718 Engine - This made me think...
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ODRALLAG said:
Londonminiporsche said:
Hi all. I’ve been following this thread. I currently have a JCW Mini which I’m bored with (have been driving Minis since 2008). I drive in the city and mostly at low speed (annoyingly).
I was wanting to switch to Porsche and actually liked the drive with the 618. Was going to take a bit more time to think about it but my local dealer has offered me a pre-reg car with 25% off (basically £47k but with all the spec included).
What do you guys think of this, value vs 4 pot. Was debating whether to wait for the next iteration, but also think this could be value.
Any thoughts on the 4 pot for city driving also appreciated.
Thank you!
Hi are you able to DM/email dealer info regarding 718, would be interested too thanks I was wanting to switch to Porsche and actually liked the drive with the 618. Was going to take a bit more time to think about it but my local dealer has offered me a pre-reg car with 25% off (basically £47k but with all the spec included).
What do you guys think of this, value vs 4 pot. Was debating whether to wait for the next iteration, but also think this could be value.
Any thoughts on the 4 pot for city driving also appreciated.
Thank you!
ODRALLAG said:
Miopyk said:
That's pretty much the deal I got although mine only had 16 miles on it when I picked it up and was being built when I handed over the deposit. When you think how capable the car is it's a relative bargain.
HiCould you possibly DM/email me the dealer info as I’m interested too
Thanks
HighwayStar said:
Lexington59 said:
Prospective said:
With regard to discount I was looking at 16% off new existing stock. No new build slots available with rumours of a new flat 6 !
Let's be realistic, announcing a high CO2 emitting huge displacement naturally aspirated engine across the range is simply not going to happen, and certainly not outside of the low volume halo models / GTs (and perhaps and still to be seen the GTS.)WIth the punitive fines for exceeding fleet average CO2 emissions, the push towards EVs the entire strategy would have to be reversed leaving Greta frothing at the mouth protesting on their doorstep. Unfortunately those days are gone now, but I do think the EV performance will be impressive, however those who appear to value sound above all else will be very disappointed...
AP has said they invested money in the new engine for GT4 engine and they planned to recoup the investment by using it in other models, albeit detuned.
What was it you were saying Lex?
And it has a thread all of its own
https://youtu.be/THSh0U_66C0
HighwayStar said:
Yep: Lexington59 said:
Let's be realistic, announcing a high CO2 emitting huge displacement naturally aspirated engine across the range is simply not going to happen, and certainly not outside of the low volume halo models / GTs (and perhaps and still to be seen the GTS.)
cc3 said:
Friend just sold a 718 Boxster to WBAC for £30k. OPC bids £27/28k. The tracker was still live so after the auction tracked it, went to an independent. Advertised for £35k and sold within a week. Car had£5k of options so holding value pretty well
How old was the 718? Edit: still didn’t hear anything from any of the ones that mentioned the big discounts they managed lol I spoke to a few different dealers and the max they were offering was the pre reg prices which were around 10% off and then around 1k extra. One SE mentioned that lots of cars were registered before 31st December and that they might have given extra discount to some that had to be registered and delivered before the 31st so maybe the bigger discounts were available last month after all
Edited by ODRALLAG on Sunday 26th January 12:31
The info being put out is that supply of the 4.0 engines will be the limiting factor, and that the next iteration of Cayster is not that far away (2 years?).
Looking at the lifecycle it appears feasible that the 4.0 at this time has always been Porsche's ambition/plan. In order to average an acceptable emissions output across the family they needed to sell quantity of the smaller engine variants, and if numbers of the 4.0 are truly limited then they won't be able to produce enough to skew the overall emissions figures across all sold.
GT4 flippers are gonna be pissed, but they're playing a risky game so screw them.
718 F4T GTS owners (like myself) - probably fairly safe from a residual perspective despite all the PH and journo bashing of that engine. Get a quote from a decent OPC/PRG and you might be pleasantly surprised at what is available now, and what you'll get back/walk away from in a few years time.
718 NA6 GTS probably on a winner like the 981 GT4's previously.
If next Cayster is hybrid or even fully electric then its natural that the late ICE cars, regardless of their being 4 or 6 pot, will be the ones sought after in years to come. And that depends on a million other factors, not least of which it would appear that the demographic for this market appears to be shifting - again - from perhaps a slightly younger crowd than there would have been 15/20+ years ago, in the direction of the more typical/historical aged Porsche customer (ie: older).
In the big scheme of things Porsche only produce a limited number of vehicles, an there's only a limited number of vehicles to choose from. Make your own decisions, make sure you drive all the variants you're considering (assuming you're in the market), and enjoy. Life's too short to worry about other peoples opinions, anyhow .
Looking at the lifecycle it appears feasible that the 4.0 at this time has always been Porsche's ambition/plan. In order to average an acceptable emissions output across the family they needed to sell quantity of the smaller engine variants, and if numbers of the 4.0 are truly limited then they won't be able to produce enough to skew the overall emissions figures across all sold.
GT4 flippers are gonna be pissed, but they're playing a risky game so screw them.
718 F4T GTS owners (like myself) - probably fairly safe from a residual perspective despite all the PH and journo bashing of that engine. Get a quote from a decent OPC/PRG and you might be pleasantly surprised at what is available now, and what you'll get back/walk away from in a few years time.
718 NA6 GTS probably on a winner like the 981 GT4's previously.
If next Cayster is hybrid or even fully electric then its natural that the late ICE cars, regardless of their being 4 or 6 pot, will be the ones sought after in years to come. And that depends on a million other factors, not least of which it would appear that the demographic for this market appears to be shifting - again - from perhaps a slightly younger crowd than there would have been 15/20+ years ago, in the direction of the more typical/historical aged Porsche customer (ie: older).
