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Porsche911R said:
shost said:
I've used third party finance for this reason as can pick Final Payment and place larger deposit.
You cannot normally choose the final payment ! That’s why you have a gfv which is normally low anyway.
I used to do a lot of work with these types of loans back in the days....
You've got to take your hat off to the Porsche marketing beast at it's best yet again!
There's the unobtainable 718 GT4 @ £75kish, however this can be easily substituted by the spec-ed 718 GTS @ £70kish readily available.
Several friends are already considering the GTS as opposed to the unicorn GT4 having submitted LOI's long time ago. Once you show a glimmer of interest in an alternative option the GT4 becomes even more unicorn!
There's the unobtainable 718 GT4 @ £75kish, however this can be easily substituted by the spec-ed 718 GTS @ £70kish readily available.
Several friends are already considering the GTS as opposed to the unicorn GT4 having submitted LOI's long time ago. Once you show a glimmer of interest in an alternative option the GT4 becomes even more unicorn!
To be fair the GTS is the most appropriate car for most people if they are honest about how they intend to use the car.
They will probably be much happier also as they have paid less and will be inclined to use the car more, rather than worried about residuals and mileage and keeping up with the Jones’.
Glad Porsche offer the choices now and appear to have listened to the customer votes as it was hurting their bottom line for this segment.
I LOVED my 981 CGTS for 3 years. Best pure road car and daily I’ve had to date. I drove the wheels off it and no-expense-spared looked after it.
I tried hunting it down hoping to find out that it was with a proper owner, and fortunately they got in touch with me, when they had recently acquired. Barely had more miles on that when I let it go. He’s enjoying it now.
They will probably be much happier also as they have paid less and will be inclined to use the car more, rather than worried about residuals and mileage and keeping up with the Jones’.
Glad Porsche offer the choices now and appear to have listened to the customer votes as it was hurting their bottom line for this segment.
I LOVED my 981 CGTS for 3 years. Best pure road car and daily I’ve had to date. I drove the wheels off it and no-expense-spared looked after it.
I tried hunting it down hoping to find out that it was with a proper owner, and fortunately they got in touch with me, when they had recently acquired. Barely had more miles on that when I let it go. He’s enjoying it now.
Edited by TDT on Friday 24th January 23:56
Edited by TDT on Saturday 25th January 03:08
TDT said:
To be fair the GTS is the most appropriate car for most people if they are honest about how they intend to use the car.
I'm not sure that's true. The Spyder has the same chassis as the GT4 yet it's pitched as a road car not a track toy. So aside from an electric roof, which for a weekend car probably makes little difference, you're choosing which chassis and looks you prefer. You could argue the same for the GT4 vs GTS too, given that both can be specced with similar creature comforts.I see it as a choice between the GT car or one with a cheaper price and a slightly "softer" chassis. Both could be used to do the same job as the other, it's down to what you're personally looking for in a car and what experience you want or need from it.
I wish the 981 was good, but the steering is the worse car in Porsche history for feel, such a shame as I would be in a 981 as a daily no issue. Same issue in the 991.1 :-(
Both are the worse feeling cars made by Porsche, enough for them to be a no go for me and the cost to try lost me £7k !! and I knew about the s
t steering, but I talked myself into it.
Big mistake.
981 and 991 are lemons imo a good 987 costs more to buy 2nd hand now as does a 997.
Cannot really go wrong with a 987.2 2.9 for £20k but no pose value but the better drive by a county mile.
Both are the worse feeling cars made by Porsche, enough for them to be a no go for me and the cost to try lost me £7k !! and I knew about the s
t steering, but I talked myself into it.Big mistake.
981 and 991 are lemons imo a good 987 costs more to buy 2nd hand now as does a 997.
Cannot really go wrong with a 987.2 2.9 for £20k but no pose value but the better drive by a county mile.
Twinfan said:
I'm not sure that's true. The Spyder has the same chassis as the GT4 yet it's pitched as a road car not a track toy. So aside from an electric roof, which for a weekend car probably makes little difference, you're choosing which chassis and looks you prefer. You could argue the same for the GT4 vs GTS too, given that both can be specced with similar creature comforts.
I see it as a choice between the GT car or one with a cheaper price and a slightly "softer" chassis. Both could be used to do the same job as the other, it's down to what you're personally looking for in a car and what experience you want or need from it.
I had great issues trying to use my GT4 as a daily. I see it as a choice between the GT car or one with a cheaper price and a slightly "softer" chassis. Both could be used to do the same job as the other, it's down to what you're personally looking for in a car and what experience you want or need from it.
It’s too low, got stuck in a car park in Wales, (not fun) had to avoid multi story’s , then cup 2 tyres etc etc.
