718 Engine - This made me think...

[Andyoz]

Excluding the engine, that's the positive 718 Vs 981 comments I'm hearing

I've just looked at my local Porsche dealer (Belfast) and they have no used 718's apart from ones with delivery miles (customers not completing on their orders?). I can't blame OPC's not wanting 2 year old 718's on the premises. How can they sell new ones when punters see the depreciation first hand?

[SkinnyPete]

I'll add, having driven the range, my money would go on the base model. I personally didn't feel any performance difference between the base, S or GTS.

Sure things pass the window quicker, but I actually felt like the 2.0 was the smoother engine. On the 2.5 unit you can feel the variocam doing it's thing and I didn't like it.

[Andyoz]

Where are the aftermarket guys with equal length header options?

Modding lads going to have a field day with these cars in just a couple of years (a few years ahead of the normal cycle due to the 718's unusual depreciation curve).

[Andyoz]

Why did the 981 Black drop so much -
It's not like the 718's hammered it in the engine stakes?

[anonymous-user]

Andyoz said:

Why did the 981 Black drop so much -
It's not like the 718's hammered it in the engine stakes?

Kindergarten. 718 is better.....

[Andyoz]

Looking at the 981 and 718 depreciation stats shows how well 987.2 Caymans are holding up after nearly a decade. The lower 'recession' 2010/11 sales volumes helps of course.

987.2 Boxsters not doing so well.

[Lexington59]

Andyoz said:

Prices on used 718 Cayman 2.0 are starting to get silly. Lots hovering at very low £30k like this one that's barely 2 years old.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2019...

That looks to be a fairly basic spec. Presuming it’s not cheap for a reason @£39,878 new or thereabouts down to 33k in two years seems pretty normal to me, say 83% of the original list. At that same run rate (so presuming depreciation is not less in year three) I’m getting a price that’s 74% of the original list which seems unremarkable.

If that’s ‘silly’ then fill your boots. You must also remember the market is dead right now, these ‘losses’ are inconsequential compared to some of the high end stuff.

Don’t leave it too long though, by the spring I would almost certainly expect a market bounce.

[Andyoz]

There's loads of others at similar prices with other specs.

Markets been dead since summer. I wouldn't rely on spring bounce as details of the flat 6 718's (if any) will be known soon

[tedblog]

Andyoz said:

There's loads of others at similar prices with other specs.

Markets been dead since summer. I wouldn't rely on spring bounce as details of the flat 6 718's (if any) will be known soon

Yes but cost wise will be nearly double a base 2.0 and not so readily available?

[Andyoz]

tedblog said:

Andyoz said:

There's loads of others at similar prices with other specs.

Markets been dead since summer. I wouldn't rely on spring bounce as details of the flat 6 718's (if any) will be known soon

Yes but cost wise will be nearly double a base 2.0 and not so readily available?

Yes, but it's a having an effect.

Whichever way you look at it, used 718 and 981 values are converging fairly quickly. That must be a first for Porsche for current and older model pricing.

The 718 is obviously a nice tight package, lots talk about the improved EPS etc. It's good value no matter how you look at it if you like to own 'fresh' 2 year old cars IMO

[Andyoz]

Lexington59 said:

Andyoz said:

Prices on used 718 Cayman 2.0 are starting to get silly. Lots hovering at very low £30k like this one that's barely 2 years old.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2019...

That looks to be a fairly basic spec. Presuming it’s not cheap for a reason @£39,878 new or thereabouts down to 33k in two years seems pretty normal to me, say 83% of the original list. At that same run rate (so presuming depreciation is not less in year three) I’m getting a price that’s 74% of the original list which seems unremarkable.

If that’s ‘silly’ then fill your boots. You must also remember the market is dead right now, these ‘losses’ are inconsequential compared to some of the high end stuff.

Don’t leave it too long though, by the spring I would almost certainly expect a market bounce.

I doubt the new buyer drove out of the dealer only paying that price.