In the big scheme of things Porsche only produce a limited number of vehicles, an there's only a limited number of vehicles to choose from. Make your own decisions, make sure you drive all the variants you're considering (assuming you're in the market), and enjoy. Life's too short to worry about other peoples opinions, anyhow
. Edited by Fnumber1user on Sunday 26th January 13:14
ODRALLAG said:
How old was the 718?
Edit: still didn’t hear anything from any of the ones that mentioned the big discounts they managed lol I spoke to a few different dealers and the max they were offering was the pre reg prices which were around 10% off and then around 1k extra. One SE mentioned that lots of cars were registered before 31st December and that they might have given extra discount to some that had to be registered and delivered before the 31st so maybe the bigger discounts were available last month after all
718 was exactly 3 years old Edit: still didn’t hear anything from any of the ones that mentioned the big discounts they managed lol I spoke to a few different dealers and the max they were offering was the pre reg prices which were around 10% off and then around 1k extra. One SE mentioned that lots of cars were registered before 31st December and that they might have given extra discount to some that had to be registered and delivered before the 31st so maybe the bigger discounts were available last month after all
Edited by ODRALLAG on Sunday 26th January 12:31
anonymous said:
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For those craving hard facts:Member on here negotiated £56.5k for a £63k (inc options) unregistered/in stock Cayman T. This was last month.
I bought my factory order Cayman T (£53.3k list) for £50k last July.
Traded-in my 3yr old 25,000 miles Cayman 2.0 to buy the T. Was £54k when new (think I paid £52k). OPC gave me £36k. They sold it within a week.
neilf said:
For those craving hard facts:
Member on here negotiated £56.5k for a £63k (inc options) unregistered/in stock Cayman T. This was last month.
I bought my factory order Cayman T (£53.3k list) for £50k last July.
Traded-in my 3yr old 25,000 miles Cayman 2.0 to buy the T. Was £54k when new (think I paid £52k). OPC gave me £36k. They sold it within a week.
This came about when a user mentioned 20% off list price apparently being available on pre reg cars and another user confirmed it was pretty much the deal they got. Then londonMiniPorsche claimed he was getting 25% off list price which was 15k off a 62k car! Member on here negotiated £56.5k for a £63k (inc options) unregistered/in stock Cayman T. This was last month.
I bought my factory order Cayman T (£53.3k list) for £50k last July.
Traded-in my 3yr old 25,000 miles Cayman 2.0 to buy the T. Was £54k when new (think I paid £52k). OPC gave me £36k. They sold it within a week.
Miopyk said:
jonttt said:
Dealers apparently offering 20% off pre reg 718 4 pots with 100 miles on the clock.........never seen Porsche do that before but I guess it was always on the cards due to the engine, lack of sales, the new 6 pot on the horizon ..........
That's pretty much the deal I got although mine only had 16 miles on it when I picked it up and was being built when I handed over the deposit. When you think how capable the car is it's a relative bargain.ODRALLAG said:
Edit: still didn’t hear anything from any of the ones that mentioned the big discounts they managed lol I spoke to a few different dealers and the max they were offering was the pre reg prices which were around 10% off and then around 1k extra. One SE mentioned that lots of cars were registered before 31st December and that they might have given extra discount to some that had to be registered and delivered before the 31st so maybe the bigger discounts were available last month after all
As mentioned on another thread, just before Christmas I got my Cayman 718 GTS pre-reg, 3 weeks old and with 15% off OTR list price from an OPC. With 15 miles on the clock delivered to my door it was basically new, close to my perfect spec and I only had to wait 4 days to get it. Gorgeous car!
It was advertised on the Porsche AUC site at the price I paid for a few weeks before I decided to go for it.
No idea if similar pre-reg prices are still available as I have avoided looking since I committed to one, in case a much better deal comes up! If one does, I'd be grateful if no-one mentioned it here!
Geoff
Lexington59 said:
I note the OP originally started this thread to talk down 718 values (so he could upgrade his 987.)
Seems to be going well for him then...
I think I'll stick with the 987 for now.Seems to be going well for him then...
There's a couple of 2.0T's at or below £30k now even though some contributors said it wouldn't happen
Anyway, I'm in Oz for a month and have barely seen any Porsches (apart from the SUV's)...saw a 718 Boxster on Great Ocean Road today and that's about it for newer Caymans/Boxsters.
We should be glad in the UK that we can enjoy ANY Porsches as they're expensive in many parts of the world.
Edited by Andyoz on Wednesday 29th January 13:03
I reckon learning to ‘drive around’ the lag on my 944 turbo is the thing that makes me love the car and gives genuine enjoyment at the edge of road reasonable speed. You get it wrong before you get it right.
Not driven a 718 but don’t think there’s anything wrong with a 4 cylinder turbo light and small car in principle.
Not driven a 718 but don’t think there’s anything wrong with a 4 cylinder turbo light and small car in principle.
rootsandculture said:
Not driven a 718 but don’t think there’s anything wrong with a 4 cylinder turbo light and small car in principle.
Lots seem to think I'm bagging the car in this thread but I'm not. It's a performance bargain ATM in my opinion. There aren't many (any?) options about if you want a reliable 2-3 year old mid-engined car for £30k?There's a nice Lava Orange 2.0T on AutoTrader with not silly miles for £30k. Year 2017 so should he coming out of warranty soon and would make a good mod platfirm. Color will put many off but perfect for a modder that's not shy. No PASM or PSE but you'd be changing that anyway so no point paying for it.
I tried to post link but it keeps getting taken down (no idea why)
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