Possible GT4 allocation

[Twinfan]

av185 said:

Thing is as mentioned before you cannot really compare older cars with new and whilst the gen 1 GT3 is a great package at the money £90k will buy you a well used average sort of car which is 5 years old verses a brand new GT4 which come summer will be available with a PDK box.

Yep, this. Quite a different proposition speccing your own brand new car versus a 5-year old car with PDK-only and a less-than-robust engine.

[FocusRS3]

av185 said:

FocusRS3 said:

Having watched all the 718 reviews on YouTube and cars that at spec costing 90k I’m not sure I’d buy one and can see why people are trying to quickly flip them.

Firstly the new cat doesn’t sound as good as the 981 and also at that price bracket you can buy a 991 GT3. Going slightly left field you can for the same cash buy a 570 Mclaren.

In this current market I’d be buying either a 90k GT3 or paying 70k for a 981 GT4.

Just my 2p of course......

Thing is as mentioned before you cannot really compare older cars with new and whilst the gen 1 GT3 is a great package at the money £90k will buy you a well used average sort of car which is 5 years old verses a brand new GT4 which come summer will be available with a PDK box.

Trade ££ on 4 year old low mileage 570s is now mid £60ks which is clearly good value but they will inevitably continue to tank price wise compared to any Porsche GT.

Also stock exhaust on a 570S sounds st so no real difference to a 718 GT4 in this regard.

All good and fair points well made

[JasonSteel]

av185 said:

Trade ££ on 4 year old low mileage 570s is now mid £60ks which is clearly good value but they will inevitably continue to tank price wise compared to any Porsche GT.

why do McLarens depreciate so much and so quickly?

[ClubsportStr]

JasonSteel said:

av185 said:

Trade ££ on 4 year old low mileage 570s is now mid £60ks which is clearly good value but they will inevitably continue to tank price wise compared to any Porsche GT.

why do McLarens depreciate so much and so quickly?

£3500 for a service and £5000 for a dealer warranty. On the Mclaren thread owners are stating bottom of the doors corroding after a year. Supercar running cost are not for the faint hearted and they are brining new models out constantly. Rumours of 25% discounts on new cars . Porsche don’t devalue the brand like that.

[av185]

ClubsportStr said:

JasonSteel said:

av185 said:

Trade ££ on 4 year old low mileage 570s is now mid £60ks which is clearly good value but they will inevitably continue to tank price wise compared to any Porsche GT.

why do McLarens depreciate so much and so quickly?

£3500 for a service and £5000 for a dealer warranty. On the Mclaren thread owners are stating bottom of the doors corroding after a year. Supercar running cost are not for the faint hearted and they are brining new models out constantly. Rumours of 25% discounts on new cars . Porsche don’t devalue the brand like that.

All true but the other point is whilst the 570S on paper is a great car with arguably better wow factor looks than a 991 GT3 the Mc is quite boring to drive being fairly detached and lacking involvement and that's why I sold mine after a couple of months. It's one thing losing money on any desirable car but when that car is admittedly rapid but uninvolving as the 570S is especially compared to a 991 GT3 it is effectively a double bitter pill to swallow.

Similarly the 720S is astonishing value at £120k trade and whilst it turns up the performance another notch over the 570 (to such a level that it really is too fast for most UK roads and I have access to some of the best UK driving roads btw) the overall detachment and lack of involvement remains. Think 991 Turbo S on steroids.

The other minus with Mclarens is the attitude of their main dealers. Folks criticise Porsche but you really don't know bad service and lack of customer care until you sample McLaren imo and that's before they show no interest whatsoever in supporting the brand with their ridiculous low ball bids on proper spec and mileage cars which leave those unfortunate customers who have bought new with eye watering levels of depreciation and that's assuming they will bid on the car at all.

Hardly inspiring confidence in the brand unlike Ferrari which is a shame but it's Mclarens choice how they run their business so that's how it is.

[JasonSteel]

ClubsportStr said:

£3500 for a service and £5000 for a dealer warranty. On the Mclaren thread owners are stating bottom of the doors corroding after a year. Supercar running cost are not for the faint hearted and they are brining new models out constantly. Rumours of 25% discounts on new cars . Porsche don’t devalue the brand like that.

av185 said:

the Mc is quite boring to drive being fairly detached and lacking involvement

wow... have never had much interest in McLarens as i'm indifferent to the styling and the sound they make.

always assumed they were great cars though.

[Wilmslowboy]

JasonSteel said:

why do McLarens depreciate so much and so quickly?

Little support from trade buyers and very tough times.

The £3,500 a year warranty, corrosion issues, and constant niggles don't help either (nor the occasional £50k off a new one)

In reality, Mclaren deprecation is probably not a huge amount worse than Aston Martin, and even Lamborghini (a few owners lost £100k+ on Performantes)

Even the GT Porsches are starting to suffer, a chap on the Porsche Facebook page wants out of a high spec 991.GT3 RS (popular colour), 2 years ago a £200k+ car, cant sell for £150k, (wind out the SOR and a bit more discount and you are at £60k off values 2 years ago).

[FocusRS3]

Wilmslowboy said:

Little support from trade buyers and very tough times.

The £3,500 a year warranty, corrosion issues, and constant niggles don't help either (nor the occasional £50k off a new one)

In reality, Mclaren deprecation is probably not a huge amount worse than Aston Martin, and even Lamborghini (a few owners lost £100k+ on Performantes)

Even the GT Porsches are starting to suffer, a chap on the Porsche Facebook page wants out of a high spec 991.GT3 RS (popular colour), 2 years ago a £200k+ car, cant sell for £150k, (wind out the SOR and a bit more discount and you are at £60k off values 2 years ago).

