Possible GT4 allocation
Discussion
Wilmslowboy said:
Even the GT Porsches are starting to suffer, a chap on the Porsche Facebook page wants out of a high spec 991.GT3 RS (popular colour), 2 years ago a £200k+ car, cant sell for £150k, (wind out the SOR and a bit more discount and you are at £60k off values 2 years ago).
If he bought it over list then what does he expect? If he got it on an allocation he's done alright and perhaps should have sold sooner if he intended to cash out with a good profit.Buying over list carries a risk. That's why I wouldn't pay overs on what is a secondhand car.
Armitage.Shanks said:
Wilmslowboy said:
Even the GT Porsches are starting to suffer, a chap on the Porsche Facebook page wants out of a high spec 991.GT3 RS (popular colour), 2 years ago a £200k+ car, cant sell for £150k, (wind out the SOR and a bit more discount and you are at £60k off values 2 years ago).
If he bought it over list then what does he expect? If he got it on an allocation he's done alright and perhaps should have sold sooner if he intended to cash out with a good profit.Buying over list carries a risk. That's why I wouldn't pay overs on what is a secondhand car.
But even so the car is probably worth list ££ now even after 3+ years. Remarkable. Can't think of many cars other than Porsche GTs in this category.
I bought a mint high spec c16 1 owner 20k miler 2016 66 plate 911 Turbo S end of last month to use over the winter. List price was £164k. The car was £86k trade ££. Later gen Turbos have actually held up quite well unlike the 997 Tts did at the same point in its production cycle. Still, thickish depreciation for the first owner and relatively steep for a 911 but not quite in the McLaren camp lol.
av185 said:
Yep tough titties if he paid over list.
But even so the car is probably worth list ££ now even after 3+ years. Remarkable. Can't think of many cars other than Porsche GTs in this category.
I bought a mint high spec c16 1 owner 20k miler 2016 66 plate 911 Turbo S end of last month to use over the winter. List price was £164k. The car was £86k trade ££. Later gen Turbos have actually held up quite well unlike the 997 Tts did at the same point in its production cycle. Still, thickish depreciation for the first owner and relatively steep for a 911 but not quite in the McLaren camp lol.
Prob a bit worse than a McLaren actually - a 2016 cars with similar mileage are selling around £85k/£90k at the moment so prob lost a little less than that Turbo, which is surprisingBut even so the car is probably worth list ££ now even after 3+ years. Remarkable. Can't think of many cars other than Porsche GTs in this category.
I bought a mint high spec c16 1 owner 20k miler 2016 66 plate 911 Turbo S end of last month to use over the winter. List price was £164k. The car was £86k trade ££. Later gen Turbos have actually held up quite well unlike the 997 Tts did at the same point in its production cycle. Still, thickish depreciation for the first owner and relatively steep for a 911 but not quite in the McLaren camp lol.
Obafemi09 said:
av185 said:
Yep tough titties if he paid over list.
But even so the car is probably worth list ££ now even after 3+ years. Remarkable. Can't think of many cars other than Porsche GTs in this category.
I bought a mint high spec c16 1 owner 20k miler 2016 66 plate 911 Turbo S end of last month to use over the winter. List price was £164k. The car was £86k trade ££. Later gen Turbos have actually held up quite well unlike the 997 Tts did at the same point in its production cycle. Still, thickish depreciation for the first owner and relatively steep for a 911 but not quite in the McLaren camp lol.
Prob a bit worse than a McLaren actually - a 2016 cars with similar mileage are selling around £85k/£90k at the moment so prob lost a little less than that Turbo, which is surprisingBut even so the car is probably worth list ££ now even after 3+ years. Remarkable. Can't think of many cars other than Porsche GTs in this category.
I bought a mint high spec c16 1 owner 20k miler 2016 66 plate 911 Turbo S end of last month to use over the winter. List price was £164k. The car was £86k trade ££. Later gen Turbos have actually held up quite well unlike the 997 Tts did at the same point in its production cycle. Still, thickish depreciation for the first owner and relatively steep for a 911 but not quite in the McLaren camp lol.
570s at 90K is a great car. Not sure where £3500 for servicing comes from, £800 - £1200 annually, which I think is fine. The only downside apart from some panel issues that get resolved by the Warranty is the actual extended warranty costs.
Be a tough one 90K for a GT4 or 90K for a 570S.
Be a tough one 90K for a GT4 or 90K for a 570S.
JayK12 said:
570s at 90K is a great car. Not sure where £3500 for servicing comes from, £800 - £1200 annually, which I think is fine. The only downside apart from some panel issues that get resolved by the Warranty is the actual extended warranty costs.
Be a tough one 90K for a GT4 or 90K for a 570S.
neither appeal really for £100k.Be a tough one 90K for a GT4 or 90K for a 570S.
JayK12 said:
570s at 90K is a great car. Not sure where £3500 for servicing comes from, £800 - £1200 annually, which I think is fine. The only downside apart from some panel issues that get resolved by the Warranty is the actual extended warranty costs.
Be a tough one 90K for a GT4 or 90K for a 570S.
Imo it's always unrealistic comparing a new car (718 GT4) and 3+ year old Mclaren as a buying decision.Be a tough one 90K for a GT4 or 90K for a 570S.
Most want new OR used.
But trade price on a 3/4 year old 981 GT4 say early £60ks v trade on on a 570s same age for c£5k more.....no contest the 570 wins.
new or used makes no odds.
