718 GTS 4.0…

[Twinfan]

JayK12 said:

Yeah but for people who already have a 981 GTS now its a 30K upgrade, some not an easy decision. If I still had my 981 GTS i wouldn't upgrade to a 718 GTS just doesn't give enough for 30K change.

It gets a brake upgrade, upgraded EPS and chassis, a 65bhp engine hike and you can spec LWBS seats and you' re moving from a 4-5 year old car to a brand new one.

If I wasn't going GT4 I think I'd be making the switch.

[GT4P]

JasonSteel said:

i was referring to the 0-60 time. 4.5 seconds from the GT derived 4L F6 is about the same as the 981GTS

0-60s are not good figures to go by I prefer 30-70 or 0-100 but 4.5 to 62 is same as 981gt4 (4.2 to 60)

[GT4P]

JayK12 said:

Think the 718 GTS is 30kg heavier than the 981.

More likely the difference is down to WLTP this has been discussed before

[shiggy]

well sorted 981 GTS seems like excellent value now.

[JayK12]

GT4P said:

JayK12 said:

Yeah but for people who already have a 981 GTS now its a 30K upgrade, some not an easy decision. If I still had my 981 GTS i wouldn't upgrade to a 718 GTS just doesn't give enough for 30K change.

To somewhat I would agree on the cost side but this is nothing new when I traded from 5 year old 986.2S to new 987.1cs in 2009 it cost me £25k and that was with a 17% discount on the Cayman and then it cost me £20k from a nearly 3 year old 987.1cs to a new heavily discounted(17%) 987.2 spyder! But since then I have been lucky not to loose my shirt and think the 718/6 car is a car that will have a low depreciation curve as last of the flat6 na engine

Yup if you want a new car then I guess the 718 has enough to make you move to it, but its going to be a bit better in a few area's, a lot better in steering, and a lot worse in sound (if you'll like the noise of 981). Never the less its going to be a similar car but some nice upgrades.

I'd go for the 981 Spyder, 90KG lighter than the 718, passive suspension, and the noise is awesome.

[Cheib]

JayK12 said:

GT98 said:

Cheib said:

Can’t help thinking the restricted colour choice on GT4/Spyder and the decision to make more colours available for the GTS including Python Green is an attempt by Porsche to drive buyers to the GTS so taking some pressure off demand for the GT cars. Definitely not a coincidence that these cars have been launched in what is effectively Viper Green which is very popular on GT cars.

250 cars must be initial allocation...that’s 6 or 7 cars per OPC for the whole year.

Think your right the Spyder has no direct competition so they spotted a gap in the market. Clever! It seems they playing the limit run game very well if only 250 cars on first release.

I think both of these cars have the market cornered. If your after a new rwd 2 seater mid engine NA sports car.......there is no where else to go......

There will be a lot more than 250!

[JayK12]

Twinfan said:

JayK12 said:

Yeah but for people who already have a 981 GTS now its a 30K upgrade, some not an easy decision. If I still had my 981 GTS i wouldn't upgrade to a 718 GTS just doesn't give enough for 30K change.

It gets a brake upgrade, upgraded EPS and chassis, a 65bhp engine hike and you can spec LWBS seats and you' re moving from a 4-5 year old car to a brand new one.

If I wasn't going GT4 I think I'd be making the switch.

The only driving upgrade I would say is the EPS, the rest wouldn't make much of a difference to me on the road over a 981. £4000 for buckets in a road car.........I'd be happy with the low slung 2 or 18 way seats for the road.

[cowboyengineer]

This is going to be my order

PLTR92U2

[JayK12]

anonymous said:

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I'll rephrase that, a quieter sound from the exhaust. Noise has always been one form me, especially in soft tops when trashing through mountain top roads, echoing of the sides, and the downsifts in the 981 were great. Probably because I'm a big Ferrari fan and also loved the sound, the 981 BGTS Manual reminded me of my 360 Spider Manual.

[boxsey]

GT4P said:

JasonSteel said:

i was referring to the 0-60 time. 4.5 seconds from the GT derived 4L F6 is about the same as the 981GTS

0-60s are not good figures to go by I prefer 30-70 or 0-100 but 4.5 to 62 is same as 981gt4 (4.2 to 60)

Indeed. 0-60 is pretty much irrelevant these days and these cars are not aimed at the traffic light grand prix. Best leave that to the mapped hot hatch boys!

[JasonSteel]

boxsey said:

GT4P said:

JasonSteel said:

i was referring to the 0-60 time. 4.5 seconds from the GT derived 4L F6 is about the same as the 981GTS

0-60s are not good figures to go by I prefer 30-70 or 0-100 but 4.5 to 62 is same as 981gt4 (4.2 to 60)

Indeed. 0-60 is pretty much irrelevant these days and these cars are not aimed at the traffic light grand prix. Best leave that to the mapped hot hatch boys!

was just making the point that such a leap forward in engine tech and size hasn't really done much for the acceleration from a standstill and the 981 isn't great to 60 to start with...

have no interest in traffic light grand prix.

[Koln-RS]

And, Porsche are traditionally conservative with their performance figures anyway.

[bcr5784]

JayK12 said:

I think both of these cars have the market cornered. If your after a new rwd 2 seater mid engine NA sports car.......there is no where else to go......

Oh yes there is (if you group supercharged with NA as you should) Evora. Pricey, but ticks all the boxes - including analogue suspension if that is important to you. I'd have to drive the 718/6 to make a judgement - but I'd rate an Evora 400 above any 981.

[bcr5784]

anonymous said:

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Frankly I found the throttle response of the Evora (no reason why it should be any different from a NA engine)- and the engine as a whole - better than the 981. Add the fact that the steering is better, the ride/handling balance is better (according to Gordon Murray),, the gear ratios more sensible, refinement is better and dynamically you have a car that is better. Sure if leather/contrasting stitching, infotainment and cosmetic issues matter more , then a Cayman may have more appeal. But as a drivers car the Evora has a clear edge imo.

[Miopyk]

It's interesting that this hasn't coincided with a general refresh of the range that was also widely anticipated. Perhaps there's more to come

[TDT]

Miopyk said:

It's interesting that this hasn't coincided with a general refresh of the range that was also widely anticipated. Perhaps there's more to come

There is no refresh. Porsche have already told us, this the platform until they go EV for this segment.

[bcr5784]

anonymous said:

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Have it your way (I'm sure you will) but I defy anyone who didn't know (and didn't hear the supercharger whine) to tell that the engine was supercharged. As a result an Evora is a perfectly valid alternative to anyone wanting the characteristics (let's get pedantic) of an NA engine with a manual gearbox - which, as I said, has significant dynamic advantages over 981s

Edited by bcr5784 on Thursday 16th January 19:55

[Miopyk]

anonymous said:

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Yes, this is what I mean, a 982.2 if you like.

[TDT]

anonymous said:

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Current gen is 982 internal designation.
I don’t think Cayster is going to get a 992 equivalent until they go EV. Thats certainly what has been said so far.

[TDT]

anonymous said:

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Ok got ya, but not sure that is coming.
Guess we’ll see