718 GTS 4.0…

[bcr5784]

Romo said:

As I do understand;

The PCCB`s are better road suited then track. Wear and tear on track is far more heavier.

I`ve had the PCCB`s on my previous 981 GTS, and frankly, I loved them. I only had the car for 14K km and sold it because of the sh.tty steering. But the brakes were great, never had any issue with them.

I`ll spec them on my coming GT4 as well, I do not track the car.

Edited by Romo on Wednesday 19th February 18:43

Unfortunately there are many (including me) who would be wary of buying a car with PCCBs because of the potential for damage. The result is that the resale value of a car with PCCbs will be little different to one with steel brakes.

[Romo]

^^GT4 fun car, weekend warrior

DD is my M2


^Could be, but I think this will be on of the latest, possibly the latest Cayman ICE, and I will drive it like I stole it. As long as it lasts, as long there's fuel to buy

Edited by Romo on Wednesday 19th February 19:25

[FrankCayman]

Romo said:

^^GT4 fun car, weekend warrior

DD is my M2


^Could be, but I think this will be on of the latest, possibly the latest Cayman ICE, and I will drive it like I stole it. As long as it lasts, as long there's fuel to buy

Edited by Romo on Wednesday 19th February 19:25

How funny...I was thinking of getting an M2 for daily....and a Gt4 or 992.....as my last swangsong before the electric driverless revolution caves in on me!

I don't think this GTS 4.0 is special enough for me to get out of 981

[Milnsey]

If long term keeper then definitely spec pccb.
They will be cost neutral over ownership period
I’ve not spent a penny on mine in nearly 5 years , as opposed to 2k at least on steels on my previous 997 ( corrosion of inner surfaces)
No diference in braking performance on road but I definitely prefer the feel of pccb

[FrankCayman]

Milnsey said:

If long term keeper then definitely spec pccb.
They will be cost neutral over ownership period
I’ve not spent a penny on mine in nearly 5 years , as opposed to 2k at least on steels on my previous 997 ( corrosion of inner surfaces)
No diference in braking performance on road but I definitely prefer the feel of pccb

How many miles can PCCB's do with normal road use?

[Milnsey]

Seem to remember reading that 80- 100k possible

[anonymous-user]

bcr5784 said:

Bose is overpriced and very disappointing - and there will be too much road noise at speed to listen to a decent sound system.

Absolute nonsense. It's a significant improvement over the base system and we have no difficulty hearing it whatsoever. It's not particularly expensive either - Bose costs £830 whereas Burmester costs £2,800.

[Romo]

Milnsey said:

If long term keeper then definitely spec pccb.
They will be cost neutral over ownership period
I’ve not spent a penny on mine in nearly 5 years , as opposed to 2k at least on steels on my previous 997 ( corrosion of inner surfaces)
No diference in braking performance on road but I definitely prefer the feel of pccb

I definitely concur on this.

I testdrove the 718 Spyder on steels, the initial bite is somewhat vague / slow, they need temperature for solid breaking, they need more leg force.

The initial breaking bite on the 981 C GTS was imminent, the pedal feel was great. I do like that braking character more, the rest of the PCCB`s is a bonus

[Twinfan]

Think about if you want to run the extended warranty too. I'm planning on doing so and didn't fancy being told my PCCBs needed replacing in order to pass a 111-point check.

I also like to brake and heel/toe, so the steels make subtle modulation of braking easier IMHO. I find PCCBs a bit more on/off in action.

[bcr5784]

rockin said:

Absolute nonsense. It's a significant improvement over the base system and we have no difficulty hearing it whatsoever. It's not particularly expensive either - Bose costs £830 whereas Burmester costs £2,800.

Clearly I'm not alone in taking that view. Listen for yourself and form your own view. Not heard Burmester - but a friend who had it didn't thnk it was that special either. Price, number of speakers or watts is no guarantee of quality. He, like me, has experience of the 4 speaker 180 watt Focal Alpine A110 system.

