Premium Offered For My GT4

[Porsche911R]

Taffy66 said:

I can't help it if i take children running in front of a car on the road as a potential real life risk.
In terms of comparing Michelin Cups and MP4Ss in their wet roads emergency behaviour they're night and day IME and IMMHO..!

Edited by Taffy66 on Tuesday 19th November 14:01

isaldiri is being a bit of a ***** all told.

PS4S is an amazing wet weather tyre and it would out brake a car on dry roads over cheap winter tyres on dry days.

when you live central you can get away with not running pure winter tyres as a PS4S will outperform a winter tyres 80% of the time any way.

unless you leave for work early or live in Scotland a PS4S will get you though and if it snows stay at home ;-)

A CUP 2 in winter in the wrong conditions is just irresponsible for the reasons given. As you cannot drive to be safe really.

[isaldiri]

Porsche911R said:

isaldiri is being a bit of a ***** all told.

coming from you of all people that's a bit rich!

[Yellow491]

;)

isaldiri said:

Porsche911R said:

isaldiri is being a bit of a ***** all told.

coming from you of all people that's a bit rich!

Winter tyres go on the cayenne tomorow,first salt st on the roads,cars locked away.

[JayK12]

I drove an Exige 410 at Silverstone at 9am on Cup2 tyres, it was very cold, and extremely wet. I thought the Cup2 did well, yeah we were sliding around but you just drove it to the conditions as mentioned.

My daily is RWD and is on PS4 which are also a summer tyre, I drive b roads and at 6am this morning at -1 degrees I drove it differently (smooter, no kick down etc) and it was fine, if i drove it like i would in the summer i'd be in a hedge.

I've had a daily with r888's, and the only tie i got stuck was when it snowed alot, and aquaplaning in heavy rain to which i slowed down and made it home alive.

I'm with isaldiri on this one, if your gonna drive like it's summer on any summer tyre in any car, in the UK at winter then expect the worst, unless your Tommi Makinen.

[lemmingjames]

Cheib said:

Handbag stayed firmly shut as we cruised round Silverstone with any attempt at pushing on met by a loss of traction.

So you had a choice of drifting (controlled sliding/driver control), someone elses car on a circuit and you passed on the opportunity?

[bigmowley]

Porsche911R said:

bigmowley said:

Porsche911R said:

there was no grip ! , it was dangerous, that was my point. even doing a U-turn at 4 mph the car understeered and pushed forward !!


Understeer at 4mph I would have thought an expert like yourself would be fully conversant with an Ackerman geometry steering set up and it’s effect on tyre scrub. Try using a little less lock next time when conditions are so bad!

[FTW]

bigmowley said:

Porsche911R said:

bigmowley said:

Porsche911R said:

there was no grip ! , it was dangerous, that was my point. even doing a U-turn at 4 mph the car understeered and pushed forward !!


Understeer at 4mph I would have thought an expert like yourself would be fully conversant with an Ackerman geometry steering set up and it’s effect on tyre scrub. Try using a little less lock next time when conditions are so bad!

Or..... Full lock, both paddles in, rev to 8k, let go of paddles. Catch it at 180 degrees.

Hey-presto instant U-turn, no understeer, hero status achieved.

Edited by FTW on Tuesday 19th November 20:32

[johnycarrera]

Unfortunately MPS4S are not available N rated in GT4 sizes, hopefully they will be eventually (the rears are the problem)

I’ve never had any issues with cup 1 or 2 in winter, just need to slow down a bit and that was in old 911s with no traction control or anything, right foot and steering gently and they are fine..

[Cheib]

lemmingjames said:

Cheib said:

Handbag stayed firmly shut as we cruised round Silverstone with any attempt at pushing on met by a loss of traction.

So you had a choice of drifting (controlled sliding/driver control), someone elses car on a circuit and you passed on the opportunity?

I was in my own car ... and I’d spent about three hours drifting it on the PEC ice hill and kick plate in the right environment to learn how to do it (with the aim of learning precise throttle control). Even if I was in a PEC car I wouldn’t really fancy drifting on a circuit where I’d been doing half the speed of everyone else and they had fk all grip if they needed to take evasive action. You on the other hand might do.

[JayK12]

Cheib said:

lemmingjames said:

Cheib said:

Handbag stayed firmly shut as we cruised round Silverstone with any attempt at pushing on met by a loss of traction.

So you had a choice of drifting (controlled sliding/driver control), someone elses car on a circuit and you passed on the opportunity?

I was in my own car ... and I’d spent about three hours drifting it on the PEC ice hill and kick plate in the right environment to learn how to do it (with the aim of learning precise throttle control). Even if I was in a PEC car I wouldn’t really fancy drifting on a circuit where I’d been doing half the speed of everyone else and they had fk all grip if they needed to take evasive action. You on the other hand might do.

Yeah I would do too, sounds like fun, and sounds like progression, can't stay on the kick plate forever.

