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[Taffy66]

Cheib said:

Having had my GT3 at Silverstone last Thursday I can confirm Cup 2’s are a liability in the wet and cold...PEC instructor reckons cold is the real issue for them. As R said it’s a dangerous car in those conditions. I’ve been out with the same instructor a few times...so he knows me pretty well and is normally telling me politely to get my balls out of my handbag. Handbag stayed firmly shut as we cruised round Silverstone with any attempt at pushing on met by a loss of traction.

I'd have been the same as you Cheib..For whatever reason the 991.2GT3 on either Michelin Cups or Dunlop Maxx Race is extremely unpredictable in cold and wet conditions..I've read various Autocar etc tests which concur with this so its not just down to our driving..

[Mitch911]

Beaver said:

At last - I have finally completed counting how many times AV185 has typed “manuel” in a thread on Pistonheads.

It is a remarkable 194,694 times - although he forgot the “inverted commas” on one occasion in October 2014.

Results here:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=av185+%22manuel%...

It’s been months of work compiling the list, but I am now very “satisfied”

Cap ‘doffed’

[bigmowley]

Taffy66 said:

Cheib said:

Having had my GT3 at Silverstone last Thursday I can confirm Cup 2’s are a liability in the wet and cold...PEC instructor reckons cold is the real issue for them. As R said it’s a dangerous car in those conditions. I’ve been out with the same instructor a few times...so he knows me pretty well and is normally telling me politely to get my balls out of my handbag. Handbag stayed firmly shut as we cruised round Silverstone with any attempt at pushing on met by a loss of traction.

I'd have been the same as you Cheib..For whatever reason the 991.2GT3 on either Michelin Cups or Dunlop Maxx Race is extremely unpredictable in cold and wet conditions..I've read various Autocar etc tests which concur with this so its not just down to our driving..

I would not dispute that Cups are no fun and very tricky in the cold and damp when you are pushing on, in your case at Silverstone. However my point is that in low grip conditions driven with consideration and sensitivity on the road the car is not fundamentally dangerous and driving safely is part and parcel of the responsibility that goes with owning our toys. I actually enjoy the challenge.

[isaldiri]

Cheib said:

Having had my GT3 at Silverstone last Thursday I can confirm Cup 2’s are a liability in the wet and cold...PEC instructor reckons cold is the real issue for them. As R said it’s a dangerous car in those conditions. I’ve been out with the same instructor a few times...

Very much with bigmowley on this. You cannot be serious about it being 'a dangerous car'. Not if you are driving even vaguely sensibly to the conditions. Yes I obviously agree you can't get enough heat into a Cup2 to work like normal in current conditions but if you aren't trying to chuck the car around like you would in warm/dry conditions, they are not imo a liability. even standing water/aquaplaning that can be a real risk at speed isn't really one if one drops your speed to 60mph rather than blasting down at 70+. I've driven around on Cup2s in sleet/light snow and sub 5 degrees and funnily enough I'm still alive somehow despite some of the comments above.....

[_Superleggera_]

I was offered that JZM car a few weeks ago. Turned it away as it was a crap spec car. Only 2k worth of options if I remember correctly.

I turned my own personal allocation down on the GT4 from my OPC. I will wait for a PDK so there is actually some performance increase over the other car. I'd be even happier to wait for a GT4 RS.

I hate to break it to the flippers but the 718 GT4's will not be going for overs if at all, for very long.

[FocusRS3]

_Superleggera_ said:

I was offered that JZM car a few weeks ago. Turned it away as it was a crap spec car. Only 2k worth of options if I remember correctly.

I turned my own personal allocation down on the GT4 from my OPC. I will wait for a PDK so there is actually some performance increase over the other car. I'd be even happier to wait for a GT4 RS.

I hate to break it to the flippers but the 718 GT4's will not be going for overs if at all, for very long.

The Jzm car is how much over lost do you think ?

Crap spec too

[GT4RS]

FocusRS3 said:

_Superleggera_ said:

I was offered that JZM car a few weeks ago. Turned it away as it was a crap spec car. Only 2k worth of options if I remember correctly.

I turned my own personal allocation down on the GT4 from my OPC. I will wait for a PDK so there is actually some performance increase over the other car. I'd be even happier to wait for a GT4 RS.