Edited by bcr5784 on Wednesday 19th February 21:50

Edited by bcr5784 on Wednesday 19th February 21:52

[bigmowley]

rockin said:

bcr5784 said:

Bose is overpriced and very disappointing - and there will be too much road noise at speed to listen to a decent sound system.

Absolute nonsense. It's a significant improvement over the base system and we have no difficulty hearing it whatsoever. It's not particularly expensive either - Bose costs £830 whereas Burmester costs £2,800.

I agree with most that the Bose is disappointing and the SPP is absolutely dire. The level of background noise and tyre noise is so high that it was overwhelming the audio system.
I took the plunge on my Spyder and specified it with the Burmester. It’s brilliant. It’s much clearer and so much more powerful. I listen to 5Live sport or house music. In the Spyder I can listen to both easily at fast motorway speeds top down and it massively enhances my enjoyment of the car. Mind you the rest of the traffic might not agree.

Especially useful since the exhaust note is a bit boring

Take the plunge you know you want to

[arcamalpha]

I think it’s funny how every review praises the noise of the engine yet in the GT4/Spyder it’s not good enough!

[tedblog]

Nearly £3k and add nothing to the residual of the car , stick with the Bose

[cardigankid]

bcr5784 said:

Clearly I'm not alone in taking that view. Listen for yourself and form your own view. Not heard Burmester - but a friend who had it didn't thnk it was that special either. Price, number of speakers or watts is no guarantee of quality. He, like me, has experience of the 4 speaker 180 watt Focal Alpine A110 system.

I’m hearing you. I’ll get a few test drives with the different systems. I’ve got a little while.

[bigmowley]

arcamalpha said:

I think it’s funny how every review praises the noise of the engine yet in the GT4/Spyder it’s not good enough!

It's all a question of degrees of aural pleasure.
The exhaust noise is quite nice when you're giving it the beans, but not a patch on a non PPF Porsche 6 pot, my direct comparison is with my CR. It's certainly a lot nicer than the F4 although I've only ever driven one of those for a couple of days.
At low speed and definitely at motorway cruise it's not a nice noise, just a loud flat tuneless blare. Which is exactly when I want to listen to a podcast or some music or live sports. Hence the need for the best sound system that you can afford, justify or whatever. All in IMHO and all that.

[dreamcar]

In this weeks Autocar the 718 Boxster GTS is once again a five star car all down at last to the 718 GTS having a great engine once more - and £10k cheaper than a Spyder. Still wouldn’t spend the probable £30k+ to upgrade to not a hugely better car than my 981 BGTS, and in some ways not as good - and it is now an old design having been out in 981 form since 2013.

[bcr5784]

dreamcar said:

In this weeks Autocar the 718 Boxster GTS is once again a five star car all down at last to the 718 GTS having a great engine once more - and £10k cheaper than a Spyder. Still wouldn’t spend the probable £30k+ to upgrade to not a hugely better car than my 981 BGTS, and in some ways not as good - and it is now an old design having been out in 981 form since 2013.

I think the other consideration, not mentioned, is economy. If you are going to use the car as a daily and are not bothered about the extra performance/kudos of the 4 litre engine economy might be an issue. The 3.8 GT4 was a thirsty beast - not a big issue if the car is a weekend/trackday car. However the GTS 4.0 needs to be more rounded. It remains to be seen how much cylinder deactivation helps and if reports of it being rather jerky are borne out. The NEDC (equivalent in GTS case) are GT4 238, GTS246 suggesting the GTS might be a tad more thirsty.

Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 20th February 13:41

[CanadianGTS]

I decided to spec the Burmester in my 981 Boxster GTS and have never regretted it, even though I usually have PSE activated. If you have the coin and like to have good quality sound, you should give Burmester a listen before you decide. My experience was that both the Base and the Bose were poor, so I voted for the Burmester. YMMV

[dreamcar]

anonymous said:

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[cardigankid]

I agree - if it's not broke don't fix it. Any car I buy is a potential keeper.