Possible GT4 allocation
Discussion
JustCallMeMac said:
Porsche911R said:
I hope you really like it can grow to like the GT4 though but they don't make very good road cars imho. hence why I am still wating for the normal flat 6 range of cars with normal tyres and working roofs.
There is something to be said about your final comment but your statement is way too broad.I picked up a very nicely-optioned, low mileage 981 GT4 in the Summer but decided to keep my equally high-spec 981 CS. (I'd spent two years looking for my perfect car and so found it hard to let her go) There's no doubt that in terms of practicality and enjoyment, when traffic conditions are frustrating or you've got to navigate through urban and pedestrian areas, then the S wins and is, as would be expected, the easier motor to live with. However get out early and / or find the right road and conditions and the GT4 blows the S in to submission and puts a smile on my face as wide as the English Channel. And what's great is that you don't need to be fully 'on it' to appreciate its qualities either. It's a sensational drivers car. (I haven't tracked it yet as I have a Caterham R500 and modified Clio Cup to scratch that itch)
A few weeks ago I had an opportunity to drive a client's 718 GT4 near Stuttgart and I absolutely loved it. It felt immediately familiar but my overriding impression was that it made for the better road car in the more frustrating conditions I mentioned earlier, compared to my 981 GT4. Just seemed to drive and ride better, especially at lower speeds and didn't feel quite as edgy over poor surfaces. (As a result I'm now contemplating the DSC upgrade) But in every other area and when road conditions allowed, it was very hard to tell the difference between models, which let's face it, is a good thing. FWIW there might be a bit more useful, front-end clearance beneath the 718's new splitter arrangement albeit that might have been an optical illusion and I didn't get to stick my foot underneath to check.
Yes the noise isn't as guttural low down the rev range but from inside the cabin it still sounded pretty good to me, especially once the taps were open. Clutch weight is entirely subjective but again I felt it was spot on. (Then again I'm used to peddling a Sachs racing clutch in my daily Golf R so even the 981 clutch seems a bit weedy compared to that.) After an hour or so I came away buzzing and thinking that there are going to be a lot of very, very happy 718 GT4 owners once deliveries pick up. (I can't comment on the Spyder as IMO it's a different experience) However I was equally relieved that the real-world differences between the 981 and 718 were pretty minimal and therefore not worth the north of £20k premium I would have had to pay had I gone for the new model based on the same spec as my 981. I do love the 718's new front-end though..........drool. On the specific note of adding a DSC to a 981 GT4.... I have done exactly this within the last week. and actually just came back from another drive, where i was feeling out the dynamics. Adding this unit has made my 981 GT4 ride at least as well as the 718.
In normal chassis - in normal driving it does take the edge off the high frequency jiggles and bumps.... and is a really sophisticated ride.
Because the system is active, it is better than standard PASM which is fixed damping setting per mode - so with DSC, if you put in a sharper input.. throttle, steering or brake... the car automatically responses and gives you appropriate feedback, you don't even need to change damper/chassis mode. Once you learn that you can actually start to manipulate the system through your inputs. Pitch and dive under heavy braking is much better managed.
Sport Chassis is also much improved on the road, again, harshness is greatly reduced.
Edited by TDT on Monday 16th December 19:56
TDT said:
Your experience and view of the cars echo mine.
On the specific note of adding a DSC to a 981 GT4.... I have done exactly this within the last week. and actually just came back from another drive, where i was feeling out the dynamics. Adding this unit has made my 981 GT4 ride at least as well as the 718.
In normal chassis - in normal driving it does take the edge off the high frequency jiggles and bumps.... and is a really sophisticated ride.
Because the system is active, it is better than standard PASM which is fixed damping setting per mode - so with DSC, if you put in a sharper input.. throttle, steering or brake... the car automatically responses and gives you appropriate feedback, you don't even need to change damper/chassis mode. Once you learn that you can actually start to manipulate the system through your inputs. Pitch and dive under heavy braking is much better managed.
Sport Chassis is also much improved on the road, again, harshness is greatly reduced.
Re. the DSC, your feedback is much appreciated and great to hear. So as not to derail the thread, I might PM you for further info if that's okay? I.e did you also go for the TPC Racing toe link kit and then have the car set up to the recommended alignment spec? On the specific note of adding a DSC to a 981 GT4.... I have done exactly this within the last week. and actually just came back from another drive, where i was feeling out the dynamics. Adding this unit has made my 981 GT4 ride at least as well as the 718.
In normal chassis - in normal driving it does take the edge off the high frequency jiggles and bumps.... and is a really sophisticated ride.
Because the system is active, it is better than standard PASM which is fixed damping setting per mode - so with DSC, if you put in a sharper input.. throttle, steering or brake... the car automatically responses and gives you appropriate feedback, you don't even need to change damper/chassis mode. Once you learn that you can actually start to manipulate the system through your inputs. Pitch and dive under heavy braking is much better managed.