Happening with all brands as a % Porsche less so but still painful for some.

Can’t this this changing anytime soon although a new GT4 at list for a year will likely only cost you 5k.

Saw JZM have one reserved at bonkers money.
Good for the seller and JZM and maybe the buyer doesn’t care. Hopefully he doesn’t ever intend selling it.

Presently thinking that a 991.1 C2S under 50k ( and there are lots for sale) is looking value for such a great car. Approaching 8yrs old mind for the earliest cars .

[Jimbo_vx]

I’m still looking for a GT4 allocation or a car at not much above list.

Intended use of 3 years of occasional European track days and driving holidays. Plenty of miles and usage. Not expecting anything magic in terms of residuals.

I had the offer of an allocation if I bought a 981 GT4, but didn’t proceed as I get a sense I will get a car/allocation fairly soon.

I’m not fussy on spec though would prefer steels and buckets. The black one at jzm is what , 10k over?

https://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Po...

[FocusRS3]

Jimbo_vx said:

I’m still looking for a GT4 allocation or a car at not much above list.

Intended use of 3 years of occasional European track days and driving holidays. Plenty of miles and usage. Not expecting anything magic in terms of residuals.

I had the offer of an allocation if I bought a 981 GT4, but didn’t proceed as I get a sense I will get a car/allocation fairly soon.

I’m not fussy on spec though would prefer steels and buckets. The black one at jzm is what , 10k over?

https://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Po...

Looks about right but no buckets unless that doesn’t bother you.

So minus the JZM fee and a little negotiation it’s not worth much extra to the seller

[av185]

FocusRS3 said:

Jimbo_vx said:

I’m still looking for a GT4 allocation or a car at not much above list.

Intended use of 3 years of occasional European track days and driving holidays. Plenty of miles and usage. Not expecting anything magic in terms of residuals.

I had the offer of an allocation if I bought a 981 GT4, but didn’t proceed as I get a sense I will get a car/allocation fairly soon.

I’m not fussy on spec though would prefer steels and buckets. The black one at jzm is what , 10k over?

https://www.jzmporsche.com/used-vehicle-details/Po...

Looks about right but no buckets unless that doesn’t bother you.

So minus the JZM fee and a little negotiation it’s not worth much extra to the seller

With just proper delivery mileage of 12 miles this car has obviously been bought to directly flip.

Pity the flippers got the spec so wrong. Comforts and the drab grey interior are almost excusable fair enough but to omit both climate and extended leather the car having placcy dash and door tops will inevitably mean a hard sell even at that price.

[Taffy66]

av185 said:

With just proper delivery mileage of 12 miles this car has obviously been bought to directly flip.

Pity the flippers got the spec so wrong. Comforts and the drab grey interior are almost excusable fair enough but to omit both climate and extended leather will inevitably mean a hard sell even at that price.

An extreme poverty spec GT4 with even flat Black chosen over the much better metallic Jet Black...I can't see anyone buying that car unless its back to list IMO.

[bennno]

Black one at jzm is Boggo spec, non metallic and without leather so it’s a plastic dash.

It’s not clear if it’s upgraded lights or standard, so it’s about £76k list.

Jzm doing SOR and expect £5k, so owners looking at a 9-10k premium


Having picked mine up the carbon buckets and leather dash are stunning and I’d not buy a Spyder or gt4 without.

[av185]

The car has dynamic lights so c £450 ish.

[av185]

bennno said:

Having picked mine up the carbon buckets and leather dash are stunning and I’d not buy a Spyder or gt4 without.

Further confirmation of actual real world buyers requirements despite what several 'experts' constantly claim on here.

[911 JOE]

Taffy66 said:

An extreme poverty spec GT4 with even flat Black chosen over the much better metallic Jet Black...I can't see anyone buying that car unless its back to list IMO.

I love Jet Black metallic but annoyingly it is not currently available on the 718 GT4/Spyder, I had to order my Spyder in solid black which is a particular shame as my 992 C4S is Jet Black met.

[TDT]

av185 said:

bennno said:

Having picked mine up the carbon buckets and leather dash are stunning and I’d not buy a Spyder or gt4 without.

Further confirmation of actual real world buyers requirements despite what several 'experts' constantly claim on here.

It’s good that people have options to spec as car as they like.
There are options that are drivers options and there are other items that are cars and coffee options…

C&C options aren’t the ones that make GT car repeated Car of the Year winners.

[av185]

TDT said:

av185 said:

bennno said:

Having picked mine up the carbon buckets and leather dash are stunning and I’d not buy a Spyder or gt4 without.

Further confirmation of actual real world buyers requirements despite what several 'experts' constantly claim on here.

It’s good that people have options to spec as car as they like.
There are options that are drivers options and there are other items that are cars and coffee options…

C&C options aren’t the ones that make GT car repeated Car of the Year winners.

I agree and never suggested for one minute non 'drivers options' are.

But as you have rightly said people are free to spec their cars as they wish, non drivers options included.

And it's a fact that most people would want leather dash and door tops when buying a £90k 'new' flipped GT Porsche (never mind a more expensive 911 GT) as Bennno and many others have confirmed.

Only a fool would think otherwise.

[Jimbo_vx]

Here is how I would spec mine.

I think this come with a stitched dash as part of 'Black leather interior with extensive alcantara', is it leather though? I didn't select 'leather dash' so probably not?

[Twinfan]

Jimbo_vx said:

Here is how I would spec mine.

I think this come with a stitched dash as part of 'Black leather interior with extensive alcantara', is it leather though? I didn't select 'leather dash' so probably not?

Yes, it comes with a leather dash if you specify the silver/red/yellow interior pack @ £1242.