Premium Offered For My GT4

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Taffy66

3,039 posts

50 months

Monday 18th November
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bigmowley said:
Taffy66

For goodness sake man up the pair of you. Just like any car, tyre, weather combination you just drive to the available grip it’s an integral part of sensible driving. Yes Cup 2 tyres are poor once the temps go down and in the wet, however it’s still an easy job; nice and smooth, early gearshifts, leave plenty of room etc etc. At least in the Porsche the throttle is easy to modulate and the engine nice and progressive low down. I have about half of my fleet on Cup 2,s and they get used all year round as and when necessary. “The cars not safe” !!!!!!!! Rubbish. What you mean is the driver is not competent. wink
You must have misread my post..To clarify i DID drive my 458 at 6.30 AM in snow and freezing temps and later on through prolonged torrential rain..FWIW despite seeing literally thousands of cars on that 150 mile jaunt i never saw another Ferrari,Lambo,Macca or GT Porsche..
I have Michelin Cup 2s on my new RS and drive it in all weathers however MP4Ss make any GT Porsche or Ferrari much safer and more usable in our typical prolonged wet and cold Winters..Both are amazing tyres however in my amateur hands i feel much safer with MP4Ss over the Winter months.

Beaver

920 posts

232 months

Monday 18th November
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av185 said:
FocusRS3 said:
So any idea when the next PDK version is to be released ?

Not sure if PDK misses the point with this car......
Although I generally prefer 'manuel' on GT Porsches, PDK could well be a good call on the GT4 as it will address the longstanding inappropriate gearbox ratio issues with the 'manuel'. Even better if PDK S although this looks doubtful imo.
At last - I have finally completed counting how many times AV185 has typed “manuel” in a thread on Pistonheads.

It is a remarkable 194,694 times - although he forgot the “inverted commas” on one occasion in October 2014.

Results here:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=av185+%22manuel%...

It’s been months of work compiling the list, but I am now very “satisfied”

Romo

101 posts

64 months

Monday 18th November
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av185 said:
Although I generally prefer 'manuel' on GT Porsches, PDK could well be a good call on the GT4 as it will address the longstanding inappropriate gearbox ratio issues with the 'manuel'. Even better if PDK S although this looks doubtful imo.

I am waiting to see what the extra cost ££ is for the PDK as is likely with the GT4 compared to the parity pricing of boxes on the GT3. Probably be c £2.5k.

There was someone from the Netherlands posting saying the Dutch PDK GT4s will be arriving late Spring into early Summer so atm it could well be the case that the UK ones will land at a similar time and I would agree with this at this early stage.
Yes, that was/is me, from the Netherlands.

I have a slot, and a signed contract on ordering the PDK version. The 718 GT4 is on order as a MT version, but will be altered into PDK ASAP. Expectation is that this is possible april 2020 (2nd quarter 2020)

ETA according contract; June 15th 2020 (FWIW)

Reason for PDK indeed the shorter ratios and my sublime PDK experience with my first Porsche ever; 981 C GTS (I have no further buying/owner history on Porsches, maybe it wil convince potential buyers with no ownership history a slot on a 718 GT4/Spyder is not a dream in the Netherlands, but I suppose it could be otherwise in different countries)



Edited by Romo on Monday 18th November 21:12

Cheib

17,222 posts

123 months

Monday 18th November
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Taffy66 said:
I was out in my GT3 last Thursday it was the most unusable thing I could have taken, but was due a recall at my OPC, never went above 30 mph or above 4k revs, a horrid drive, I even cancelled a road test as the car was just not safe to drive most of last week.

the car can cope with a bit of wet , but once below 6oc and standing water, it's a very dangerous car to drive.


Last Thursday at 6.30AM i drove my 458 through some snow and biblical rain 150 miles to Ferrari Swindon for its annual service.It had new MP4Ss K1 tyres fitted and it felt rock solid in all conditions even through standing water.The MP4Ss should be the tyre of choice for all powerful sports cars for all road use and Cup 2s kept for dry track days.
In the same conditions in my old GT3 on Dunlops i'd have turned round after 10 miles and gone back home.
I took out a Ferrari GTC4 Lusso on Pirellis for a test drive and even with 4WD it still lost traction when i put my foot down.!