A GTS has none of those 3 major issues for daily use.
The 718 lips look to be a much bigger issue again over a 981 gt.
Edited by Porsche911R on Saturday 25th January 10:12
Porsche911R said:
but no pose value
you keep going on about pose value but some of us just want a car that satisfies us visually as well as emotionally.i have no interest in being seen or otherwise 'posing' in my car. and if it's posing you want to do then a Cayman is the wrong car anyway...
Porsche911R said:
The 718 lips
worse than that, i just can't get along with that "i didn't put my teeth in today" front bumperPorsche911R said:
I wish the 981 was good, but the steering is the worse car in Porsche history for feel, such a shame as I would be in a 981 as a daily no issue. Same issue in the 991.1 :-(
Both are the worse feeling cars made by Porsche, enough for them to be a no go for me and the cost to try lost me £7k !! and I knew about the st steering, but I talked myself into it.
Big mistake.
981 and 991 are lemons imo a good 987 costs more to buy 2nd hand now as does a 997.
Cannot really go wrong with a 987.2 2.9 for £20k but no pose value but the better drive by a county mile.
Completely agree on steering feel and character. It was just awful.Both are the worse feeling cars made by Porsche, enough for them to be a no go for me and the cost to try lost me £7k !! and I knew about the s
t steering, but I talked myself into it.Big mistake.
981 and 991 are lemons imo a good 987 costs more to buy 2nd hand now as does a 997.
Cannot really go wrong with a 987.2 2.9 for £20k but no pose value but the better drive by a county mile.
I had a full speed 981 C GTS, as much as I loved the in- and exterior, the awesome PDK, engine, PCCB brakes, the steering blew it completely for me. That car deserved so much better on steering. No feeling feel , very slow initial steering input/reaction. The most weird steering I ever had on my cars
For me the only reason to go for a GT4, the 981 GT4 steered far more better then my 981 C GTS, a 4.0 GTS in the Netherlands costs; €138 K a 718 GT4 costs € 150K, so the cost won't make that much of a difference to me, the GT4 it must be.
Edited by Romo on Saturday 25th January 10:53
Porsche911R said:
I had great issues trying to use my GT4 as a daily.
It’s too low, got stuck in a car park in Wales, (not fun) had to avoid multi story’s , then cup 2 tyres etc etc.
A GTS has none of those 3 major issues for daily use.
The 718 lips look to be a much bigger issue again over a 981 gt.
If you drive to work which has a flat open car park then you could easily daily either a GT4 or a GTS. It depends on your personal circumstances.It’s too low, got stuck in a car park in Wales, (not fun) had to avoid multi story’s , then cup 2 tyres etc etc.
A GTS has none of those 3 major issues for daily use.
The 718 lips look to be a much bigger issue again over a 981 gt.
Parking a low slung car in a multi-story is just asking for trouble. My wife scuffed her GT86 when it was impossible to get out of one so it's not just a Porsche GT issue, the GT86 is not especially low or overhung.
What I'm saying is there's no black or white rule regarding daily drivers.
Porsche911R said:
JasonSteel said:
you keep going on about pose value but some of us just want a car that satisfies us visually.
Is that not pose value ? Not giving a st how it drives, Also posting on forums you have one etcetc. ?
"Satisfies me visually" - I like the look of the car
"Pose value" - I care what other people think of the look of the car.
Romo said:
Completely agree on steering feel and character. It was just awful.
I had a full speed 981 C GTS, as much as I loved the in- and exterior, the awesome PDK, engine, PCCB brakes, the steering blew it completely for me. That car deserved so much better on steering. No feeling feel , very slow initial steering input/reaction. The most weird steering I ever had on my cars
For me the only reason to go for a GT4, the 981 GT4 steered far more better then my 981 C GTS, a 4.0 GTS in the Netherlands costs; €138 K a 718 GT4 costs € 150K, so the cost won't make that much of a difference to me, the GT4 it must be.
Yep fully agree , the 981 is close to perfect bar one issue, but it’s major.I had a full speed 981 C GTS, as much as I loved the in- and exterior, the awesome PDK, engine, PCCB brakes, the steering blew it completely for me. That car deserved so much better on steering. No feeling feel , very slow initial steering input/reaction. The most weird steering I ever had on my cars
For me the only reason to go for a GT4, the 981 GT4 steered far more better then my 981 C GTS, a 4.0 GTS in the Netherlands costs; €138 K a 718 GT4 costs € 150K, so the cost won't make that much of a difference to me, the GT4 it must be.
Edited by Romo on Saturday 25th January 10:53
Every gen models with Porsche has major flaws lol
Gen 1 PDK crap, gen one PASM crap, gen one eps crap.
Then the long gearing issues .