[tedblog]

Andyoz said:

It's good value no matter how you look at it if you like to own 'fresh' 2 year old cars IMO

I wouldnt disagree with that, plenty of potential owners looking to own a Porsche for very little?

[Andyoz]

tedblog said:

Andyoz said:

It's good value no matter how you look at it if you like to own 'fresh' 2 year old cars IMO

I wouldnt disagree with that, plenty of potential owners looking to own a Porsche for very little?

A friend's looking to move from 2.9 litre 987.2 into a base 718 and changeover could be around £16/17k. Pretty good considering he's jumping up two Cayman generations.

He loves the new 2.0lt. That little power plant must make the car feel nimble surely?

[Andyoz]

Anyone dailying a 987 will be more than happy with the interior uplift on even a basic 718.

It's becoming a compelling argument.

Personally, I still like the rawness of the 987 but it's not my daily.

The 718 is a beautiful car in the flesh and looks more expensive than it is. That will be enough to get many over the 'noise' thing.

[dunc_sx]

Andyoz said:

He loves the new 2.0lt. That little power plant must make the car feel nimble surely?

Think it's a heavier car actually.

Dunc.

[arcamalpha]

dunc_sx said:

Andyoz said:

He loves the new 2.0lt. That little power plant must make the car feel nimble surely?

Think it's a heavier car actually.

Dunc.

All the turbo gear weighs a lot. Turbo, extra piping, possibly more cooling and fluids.

[Andyoz]

arcamalpha said:

dunc_sx said:

Andyoz said:

He loves the new 2.0lt. That little power plant must make the car feel nimble surely?

Think it's a heavier car actually.

Dunc.

All the turbo gear weighs a lot. Turbo, extra piping, possibly more cooling and fluids.

Yes, you're right of course and I'd had a few Xmas bevvies when I wrote that., The piping, intercooler, turbo body and extra water.. Certain to weight more than the extra metal going from 4 pot to 6 pot.

I remember when we added intercooler to my Starion Turbo in the 90's how heavy all the 'gear' was. Holding the turbo alone in your hand - heavy lump of metal back then. It may be slightly better now

Local OPC has a few nearly new 2.0lt 718's. I'm really waiting for an excuse to try one. They had a well priced GT4 before Xmas that only lasted a few days. That would've been my excuse to visit.

Once the 718's start to come out of warranty en masses will be interested to see what modding culture develops. If you're prepared to accept slightly worse fuel economy I'd imagine some of the issue will be sorted in time (mapping, early revs on boost, exhaust) but it'll never sound like a screaming f6 but that's cool to in its own way too.

[anonymous-user]

Andyoz said:

Once the 718's start to come out of warranty en masse will be interested to see what modding culture develops. If you're prepared to accept slightly worse fuel economy I'd imagine some of the issue will be sorted in time.

I'm not sure many people are going to want to risk grenading an expensive engine - these things aren't oriental hatch-backs and it's not as if Porsche won't sell you a quicker car if you want one.

Base 718 with PDK is a brilliant car for the money IMO - PDK keeps that modest engine nicely on the boil.
With the manual transmission I'd want a gruntier "S".

[tedblog]

arcamalpha said:

All the turbo gear weighs a lot. Turbo, extra piping, possibly more cooling and fluids.

I think the 2.0t is lighter than the 2.7 981? The 981 s is 15kgs lighter than the 718 s, nothing really?

[HighwayStar]

rockin said:

Andyoz said:

For lads that already have a nice flat 6 (like a GT for the weekends) a 2yo base 718 would be a good fresh daily that sips fuel and gives a few years cheap maintenance.

Shhhhhh…. Be careful or you'll wake up the dinosaurs.

Nah... I’d definitely go along with the 718 as daily for commuting, motorway driving and easy lowdown grunt but for early Sunday morning drives.. nah. When I had one for a week it just sat on the drive. The lure just wasn’t there for me. I like the look of the 718 and the interior of course is an improvements but of no importance to me.
I prefer my 981 CS and if not wanting an F4T makes me a dinosaur I don’t care