Edited by Taffy66 on Monday 18th November 17:55


Edited by Taffy66 on Monday 18th November 17:58
Having had my GT3 at Silverstone last Thursday I can confirm Cup 2’s are a liability in the wet and cold...PEC instructor reckons cold is the real issue for them. As R said it’s a dangerous car in those conditions. I’ve been out with the same instructor a few times...so he knows me pretty well and is normally telling me politely to get my balls out of my handbag. Handbag stayed firmly shut as we cruised round Silverstone with any attempt at pushing on met by a loss of traction.

robj4

173 posts

105 months

Monday 18th November
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Beaver said:
At last - I have finally completed counting how many times AV185 has typed “manuel” in a thread on Pistonheads.

It is a remarkable 194,694 times - although he forgot the “inverted commas” on one occasion in October 2014.

Results here:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=av185+%22manuel%...

It’s been months of work compiling the list, but I am now very “satisfied”
Brilliant

bigmowley

610 posts

124 months

Monday 18th November
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Taffy66 said:
bigmowley said:
Taffy66

For goodness sake man up the pair of you. Just like any car, tyre, weather combination you just drive to the available grip it’s an integral part of sensible driving. Yes Cup 2 tyres are poor once the temps go down and in the wet, however it’s still an easy job; nice and smooth, early gearshifts, leave plenty of room etc etc. At least in the Porsche the throttle is easy to modulate and the engine nice and progressive low down. I have about half of my fleet on Cup 2,s and they get used all year round as and when necessary. “The cars not safe” !!!!!!!! Rubbish. What you mean is the driver is not competent. wink
You must have misread my post..To clarify i DID drive my 458 at 6.30 AM in snow and freezing temps and later on through prolonged torrential rain..FWIW despite seeing literally thousands of cars on that 150 mile jaunt i never saw another Ferrari,Lambo,Macca or GT Porsche..
I have Michelin Cup 2s on my new RS and drive it in all weathers however MP4Ss make any GT Porsche or Ferrari much safer and more usable in our typical prolonged wet and cold Winters..Both are amazing tyres however in my amateur hands i feel much safer with MP4Ss over the Winter months.
Oh all right sorry, my mistake..........., just David then hehe

bigmowley

610 posts

124 months

Monday 18th November
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Cheib said:
Taffy66 said:
I was out in my GT3 last Thursday it was the most unusable thing I could have taken, but was due a recall at my OPC, never went above 30 mph or above 4k revs, a horrid drive, I even cancelled a road test as the car was just not safe to drive most of last week.

the car can cope with a bit of wet , but once below 6oc and standing water, it's a very dangerous car to drive.


Last Thursday at 6.30AM i drove my 458 through some snow and biblical rain 150 miles to Ferrari Swindon for its annual service.It had new MP4Ss K1 tyres fitted and it felt rock solid in all conditions even through standing water.The MP4Ss should be the tyre of choice for all powerful sports cars for all road use and Cup 2s kept for dry track days.
In the same conditions in my old GT3 on Dunlops i'd have turned round after 10 miles and gone back home.
I took out a Ferrari GTC4 Lusso on Pirellis for a test drive and even with 4WD it still lost traction when i put my foot down.!

Edited by Taffy66 on Monday 18th November 17:55


Edited by Taffy66 on Monday 18th November 17:58
Having had my GT3 at Silverstone last Thursday I can confirm Cup 2’s are a liability in the wet and cold...PEC instructor reckons cold is the real issue for them. As R said it’s a dangerous car in those conditions. I’ve been out with the same instructor a few times...so he knows me pretty well and is normally telling me politely to get my balls out of my handbag. Handbag stayed firmly shut as we cruised round Silverstone with any attempt at pushing on met by a loss of traction.
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Oh hang on Cheib as well then: "it’s a dangerous car in those conditions"

The cars not dangerous!!!!! Its the nut behind the wheel!!!! I am prepared to bet that the GT3 will still stop quicker than your average Joe in his Zafira on ditchfinders in identical conditions.