I hate to break it to the flippers but the 718 GT4's will not be going for overs if at all, for very long.

The Jzm car is how much over lost do you think ?

Crap spec too

To much, anyone who is a serious buyer will be able to order a new one from a OPC.

Overs market for the gt4 will be very short lived imo.

Gt3.2 are already trading under list why would this car be any different?

[NickUSA]

Mad Scientist said:

Because it’s a newer car, and there are no allocations available?

Stupid as it is, it’s the same old boring story of supply and demand for the shiny new extravagance.

I wish there were some threads about driving the damn things.

Thread Hijack: It drives good, no actually it's bloody brilliant

[Porsche911R]

bigmowley said:

Porsche911R said:

I was out in my GT3 last Thursday it was the most unusable thing I could have taken, but was due a recall at my OPC, never went above 30 mph or above 4k revs, a horrid drive, I even cancelled a road test as the car was just not safe to drive most of last week.

the car can cope with a bit of wet , but once below 6oc and standing water, it's a very dangerous car to drive.

Taffy66

For goodness sake man up the pair of you. Just like any car, tyre, weather combination you just drive to the available grip

there was no grip ! , it was dangerous, that was my point. even doing a U-turn at 4 mph the car understeered and pushed forward !!

any one who drives a car in that weather with cup 2 is not safe, I did not get above 40 mph or over 4k revs.

I did drive it last Saturday in the damp at 7oc it was ok did 100 miles. the extra rain and a few degree drop was a BIG change for the cup2's enough to be dangerous.

[Porsche911R]

isaldiri said:

Very much with bigmowley on this. You cannot be serious about it being 'a dangerous car'. ..

I've driven around on Cup2s in sleet/light snow and sub 5 degrees .

not only is it dangerous it's ****** stupid imo. that's even if I even believe you on the 2nd line !

if some one was to enter the road no way was my car stopping. at 4 mph my car understeered on a U-turn !!! yes 4mph, it shocked me !
Any throttle or any revs over 4k the traction lights were flashing.

The difference from damp and 7oc, to 6oc and standing water was night and day.
the week before I was doing 3 figure speeds, drifting, etc etc in the damp at 7oc.

last thursday I did 9 miles 4.5 each way and It was dangerous, no other word for it.

My golf in the snow with PS4S on has more grip.

it is what it is, the rain in the midlands was HEAVY last Thursday plus the temps dropped, add both and the cars unusable imo the car sat ontop of the water !and with the temps as low as 5 or 6oc even at 4mph there was no steering at all.

I drive in the rain loads, never been on roads like it last week.

Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 19th November 09:41

[TDT]

Mad Scientist said:

Mine arrives mid December. I don’t want to just stick it in the garage until the winter has gone so I’m considering getting a second set of wheels and some PS4S.........can you get them in the right size N rated? Anyone know?

It will also allow me to flirt with satin aurum as “road wheels”! Was sorely tempted when I specced it but figured for track days with steel stoppers (and my terrible cleaning regime) they would be satin platinum regardless!

Some deliveries on mainland Europe require the buyer to purchase a second set of wheels and tyres for winter. GT4 wheels + tyres in storage.
Those cars are rolling on the Carrera S 20inch usually available on the series 718 and 991.

https://youtu.be/pv0HpjpbSw4

[Taffy66]

Porsche911R said:

there was no grip ! , it was dangerous, that was my point. even doing a U-turn at 4 mph the car understeered and pushed forward !!

any one who drives a car in that weather with cup 2 is not safe, I did not get above 40 mph or over 4k revs.

I did drive it last Saturday in the damp at 7oc it was ok did 100 miles. the extra rain and a few degree drop was a BIG change for the cup2's enough to be dangerous.

When i drove my 458 on MP4Ss last Thursday morning in torrential rain it was a revelation..I was so impressed with its wet and cold performance i'm now considering putting these same tyres in N spec on my new RS..Going ultra slowly to avoid a potential accident when driving an RS on Cups in cold wet conditions is no substitute to putting safer tyres on in the first place.

