All GT cars are pointless on the road, but so are Turbos/GTSs/etc. They all have way more power, speed and handling than you can enjoy legally.
Twinfan said:
You seem to be contradicting yourself a bit there given that the 718 is just a .2 version of the 981. Engine mods alone doesn't solve the 981 GT4 having the same suspension as the 718 so it'll still be "just as naff on the road" and the re-gearing options are sub-optimal (win some, lose some), plus you lose the auto-blip feature.
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The 981 and 718 are alike (bar the engine)but with engine mods on the 981 imo it has the edge over the 718 as no GPF.
GT4P said:
The 981 and 718 are alike (bar the engine)but with engine mods on the 981 imo it has the edge over the 718 as no GPF
Maybe for sound, which is subjective, but you can't then run an OPC warranty for 15 years unlike the 718. I think the 718 4.0 is potentially a bit punchier lower down too.Yer pays yer money and takes yer choice...
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