Edited by bigmowley on Monday 18th November 21:49

Taffy66

3,039 posts

50 months

Monday 18th November
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Cheib said:
Having had my GT3 at Silverstone last Thursday I can confirm Cup 2’s are a liability in the wet and cold...PEC instructor reckons cold is the real issue for them. As R said it’s a dangerous car in those conditions. I’ve been out with the same instructor a few times...so he knows me pretty well and is normally telling me politely to get my balls out of my handbag. Handbag stayed firmly shut as we cruised round Silverstone with any attempt at pushing on met by a loss of traction.
I'd have been the same as you Cheib..For whatever reason the 991.2GT3 on either Michelin Cups or Dunlop Maxx Race is extremely unpredictable in cold and wet conditions..I've read various Autocar etc tests which concur with this so its not just down to our driving..

Mitch911

178 posts

117 months

Monday 18th November
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Beaver said:
At last - I have finally completed counting how many times AV185 has typed “manuel” in a thread on Pistonheads.

It is a remarkable 194,694 times - although he forgot the “inverted commas” on one occasion in October 2014.

Results here:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=av185+%22manuel%...

It’s been months of work compiling the list, but I am now very “satisfied”
Cap ‘doffed’

bigmowley

610 posts

124 months

Monday 18th November
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Taffy66 said:
Cheib said:
Having had my GT3 at Silverstone last Thursday I can confirm Cup 2’s are a liability in the wet and cold...PEC instructor reckons cold is the real issue for them. As R said it’s a dangerous car in those conditions. I’ve been out with the same instructor a few times...so he knows me pretty well and is normally telling me politely to get my balls out of my handbag. Handbag stayed firmly shut as we cruised round Silverstone with any attempt at pushing on met by a loss of traction.
I'd have been the same as you Cheib..For whatever reason the 991.2GT3 on either Michelin Cups or Dunlop Maxx Race is extremely unpredictable in cold and wet conditions..I've read various Autocar etc tests which concur with this so its not just down to our driving..
I would not dispute that Cups are no fun and very tricky in the cold and damp when you are pushing on, in your case at Silverstone. However my point is that in low grip conditions driven with consideration and sensitivity on the road the car is not fundamentally dangerous and driving safely is part and parcel of the responsibility that goes with owning our toys. I actually enjoy the challenge.

isaldiri

5,029 posts

116 months

Monday 18th November
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Cheib said:
Having had my GT3 at Silverstone last Thursday I can confirm Cup 2’s are a liability in the wet and cold...PEC instructor reckons cold is the real issue for them. As R said it’s a dangerous car in those conditions. I’ve been out with the same instructor a few times...
Very much with bigmowley on this. You cannot be serious about it being 'a dangerous car'. Not if you are driving even vaguely sensibly to the conditions. Yes I obviously agree you can't get enough heat into a Cup2 to work like normal in current conditions but if you aren't trying to chuck the car around like you would in warm/dry conditions, they are not imo a liability. even standing water/aquaplaning that can be a real risk at speed isn't really one if one drops your speed to 60mph rather than blasting down at 70+. I've driven around on Cup2s in sleet/light snow and sub 5 degrees and funnily enough I'm still alive somehow despite some of the comments above.....

_Superleggera_

1,950 posts

145 months

Monday 18th November
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I was offered that JZM car a few weeks ago. Turned it away as it was a crap spec car. Only 2k worth of options if I remember correctly.

I turned my own personal allocation down on the GT4 from my OPC. I will wait for a PDK so there is actually some performance increase over the other car. I'd be even happier to wait for a GT4 RS.

I hate to break it to the flippers but the 718 GT4's will not be going for overs if at all, for very long.

FocusRS3

3,102 posts

39 months

Tuesday 19th November
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_Superleggera_ said:
I was offered that JZM car a few weeks ago. Turned it away as it was a crap spec car. Only 2k worth of options if I remember correctly.

I turned my own personal allocation down on the GT4 from my OPC. I will wait for a PDK so there is actually some performance increase over the other car. I'd be even happier to wait for a GT4 RS.

I hate to break it to the flippers but the 718 GT4's will not be going for overs if at all, for very long.
The Jzm car is how much over lost do you think ?

Crap spec too

GT4RS

1,987 posts

145 months

Tuesday 19th November
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FocusRS3 said:
_Superleggera_ said:
I was offered that JZM car a few weeks ago. Turned it away as it was a crap spec car. Only 2k worth of options if I remember correctly.

I turned my own personal allocation down on the GT4 from my OPC. I will wait for a PDK so there is actually some performance increase over the other car. I'd be even happier to wait for a GT4 RS.