[Porsche911R]

Taffy66 said:

When i drove my 458 on MP4Ss last Thursday morning in torrential rain it was a revelation..I was so impressed with its wet and cold performance i'm now considering putting these same tyres in N spec on my new RS..Going ultra slowly to avoid a potential accident when driving an RS on Cups in cold wet conditions is no substitute to putting safer tyres on in the first place.

the PS4S in the wet defy physics :-)

one can drive with cups 2's on, but it would be stupid as there would be no avoiding a potential accident or situation if one happened within 50 foot of you lol !

we both got caught up in that weather Thursday !!! was horrendous.

I really do think my golf in the snow had more grip, than my GT3 did have last week.

I have been caught out in heavy rain on my Spa trip in the UK return, but I could do about 60mph up the M1, while not ideal it was not dangerous as you could drive to that although any long area's of standing water you did butt clench and I remember a few choice words when you loose all steering feel for a split second.

[thelostboy]

NickUSA said:

3rd Flipped 718 GT4 has appeared, dealer near Lincoln

Noticed that one.

When you say 'flipped' though, this suggests a profit is being made. Has anyone bothered to work out retail price versus what people are asking, factoring in a typical fee for SOR?

[nudgerwilliams]

Taffy66 said:

Porsche911R said:

there was no grip ! , it was dangerous, that was my point. even doing a U-turn at 4 mph the car understeered and pushed forward !!

any one who drives a car in that weather with cup 2 is not safe, I did not get above 40 mph or over 4k revs.

I did drive it last Saturday in the damp at 7oc it was ok did 100 miles. the extra rain and a few degree drop was a BIG change for the cup2's enough to be dangerous.

When i drove my 458 on MP4Ss last Thursday morning in torrential rain it was a revelation..I was so impressed with its wet and cold performance i'm now considering putting these same tyres in N spec on my new RS..Going ultra slowly to avoid a potential accident when driving an RS on Cups in cold wet conditions is no substitute to putting safer tyres on in the first place.

Spot on. Our Golf R was written off 10 days ago and two people needed hospital treatment when my wife hit a sudden snowstorm on summer tyres. Replacement Golf getting winter tyres fitted tomorrow. She wouldn't had had the accident if the car had appropriate tyres for the conditions she encountered. (No lasting damage to the two people, fortunately.)

[_Superleggera_]

FocusRS3 said:

The Jzm car is how much over lost do you think ?

Crap spec too

15k. I think.

[Taffy66]

nudgerwilliams said:

Spot on. Our Golf R was written off 10 days ago and two people needed hospital treatment when my wife hit a sudden snowstorm on summer tyres. Replacement Golf getting winter tyres fitted tomorrow. She wouldn't had had the accident if the car had appropriate tyres for the conditions she encountered. (No lasting damage to the two people, fortunately.)

Sorry to hear about this instance..For others to say its OK to drive on public roads in the wet and cold in a powerful sports car with inappropriate tyres is stupid IMO..Picture a child running across the road in front of you and you need to do an emergency stop and steering manoeuvre..The difference in the outcome on whether your GT3/458 was wearing Cups or MP4Ss doesn't bear thinking about !.
There are too many people on here who are wannabe racers with inflated egos IMO..The public highways deserves our full respect as it is full of unwanted and unexpected dangers lurking around corners.

[Cheib]

A set of winter wheels and tyres is £4800 for a GT4 on the Porsche website....money well spent if you are going to use the car in the winter. Given the tyres are probably £1200 a set by Porsche standards the wheels aren’t ridiculously expensive.

[isaldiri]

Wow now "think of the children" gets trotted out. Goodness gracious. As bigmowley said earlier - drive to the conditions for your car/tyre combination. It really is as simple as that. And a PS4S can and will still aquaplane if one thinks you can drive with impunity on what is still ultimately a summer tyre.

[Taffy66]

isaldiri said:

Wow now "think of the children" gets trotted out. Goodness gracious. As bigmowley said earlier - drive to the conditions for your car/tyre combination. It really is as simple as that. And a PS4S can and will still aquaplane if one thinks you can drive with impunity on what is still ultimately a summer tyre.

I can't help it if i take children running in front of a car on the road as a potential real life risk.
In terms of comparing Michelin Cups and MP4Ss in their wet roads emergency behaviour they're night and day IME and IMMHO..!

Edited by Taffy66 on Tuesday 19th November 14:01