718 GTS 4.0…

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Current gen is 982 internal designation.
I don’t think Cayster is going to get a 992 equivalent until they go EV. Thats certainly what has been said so far.

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Ok got ya, but not sure that is coming.
Guess we’ll see

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Further to this, I wonder if we might see the GT3 engine in a non-GT Chassis 992, next time around.

The car would be the new GTS?
GT3 engine slight detune vs full fat GT3
Non-GT Chassis.
Option for 4 seats.
PDK or Manual

This car then replaces the GT3 touring… as everyone really wanted 4 seats and PDK lol.

We then get a full fat GT3 with wing only, and a banzai crazy RS

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To be fair the GTS is the most appropriate car for most people if they are honest about how they intend to use the car.
They will probably be much happier also as they have paid less and will be inclined to use the car more, rather than worried about residuals and mileage and keeping up with the Jones’.
Glad Porsche offer the choices now and appear to have listened to the customer votes as it was hurting their bottom line for this segment.

I LOVED my 981 CGTS for 3 years. Best pure road car and daily I’ve had to date. I drove the wheels off it and no-expense-spared looked after it.
I tried hunting it down hoping to find out that it was with a proper owner, and fortunately they got in touch with me, when they had recently acquired. Barely had more miles on that when I let it go. He’s enjoying it now.

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Geneve said:

You really have to put the GT4 on track to access it's USP. Both my son, an am racer, and my daughter, a pro-racer, loved the GT4 on track, the only problem was the state of the tyres when they'd had their fun

This is why I say most people are buying the wrong car and a GTS is more appropriate for them.

GT# used to mean track special and comparatively pared back vs cooking models.
Now for most it means trinkets and status symbol.

My point here is that the initial allocations don’t go to the intended users as per the ‘raison d’etre’ for the car.

Porsche experimented with broadening usability with the introduction of PDK and updating interiors with Leather, stitching and Alcantara. If it was still plastics and nomex, wonder what the state of play really would be.

Maybe we will end up in a place where GTS actually gets some motorsport branding in order to expand the GT range and allow Porsche to cash in and for customers to by into the range just like BMW M or Audi RS or Merc AMG.

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Twinfan said:

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This is why I say most people are buying the wrong car and a GTS is more appropriate for them.

GT# used to mean track special and comparatively pared back vs cooking models.
Now for most it means trinkets and status symbol.

My point here is that the initial allocations don’t go to the intended users as per the ‘raison d’etre’ for the car.

Careful, you're starting to sound like 911R Your comments would apply to GT3, GT3RS and GT2RSs as well, probably even more so given their increased speed.

A 1400kg car isn't a track special, it's a road car that can handle regular track work in addition to getting you there and back.

There's a lot of incorrect sweeping assumptions made about GT car ownership being some sort of badge to parade in front of others - maybe some people just buy them because they like them?

Quite right that my comments apply to GT3, GT4 and RS models or even now Weissach Pack, lol.
I didn’t call GT cars pure track cars or pure race cars. But the initial purpose of these cars was to be homolgation of racing and that these cars are engineered to be used on track without changing anything.
Go back to the launch of the 996 GT3. That was Genesis. Fact.
Things are quite different now. Fact.
For a lot of people it’s like buying M or RS or AMG, or MacBook Pro or IPad Pro.
They aren’t ‘pro’s’ and have not intention of even capacity to use it at ‘pro’ level. But its top of the line, so they’ve got to have it.
People can buy what they like - my gripe is when it denies a ‘proper’ driver an opportunity or it cost that person more due to market forces, including ‘market management’.
Sounds like Porsche is fixing this with increased supply now, so no offense should be taken.

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Porsche911R said:

swanny71 said:

Ignoring the finance numbers for a second, could you give us more detail on the test drive you had before it was released to or driven by the rest of the world?
Interested to hear your expert opinion on what makes it an average car.
Thanks

it's the ave model In the range it's not a 2.0 base car and not a 992 Turbo S or a GT2 RS.
it's a £65k main stream model so paying £12/15k PA to run a car at that value is mental imo.

has nothing to do with test drives ! has to do with car values.

as an example for same £920 a month and only £1k down you can run a 600LT and that's a £215k car !
if you are renting a car for £1k a month why rent a £65k one ! you may as well rent a £200k one !