Sport Chassis is also much improved on the road, again, harshness is greatly reduced.
Edited by TDT on Monday 16th December 19:56
Thanks again.
Edited by JustCallMeMac on Tuesday 17th December 07:58
isaldiri said:
Porsche911R said:
I slagged off a GT3 for all eternity till I could get one at list then it was the best thing since sliced bread
I only ordered a GT3 as it's free or close to free motoring, i don't even like them !!! or will track it ever.
EFA.I only ordered a GT3 as it's free or close to free motoring, i don't even like them !!! or will track it ever.
But to be fair to David he has posted elsewhere that he's going to take it to Spa next year.JustCallMeMac said:
TDT said:
Your experience and view of the cars echo mine.
On the specific note of adding a DSC to a 981 GT4.... I have done exactly this within the last week. and actually just came back from another drive, where i was feeling out the dynamics. Adding this unit has made my 981 GT4 ride at least as well as the 718.
In normal chassis - in normal driving it does take the edge off the high frequency jiggles and bumps.... and is a really sophisticated ride.
Because the system is active, it is better than standard PASM which is fixed damping setting per mode - so with DSC, if you put in a sharper input.. throttle, steering or brake... the car automatically responses and gives you appropriate feedback, you don't even need to change damper/chassis mode. Once you learn that you can actually start to manipulate the system through your inputs. Pitch and dive under heavy braking is much better managed.
Sport Chassis is also much improved on the road, again, harshness is greatly reduced.
Re. the DSC, your feedback is much appreciated and great to hear. So as not to derail the thread, I might PM you for further info if that's okay? I.e did you also go for the TPC Racing toe link kit and then have the car set up to the recommended alignment spec? On the specific note of adding a DSC to a 981 GT4.... I have done exactly this within the last week. and actually just came back from another drive, where i was feeling out the dynamics. Adding this unit has made my 981 GT4 ride at least as well as the 718.
In normal chassis - in normal driving it does take the edge off the high frequency jiggles and bumps.... and is a really sophisticated ride.
Because the system is active, it is better than standard PASM which is fixed damping setting per mode - so with DSC, if you put in a sharper input.. throttle, steering or brake... the car automatically responses and gives you appropriate feedback, you don't even need to change damper/chassis mode. Once you learn that you can actually start to manipulate the system through your inputs. Pitch and dive under heavy braking is much better managed.
Sport Chassis is also much improved on the road, again, harshness is greatly reduced.
Thanks again.
TPC/DSC provide maps the GT4 without the TPC links and also optimised for them. The difference is in how much damper stiffness is applied under braking.. as the TPC links have a different toe deviation curve under load vs the static value - so front/rear stiffness values are slightly different as the rate of toe change is less with the TPC offset Toe links vs non-offset toe links.
TPC/DSC provide a pdf which give some recommended Geo set up details - but the main thing is that the car is straight.
DSC primarily works off of G-loading, so it controls the dampers and engine mounts in relation to given lon/lat G values, when you are not operating at the prescribed G threshold (box), which is adjustable - the dampers relax to a softer value - again this is adjustable.
For 80%+ the TPC/DSC maps are going to be more than sufficient, but it's cool that you can tweak it yourself if you want to get into it - or that there are a number of specialists to talk to, that have spent some time developing their own maps.
Cool thing is that you can load these within seconds and try them out - you just need to connect your laptop. I installed my unit with a mini-usb cable attached so i don't need to remove the unit to upload a map. Cable is long enough to reach into the front of the car - and I can do it all from the drivers seat. You can read/modify the map offline and then just go to the car to upload the file.
I'm going to be back to backing the DSC, with the standard controller over the next few weeks so that I can really get a good read on all the differences. Install is a 5min job including walking to the car! lol. One 10mm bolt and a bit of a wriggle to get it out and the connector of the standard unit and onto the DSC.
I bought the unit for track use.. I want the car to be near flat through high load corners and under heavy braking, and didn't want to go for full clubsport/competition 3-way dampers at this stage. For me, the changed road dynamics has been a side benefit.
Edited by TDT on Tuesday 17th December 14:56
GT4 just been listed in Nth Ireland finally. I might take a look out of interest if nothing else.
Actually not a bad starting price with those miles assuming they aren't crazy HARD miles..
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
Actually not a bad starting price with those miles assuming they aren't crazy HARD miles..
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...
04BAP said:
I wouldn’t know what list would be but at a guess I would say about £82k to £85k which makes that car good value
Interesting, assuming it goes for about £70k then they are down 15-20% from new price. That's about the same percentage drop as an 8 year old cayman R which is twice the age. Supply and demand starting to kick in...Gassing Station | Boxster/Cayman | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff