718 Engine - This made me think...

[Andyoz]

HighwayStar said:

rockin said:

Andyoz said:

For lads that already have a nice flat 6 (like a GT for the weekends) a 2yo base 718 would be a good fresh daily that sips fuel and gives a few years cheap maintenance.

Shhhhhh…. Be careful or you'll wake up the dinosaurs.

Nah... I’d definitely go along with the 718 as daily for commuting, motorway driving and easy lowdown grunt but for early Sunday morning drives.. nah. When I had one for a week it just sat on the drive. The lure just wasn’t there for me. I like the look of the 718 and the interior of course is an improvements but of no importance to me.
I prefer my 981 CS and if not wanting an F4T makes me a dinosaur I don’t care

What I was getting at is have a nice older flat 6 GT etc but use the 2.0 718 as a daily. You're still driving a Porsche and if you're not pushing it hard you won't miss the flat 6 howl as your other car gives that. Nice fresh 3 year old car should be reliable too.

It would provide a contrast to the other dry day/weekender car.

I think a 718 registered Sept 2016 to Mar 2017 manual is only £235 tax

[HighwayStar]

Andyoz said:

HighwayStar said:

rockin said:

Andyoz said:

For lads that already have a nice flat 6 (like a GT for the weekends) a 2yo base 718 would be a good fresh daily that sips fuel and gives a few years cheap maintenance.

Shhhhhh…. Be careful or you'll wake up the dinosaurs.

Nah... I’d definitely go along with the 718 as daily for commuting, motorway driving and easy lowdown grunt but for early Sunday morning drives.. nah. When I had one for a week it just sat on the drive. The lure just wasn’t there for me. I like the look of the 718 and the interior of course is an improvements but of no importance to me.
I prefer my 981 CS and if not wanting an F4T makes me a dinosaur I don’t care

What I was getting at is have a nice older flat 6 GT etc but use the 2.0 718 as a daily. You're still driving a Porsche and if you're not pushing it hard you won't miss the flat 6 howl as your other car gives that. Nice fresh 3 year old car should be reliable too.

It would provide a contrast to the other dry day/weekender car.

I think a 718 registered Sept 2016 to Mar 2017 manual is only £235 tax

Yes, it was late and I was actually agreeing with you. 718 for the week, a base model would be fine. My 981 CS for when I want the full immersive drama.
As I’ve said before, I don’t think the 718 is a bad car. It just isn’t what I wanted when I finally got my 981.

[Lexington59]

Or, a view from a previous 987 owner, you can actually take the 718 for your Sunday morning blast as well as using it as a daily.

It can do both well, which is the beauty of the engine. Around town, in the pdk, “normal” mode will be very fuel efficient, then drop to sport or manual/paddles and using the higher rev ranges it will just fly down those country roads making the most of the much improved chassis. The sound you say? Actually an internet myth as the 718 sounds aggressive, more so in sport.

And around town? Nice, quiet and imo, a bit more civilised than my F6.

Superb cars really.

[tedblog]

Andyoz said:

What I was getting at is have a nice older flat 6 GT etc but use the 2.0 718 as a daily. You're still driving a Porsche and if you're not pushing it hard you won't miss the flat 6 howl as your other car gives that. Nice fresh 3 year old car should be reliable too.

It would provide a contrast to the other dry day/weekender car.

I think a 718 registered Sept 2016 to Mar 2017 manual is only £235 tax

Pdk actually cheaper in the 2.0 at £200

[Andyoz]

Yes, it's purely hypothetical for me as my daily will be the big Merc estate for family duties for the next few years. I'd be interested to try a 981 and 718 back to back for the EPS and chasis changes alone.

I had a good run in my 987 yesterday (surprisingly mild/dry Irish weather) and I won't be making any car changes soon but always like to see what Porsche are up to.

Intrigued what 6 cylinders may be announced for 2020. So far the German insurance company 'leak' of the 399hp 4.0 Cayman/Boxster GTS is all I've seen (could be bks)

Wonder if they go:

- Cayman = 3.0 at around 315hp up from current 2.5T 295hp to justify cost)

- Cayman S = 4.0 at around 365hp (up from current 2.5T 345hp to justify cost)

- Cayman GTS = 4.0 at 399hp.

Seems too complicated a product range to me though but basing everything on new 3.0 block has its economies of scale. I assume any F6 options would have to be their lowest volume ones wirh their emissions totals?

Either way, Porsche has to get any customer back that won't consider a F4 as no car manufacturer passes up sales in the current market. All Porsches are ordered in a more bespoke optioned manner than most car manufacturers anyway.

All very hypothetical but that's what forums are for.

[Twinfan]

I think the S will keep the 2.5 F4T...

[Andyoz]

tedblog said:

Andyoz said:

What I was getting at is have a nice older flat 6 GT etc but use the 2.0 718 as a daily. You're still driving a Porsche and if you're not pushing it hard you won't miss the flat 6 howl as your other car gives that. Nice fresh 3 year old car should be reliable too.

It would provide a contrast to the other dry day/weekender car.

I think a 718 registered Sept 2016 to Mar 2017 manual is only £235 tax

Pdk actually cheaper in the 2.0 at £200

Yes, I saw that.

If you had a manual weekend car then a 2.0lt PDK would make sense as a daily if living in a city (luckily I don't).

It just throws an interesting option into the mix for people sitting on £80k+ worth of GT Porsche (which I'd like to aspire to once kids are away)

[tedblog]

Also noted was that the 718 GTS couldnt be factory ordered anymore and they were selling off stock? It is still freely available to factory order?
Its so confusing as it seems they maybe late to the party with a fully electric 718 arriving in 2021/22 . I think the speed in advancement of fully electric cars has taken the car manufactures by surprise?
It seems that they are putting all their R & D into this as thats the way the market is heading and dont want to be left behind.

Edited by tedblog on Monday 30th December 11:23

[Andyoz]

I don't live in the city??

Luckily, some of Ireland's best driving roads are on my doorstep +Mourne Mountains). It's like Wales Evo Corner but without the average speed cameras. Lads bring their supercars down from Belfast to drive it.

That's why I've got a 2 seater.

[Andyoz]

tedblog said:

Also noted was that the 718 GTS couldnt be factory ordered anymore and they were selling off stock? It is still freely available to factory order?

I didn't fully get that bit. Are you saying it hasn't been possible to order a GTS for a while now?

[tedblog]

Andyoz said:

I didn't fully get that bit. Are you saying it hasn't been possible to order a GTS for a while now?

Its the debate that the new 718 6 will be the GTS and they will stop the the 4ft GTS, some report ie the the german insurance site and someone said they had stopped taking factory orders for 4FT GTS . The later is clearly incorrect.

[Andyoz]

tedblog said:

Andyoz said:

I didn't fully get that bit. Are you saying it hasn't been possible to order a GTS for a while now?

Its the debate that the new 718 6 will be the GTS and they will stop the the 4ft GTS, some report ie the the german insurance site and someone said they had stopped taking factory orders for 4FT GTS . The later is clearly incorrect.

All this intrigue is half the fun with Porsche ATM

[anonymous-user]

Interesting perspective from another 981 upgrader (not me)...

https://www.718forum.com/threads/day-3-of-718-boxs...

[Twinfan]

Not that interesting at all - some folks like the F4T 718s and some folks don't. Neither camp is "right" and neither will convince the other to change their opinion.

It it what it is.

[Broccers]

Interesting debate. I've had a manual 987.1 boxster 3.4 for a short while running alongside a 7.5 golf r estate. I get the noise thing more than most. It's nice to actually drive a car again instead of it doing it all itself. Going fast can be fun in different ways. I don't really miss all the tech in the 2018 golf when in the late 2007.

[Slippydiff]

Andyoz said:

All this intrigue is half the fun with Porsche ATM

I’m glad someone finds it to be fun. I find it dull, tedious and utterly tiresome personally.
Each to their own

[Andyoz]

Slippydiff said:

I’m glad someone finds it to be fun. I find it dull, tedious and utterly tiresome personally.
Each to their own

OK.

Porsche engine discussions dull?

Edited by Andyoz on Monday 30th December 18:02

[Andyoz]

Broccers said:

Interesting debate. I've had a manual 987.1 boxster 3.4 for a short while running alongside a 7.5 golf r estate. I get the noise thing more than most. It's nice to actually drive a car again instead of it doing it all itself. Going fast can be fun in different ways. I don't really miss all the tech in the 2018 golf when in the late 2007.

987 series is a special little thing with just the right power to weight ratio for road driving.

As they get on age wise I'm wondering what I'd move up to...

[Andyoz]

Twinfan said:

I think the S will keep the 2.5 F4T...

Makes commercial sense. Make the die hards pay the uplift for the GTS which is fine. It's probably the model I'll be watching long term.

Is there any difference between the gearing in the current GT4 and current 718 GTS?

[Twinfan]

Andyoz said:

Is there any difference between the gearing in the current GT4 and current 718 GTS?

Unless the final drive ratio is different, then no. All 987.2, 981 and 718 manual gearboxes are the same. 987.1 may be too?

Note that the 718 GTS in manual form has slightly less torque than the PDK version due to the limit on the manual gearbox.