Issue is most models have gen one tech in them for the last 20 years bar manual 987.2 and 997.2's. And the 991.2 GT3.
Still better than the competition, but that’s not saying much.
When you drill down great Porsche cars over the last 15 years there are not many models to choose from, but they are there to find and enjoy.
Porsche911R said:
I had great issues trying to use my GT4 as a daily.
It’s too low, got stuck in a car park in Wales, (not fun) had to avoid multi story’s , then cup 2 tyres etc etc.
A GTS has none of those 3 major issues for daily use.
The 718 lips look to be a much bigger issue again over a 981 gt.
Tend to agree. I ran a 981GT4, 981GTS and 991GT3T back to back and, now, looking at the 718GT4 and GTS, a correctly spec'd GTS will doubtless make a more comfortable and convenient everyday road car - especially on UK roads. PASM, Sports Seats, PCCBs and road tyres are the comfort/convenience factors. It’s too low, got stuck in a car park in Wales, (not fun) had to avoid multi story’s , then cup 2 tyres etc etc.
A GTS has none of those 3 major issues for daily use.
The 718 lips look to be a much bigger issue again over a 981 gt.
Edited by Porsche911R on Saturday 25th January 10:12
You really have to put the GT4 on track to access it's USP. Both my son, an am racer, and my daughter, a pro-racer, loved the GT4 on track, the only problem was the state of the tyres when they'd had their fun
Porsche911R said:
JasonSteel said:
you keep going on about pose value but some of us just want a car that satisfies us visually.
Is that not pose value ? Not giving a st how it drives, Also posting on forums you have one etcetc. ?
t how it drives and i agree the steering isn't the best, but everything else hits the spot, so for me it's a compromise i can live with.you said it yourself:
Porsche911R said:
Yep fully agree , the 981 is close to perfect bar one issue
i'll take close to perfect for now 
TDT said:
To be fair the GTS is the most appropriate car for most people if they are honest about how they intend to use the car.
They will probably be much happier also as they have paid less and will be inclined to use the car more, rather than worried about residuals and mileage and keeping up with the Jones’.
Glad Porsche offer the choices now and appear to have listened to the customer votes as it was hurting their bottom line for this segment.
I would jump at chance to own the new Spyder and GT4 but the game moves on so much that 718 GTS in 2.5 form was on 981 GT4 pace yet more usuable. Throw in the 4.0NA lump and I'm fairly smitten.They will probably be much happier also as they have paid less and will be inclined to use the car more, rather than worried about residuals and mileage and keeping up with the Jones’.
Glad Porsche offer the choices now and appear to have listened to the customer votes as it was hurting their bottom line for this segment.
Does anyone know the approach angle for the GTS vs GT4?
anonymous said:
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Absolutely. Still enjoyment to be had. Generally have to get up early or get off beaten path. A fun fast car can make still make even a brief mundane section a moment to savour. Edited by shost on Saturday 25th January 12:05
TDT said:
To be fair the GTS is the most appropriate car for most people if they are honest about how they intend to use the car.
They will probably be much happier also as they have paid less and will be inclined to use the car more, rather than worried about residuals and mileage and keeping up with the Jones’.
Glad Porsche offer the choices now and appear to have listened to the customer votes as it was hurting their bottom line for this segment.
I LOVED my 981 CGTS for 3 years. Best pure road car and daily I’ve had to date. I drove the wheels off it and no-expense-spared looked after it.
I tried hunting it down hoping to find out that it was with a proper owner, and fortunately they got in touch with me, when they had recently acquired. Barely had more miles on that when I let it go. He’s enjoying it now.
I agree with a lot of this....GTS is definitely a better year round road car. I remember the ex Sales Manager at my OPC saying a well specced manual Cayman GTS was his favourite road car Porsche made. He owned a GT4 himself. They will probably be much happier also as they have paid less and will be inclined to use the car more, rather than worried about residuals and mileage and keeping up with the Jones’.
Glad Porsche offer the choices now and appear to have listened to the customer votes as it was hurting their bottom line for this segment.
I LOVED my 981 CGTS for 3 years. Best pure road car and daily I’ve had to date. I drove the wheels off it and no-expense-spared looked after it.
I tried hunting it down hoping to find out that it was with a proper owner, and fortunately they got in touch with me, when they had recently acquired. Barely had more miles on that when I let it go. He’s enjoying it now.
Edited by TDT on Friday 24th January 23:56
Edited by TDT on Saturday 25th January 03:08
I do wonder what they will do with the 992 GTS....it’s going to be a bit underwhelming on the engine front compared to the 718 GTS.
Saw a lovely Carmine Red 718 GTS on a 69 plate in St Albans this morning....couldn’t help thinking how gutted the owner must be.
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