I hate to break it to the flippers but the 718 GT4's will not be going for overs if at all, for very long.
The Jzm car is how much over lost do you think ?

Crap spec too
To much, anyone who is a serious buyer will be able to order a new one from a OPC.

Overs market for the gt4 will be very short lived imo.

Gt3.2 are already trading under list why would this car be any different?

Mad Scientist

228 posts

27 months

Tuesday 19th November
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Because it’s a newer car, and there are no allocations available?

Stupid as it is, it’s the same old boring story of supply and demand for the shiny new extravagance.

I wish there were some threads about driving the damn things.

NickUSA

613 posts

115 months

Tuesday 19th November
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Mad Scientist said:
Because it’s a newer car, and there are no allocations available?

Stupid as it is, it’s the same old boring story of supply and demand for the shiny new extravagance.

I wish there were some threads about driving the damn things.
Thread Hijack: It drives good, no actually it's bloody brilliant hehe

Mad Scientist

228 posts

27 months

Tuesday 19th November
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Mine arrives mid December. I don’t want to just stick it in the garage until the winter has gone so I’m considering getting a second set of wheels and some PS4S.........can you get them in the right size N rated? Anyone know?

It will also allow me to flirt with satin aurum as “road wheels”! Was sorely tempted when I specced it but figured for track days with steel stoppers (and my terrible cleaning regime) they would be satin platinum regardless!

Porsche911R

17,878 posts

213 months

Tuesday 19th November
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bigmowley said:
Porsche911R said:
I was out in my GT3 last Thursday it was the most unusable thing I could have taken, but was due a recall at my OPC, never went above 30 mph or above 4k revs, a horrid drive, I even cancelled a road test as the car was just not safe to drive most of last week.

the car can cope with a bit of wet , but once below 6oc and standing water, it's a very dangerous car to drive.
Taffy66

For goodness sake man up the pair of you. Just like any car, tyre, weather combination you just drive to the available grip
there was no grip ! , it was dangerous, that was my point. even doing a U-turn at 4 mph the car understeered and pushed forward !!

any one who drives a car in that weather with cup 2 is not safe, I did not get above 40 mph or over 4k revs.

I did drive it last Saturday in the damp at 7oc it was ok did 100 miles. the extra rain and a few degree drop was a BIG change for the cup2's enough to be dangerous.

Porsche911R

17,878 posts

213 months

Tuesday 19th November
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isaldiri said:
Very much with bigmowley on this. You cannot be serious about it being 'a dangerous car'. ..

I've driven around on Cup2s in sleet/light snow and sub 5 degrees .
not only is it dangerous it's ****** stupid imo. that's even if I even believe you on the 2nd line !

if some one was to enter the road no way was my car stopping. at 4 mph my car understeered on a U-turn !!! yes 4mph, it shocked me !
Any throttle or any revs over 4k the traction lights were flashing.

The difference from damp and 7oc, to 6oc and standing water was night and day.
the week before I was doing 3 figure speeds, drifting, etc etc in the damp at 7oc.

last thursday I did 9 miles 4.5 each way and It was dangerous, no other word for it.

My golf in the snow with PS4S on has more grip.

it is what it is, the rain in the midlands was HEAVY last Thursday plus the temps dropped, add both and the cars unusable imo the car sat ontop of the water !and with the temps as low as 5 or 6oc even at 4mph there was no steering at all.

I drive in the rain loads, never been on roads like it last week.



Edited by Porsche911R on Tuesday 19th November 09:41

TDT

1,768 posts

67 months

Tuesday 19th November
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Mad Scientist said:
Mine arrives mid December. I don’t want to just stick it in the garage until the winter has gone so I’m considering getting a second set of wheels and some PS4S.........can you get them in the right size N rated? Anyone know?

It will also allow me to flirt with satin aurum as “road wheels”! Was sorely tempted when I specced it but figured for track days with steel stoppers (and my terrible cleaning regime) they would be satin platinum regardless!
Some deliveries on mainland Europe require the buyer to purchase a second set of wheels and tyres for winter. GT4 wheels + tyres in storage.
Those cars are rolling on the Carrera S 20inch usually available on the series 718 and 991.

https://youtu.be/pv0HpjpbSw4