[lemmingjames]

JayK12 said:

Cheib said:

lemmingjames said:

Cheib said:

Handbag stayed firmly shut as we cruised round Silverstone with any attempt at pushing on met by a loss of traction.

So you had a choice of drifting (controlled sliding/driver control), someone elses car on a circuit and you passed on the opportunity?

I was in my own car ... and I’d spent about three hours drifting it on the PEC ice hill and kick plate in the right environment to learn how to do it (with the aim of learning precise throttle control). Even if I was in a PEC car I wouldn’t really fancy drifting on a circuit where I’d been doing half the speed of everyone else and they had fk all grip if they needed to take evasive action. You on the other hand might do.

Yeah I would do too, sounds like fun, and sounds like progression, can't stay on the kick plate forever.

I would as well, if the other drivers on circuit would be going fast enough to catch you then i dont think its the car itself in fault somehow. Either that or Cheib lucked out and was surrounded by driving gods on the day

[Cheib]

lemmingjames said:

I would as well, if the other drivers on circuit would be going fast enough to catch you then i dont think its the car itself in fault somehow. Either that or Cheib lucked out and was surrounded by driving gods on the day

I was the only car on Cup 2’s.....other cars like Carrera S’s etc on normal road tyres. You don’t need to be a driving god to drive those faster in those conditions....low temps, rain and new tarmac. The PEC GT2 RS lasted two laps before they gave up. Maybe you’re the driving god but I am not.

[Cheib]

JayK12 said:

Yeah I would do too, sounds like fun, and sounds like progression, can't stay on the kick plate forever.

Nope but you can learn a lot more than correcting the “kick” at 20 to 22 mph which is what I’ve done before. Catching the car and holding it in a drift for the length of the skid pad (rather than correcting it) was really fking difficult....at least I found it difficult. The kick plate is easy at the prescribed speed after a handful of attempts but do it 3 or 4 mph faster and it is fking difficult....I found out (like most people do apparently) that you have a good and a bad side at those speeds....based generally on whether you are right or left handed. The instructors can do it up to 26 mph....I couldn’t. Happy to admit it and I doubt a lot of people on here could. And if you can’t you probably shouldn’t be trying to drift a GT3 on Silverstone in the cold and wet.

[JayK12]

I drove the Exige on Cup2, cold, rain, at Silverstone the day after the drift weekend, so some corners were pretty shocking but i find Silverstone really grippy in the wet, and there were a number of GT3s flying around at a really good pace so really surprised at what you are saying.

[D.no]

TDT said:

Then book yourself onto RS day March 6th. and do some driving.

How/where? Is it open to non-RS, GT cars?

Done a quick search for this and can only find reference to past events.

Thx.

[Taffy66]

lemmingjames said:

I would as well, if the other drivers on circuit would be going fast enough to catch you then i dont think its the car itself in fault somehow. Either that or Cheib lucked out and was surrounded by driving gods on the day

I reality you don't know how the other drivers will cope if you lose it on a wet corner with one of the them hard on your tail..The problem is made much worse with Cup 2 tyres whereas the others might be on more wet friendly ones.Too many unknowns for a novice(as i am) to dice it with potentially drivers who are very experienced and know SS like the back of their hand.
Its pretty daunting to learn track work in your own PAJ when you're also distracted by the others coming up behind you in pouring wet conditions.

[NickUSA]

Mad Scientist said:

Shall we just talk about flipping and overs again?

More interesting than this.

Everyone on here is a driving god who doesn’t need to finance a car, but does because they can outperform the apr with investments. Don’t forget.

Heading to Mumsnet to start a thread about the benefits of PCCBs.

See you there, this thread has been hijacked.

Guys, the thread topic is 'Premium Offered For My GT4' not tyres!

[lemmingjames]

Topics talking about prices is so 2018, that topic bubble burst when the price bubble burst.

And any topic that was driver focussed ended up being financial discussions, so what comes around goes around and embrace that people are (or not in some cases), driving their cars once again

[lemmingjames]

Taffy66 said:

I reality you don't know how the other drivers will cope if you lose it on a wet corner with one of the them hard on your tail..The problem is made much worse with Cup 2 tyres whereas the others might be on more wet friendly ones.Too many unknowns for a novice(as i am) to dice it with potentially drivers who are very experienced and know SS like the back of their hand.
Its pretty daunting to learn track work in your own PAJ when you're also distracted by the others coming up behind you in pouring wet conditions.

Is it any different to attending any weather condition trackday?

Atleast at SS at the PEC course, youve only got 3(?) cars out on track and 2 sets of eyes looking ahead and 2 looking back

[boxsey]

D.no said:

TDT said:

Then book yourself onto RS day March 6th. and do some driving.

How/where? Is it open to non-RS, GT cars?

Done a quick search for this and can only find reference to past events.

Thx.

https://www.msvtrackdays.com/car/calendar/2020/mar...

Already fully booked but you can sign on to the reserve list.