Obviously depends on what you are doing with the car, and doesn't take into account actual running costs...but as a use of monthly money statement...

I'd like to see a link for 600LT deal also.

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Back to the future.. https://youtu.be/vvqvJsPmJG4

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krispe said:

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Back to the future.. https://youtu.be/vvqvJsPmJG4

Interesting video. I would love a CGTS 4.0 just to have a new one to my spec but I can't justify the extra £30k price it would cost me to replace my current 981 CGTS. No doubt the 718 GTS 4.0 is a better car in so many ways but even I can't get my my "man maths" to work enough to justify the cost to change when I still love my current 981 version.

When you watch a video like that it makes it tricky doesn't it.

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Twinfan said:

Indeed. The 981 GTS is a great car, if you already have one you're happy with it's very hard to justify a change unless you REALLY need something your current car doesn't have.

Like a rear wing! lol

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I thought there was an embargo until Monday 17th?

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Yep. Embargo lifted.

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GT4 does have some solid mounting even it's not every joint.... fully rose jointed would be an issue on the road.
So this is where they claim rose jointed.

e.g. Top mounts are solid from the factory.

I have added monoball LCAs and other spherical mounted parts to my car - which make it feel a bit nicer and increase precision interns of retaining its geometry under load.

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Porsche911R said:

av185 said:

Friday afternoon or Monday morning build slot......

They must have used mine for all the GT4 LCA magical rose joints all the press have made up.

lol.

As isaldiri and i have said and we all know.. it doesn't take much for Porsche so spin out a yarn of marketing based on some extraneously tenuous link. So one solid mount now = Rose jointed suspension for the masses, that might hear rose jointed and think that = motorsport, race car, drive flat out!.

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Andyoz said:

When will Chris Harris review land?

Don't know if we'll get one. Did we get a 718GT4/Spyder review yet? We didn't get one of the 981 GTS..it was kinda bundled into the start of the 981 GT4 video...he said he loved it and how could Porsche build a better sports car?...enter the GT4.

Much tougher to say that this time around for road driving...which is all most of these cars will ever see. Difference is literally only the suspension components and the stability management controls.

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Twinfan said:

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Difference is literally only the suspension components and the stability management controls.

Plus aero and brakes...

Those differences is not relevant for road for 95% of people. I know cmoose is in the last 5% or less.

On paper...bigger brakes and extra bodywork also make the GT4 heavier that a GTS this time around..
in the 981 GT4 was the same weight as Manual GTS despite caring the extra hardware.

Probably none of this matter for most punters anyway... won't be able to tell the difference.

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Andyoz said:

TDT said:

Those differences is not relevant for road for 95% of people. I know cmoose is in the last 5% or less.

On paper...bigger brakes and extra bodywork also make the GT4 heavier that a GTS this time around..
in the 981 GT4 was the same weight as Manual GTS despite caring the extra hardware.

Probably none of this matter for most punters anyway... won't be able to tell the difference.

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Most GTS buyers will be more interested in the fact it can go over speed humps

Absolutely. I loved my 981 CGTS - brilliant road car and my daily for 3years.
I don't think you need another car for taking yourself a to b... it could do everything.

Ref speed humps - its the larger splitter rather the ride height. The splitter changes the angle of attack.

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Twinfan said:

TDT said:

Twinfan said:

TDT said:

Difference is literally only the suspension components and the stability management controls.

Plus aero and brakes...

Those differences is not relevant for road for 95% of people.

I never said whether they were relevant or not, but they are a difference between the models.

I know.. I said they are irrelevant for 95% of people, that will end up buying either of these cars. That is to said for the purposes of their use - they will never realise the difference of an inverted damper vs a normal damper, or split lower wishbones or adjustable ARBS.

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Not for peak braking performance - which is determined by tyre anyway.

You'll not be braking on the road anywhere near the limit of a GTS let alone the repeatable performance of the GT4 - so not relevant for road.

Anyway... each to their own.