People have £80k for a toy, it can be new or used, it's the same £80k they have to spend, hence we have 2nd hand cars for sale which sell :-)
what are ex demo cars ? they have 20% off and are 200 mile AS new cars, but are really 2nd hand.
A person with £80k is a person with £80k and they will look and both options with their £80k.
People have £80k for a toy, it can be new or used, it's the same £80k they have to spend, hence we have 2nd hand cars for sale which sell :-)
what are ex demo cars ? they have 20% off and are 200 mile AS new cars, but are really 2nd hand.
A person with £80k is a person with £80k and they will look and both options with their £80k.
Twinfan said:
Rubbish. Used was never a choice for me. I wanted a new car, specced my way.
but you are odd :-)you slagged off a GT4 for 4 years saying the GTS was better for you, you get a slot for a GT4 and now you ordered one, which will make a worse road car than your GTS !! you have the GT overs bug and wanted in....
yes you may have wanted a new car, but millions of 2nd hand cars sell daily and any normal person will think, I can have a 992 new or 2 year old Ferrari 488 as new with 5 years free servicing left. pick any 2 cars really.
I never buy new as you loose 40% in 3 years, from 76 cars I have only had 5 or 6 new cars. and they have all cost me £££££ even GT market.
buying new is a mugs game, You only ordered a GT4 as it's free or close to free motoring, you don't even like them !!! or want a car with a wing ! or will track it ever.
I hope you really like it can grow to like the GT4 though but they don't make very good road cars imho. hence why I am still wating for the normal flat 6 range of cars with normal tyres and working roofs.
Porsche911R said:
Twinfan said:
Rubbish. Used was never a choice for me. I wanted a new car, specced my way.
but you are odd :-)you slagged off a GT4 for 4 years saying the GTS was better for you, you get a slot for a GT4 and now you ordered one, which will make a worse road car than your GTS !! you have the GT overs bug and wanted in....
yes you may have wanted a new car, but millions of 2nd hand cars sell daily and any normal person will think, I can have a 992 new or 2 year old Ferrari 488 as new with 5 years free servicing left. pick any 2 cars really.
I never buy new as you loose 40% in 3 years, from 76 cars I have only had 5 or 6 new cars. and they have all cost me £££££ even GT market.
buying new is a mugs game, You only ordered a GT4 as it's free or close to free motoring, you don't even like them !!! or want a car with a wing ! or will track it ever.
I hope you really like it can grow to like the GT4 though but they don't make very good road cars imho. hence why I am still wating for the normal flat 6 range of cars with normal tyres and working roofs.
What a load of nonsense! I think most of your thesis is talking about yourself 
I never slagged off the 981 GT4, I just didn't think it was worth the price to change to a used one from my GTS. I'm buying a new 718 GT4 because I've been offered one and I fancy one - it's as simple as that.
I never slagged off the 981 GT4, I just didn't think it was worth the price to change to a used one from my GTS. I'm buying a new 718 GT4 because I've been offered one and I fancy one - it's as simple as that.
Porsche911R said:
I hope you really like it can grow to like the GT4 though but they don't make very good road cars imho. hence why I am still wating for the normal flat 6 range of cars with normal tyres and working roofs.
There is something to be said about your final comment but your statement is way too broad.I picked up a very nicely-optioned, low mileage 981 GT4 in the Summer but decided to keep my equally high-spec 981 CS. (I'd spent two years looking for my perfect car and so found it hard to let her go) There's no doubt that in terms of practicality and enjoyment, when traffic conditions are frustrating or you've got to navigate through urban and pedestrian areas, then the S wins and is, as would be expected, the easier motor to live with. However get out early and / or find the right road and conditions and the GT4 blows the S in to submission and puts a smile on my face as wide as the English Channel. And what's great is that you don't need to be fully 'on it' to appreciate its qualities either. It's a sensational drivers car. (I haven't tracked it yet as I have a Caterham R500 and modified Clio Cup to scratch that itch)
A few weeks ago I had an opportunity to drive a client's 718 GT4 near Stuttgart and I absolutely loved it. It felt immediately familiar but my overriding impression was that it made for the better road car in the more frustrating conditions I mentioned earlier, compared to my 981 GT4. Just seemed to drive and ride better, especially at lower speeds and didn't feel quite as edgy over poor surfaces. (As a result I'm now contemplating the DSC upgrade) But in every other area and when road conditions allowed, it was very hard to tell the difference between models, which let's face it, is a good thing. FWIW there might be a bit more useful, front-end clearance beneath the 718's new splitter arrangement albeit that might have been an optical illusion and I didn't get to stick my foot underneath to check.
Yes the noise isn't as guttural low down the rev range but from inside the cabin it still sounded pretty good to me, especially once the taps were open. Clutch weight is entirely subjective but again I felt it was spot on. (Then again I'm used to peddling a Sachs racing clutch in my daily Golf R so even the 981 clutch seems a bit weedy compared to that.) After an hour or so I came away buzzing and thinking that there are going to be a lot of very, very happy 718 GT4 owners once deliveries pick up. (I can't comment on the Spyder as IMO it's a different experience) However I was equally relieved that the real-world differences between the 981 and 718 were pretty minimal and therefore not worth the north of £20k premium I would have had to pay had I gone for the new model based on the same spec as my 981. I do love the 718's new front-end though..........drool. Edited by JustCallMeMac on Monday 16th December 17:50
Edited by JustCallMeMac on Monday 16th December 17:51
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