718 GTS 4.0…

[WG]

Cheib said:

I agree with a lot of this....GTS is definitely a better year round road car. I remember the ex Sales Manager at my OPC saying a well specced manual Cayman GTS was his favourite road car Porsche made. He owned a GT4 himself.

I do wonder what they will do with the 992 GTS....it’s going to be a bit underwhelming on the engine front compared to the 718 GTS.

Saw a lovely Carmine Red 718 GTS on a 69 plate in St Albans this morning....couldn’t help thinking how gutted the owner must be.

You are assuming that the driver of the GTS you saw has the same values as you re enjoyment. He may well be very happy with the 4 cylinder engine. I have a 2 year old 718 BGTS (which replaced a 987 Spyder) and have a 718 Spyder coming later this year.Until it arrives I will continue enjoying my current car. I am not purchasing the Spyder solely because of the engine - I like the styling and would have bought it even if it had a 4 pot.I do not "feel gutted" by the launch of the 6 cylinder GTS ! I accept that I may suffer some additional depreciation . Current models usually suffer when a newer model or facelift is launched - that's life. Having said that I don't expect that the impact will be that great until the 6 cylinder cars start hitting the used market as there is quite a price gap between a new 6 and a used 4 and may therefore be appealing to a different sector of the marfket.

[TDT]

Geneve said:

You really have to put the GT4 on track to access it's USP. Both my son, an am racer, and my daughter, a pro-racer, loved the GT4 on track, the only problem was the state of the tyres when they'd had their fun

This is why I say most people are buying the wrong car and a GTS is more appropriate for them.

GT# used to mean track special and comparatively pared back vs cooking models.
Now for most it means trinkets and status symbol.

My point here is that the initial allocations don’t go to the intended users as per the ‘raison d’etre’ for the car.

Porsche experimented with broadening usability with the introduction of PDK and updating interiors with Leather, stitching and Alcantara. If it was still plastics and nomex, wonder what the state of play really would be.

Maybe we will end up in a place where GTS actually gets some motorsport branding in order to expand the GT range and allow Porsche to cash in and for customers to by into the range just like BMW M or Audi RS or Merc AMG.

[Twinfan]

TDT said:

This is why I say most people are buying the wrong car and a GTS is more appropriate for them.

GT# used to mean track special and comparatively pared back vs cooking models.
Now for most it means trinkets and status symbol.

My point here is that the initial allocations don’t go to the intended users as per the ‘raison d’etre’ for the car.

Careful, you're starting to sound like 911R Your comments would apply to GT3, GT3RS and GT2RSs as well, probably even more so given their increased speed.

A 1400kg car isn't a track special, it's a road car that can handle regular track work in addition to getting you there and back.

There's a lot of incorrect sweeping assumptions made about GT car ownership being some sort of badge to parade in front of others - maybe some people just buy them because they like them?

[Romo]

As long as the car gets a numberplate it is a road car to me.

And I want the best for that matter, as beter in steering, suspension, brakes, feel of the car, that makes the GT4 for me the car to buy, and not a GTS


I've gone that route once, as I bought a 981 C GTS, then regretting not getting a GT4, I will not make that mistake again, the GT4 PDK is on order for me.

Edited by Romo on Saturday 25th January 17:35

[Twinfan]

Exactly, it's the same for me. I have a GTS now and to justify the cost to change I want the next step up in both chassis and engine. It has absolutely nothing to do with status symbols, trinkets, posing or anything to do with other people. It's purely for my own driving enjoyment.

[CardiffTam]

Romo said:

As long as the car gets a numberplate it is a road car to me.

And I want the best for that matter, as beter in steering, suspension, brakes, feel of the car, that makes the GT4 for me the car to buy, and not a GTS


I've gone that route once, as I bought a 981 C GTS, then regretting not getting a GT4, I will not make that mistake again, the GT4 PDK is on order for me.

Edited by Romo on Saturday 25th January 17:35

Have your OPC indicated when the GT4 PDK will be released

[Romo]

My car is to be expected 06-2020

The car has a manual slot, the dealer expects it can be changed into PDK as of 04-2020 (FWIW)

PDK announcement is to be expected march-april this year

We` ll see what is gonna happen.

Edited by Romo on Saturday 25th January 17:55

[CardiffTam]

Interesting. I also have a manual slot with my OPC, albeit for a GTS 4.0, which like you I will probably swop for a PDK,, however, they are stating the PDK GTS will not be available for delivery until 11/20.

[TDT]

Twinfan said:

TDT said:

This is why I say most people are buying the wrong car and a GTS is more appropriate for them.

GT# used to mean track special and comparatively pared back vs cooking models.
Now for most it means trinkets and status symbol.

My point here is that the initial allocations don’t go to the intended users as per the ‘raison d’etre’ for the car.

Careful, you're starting to sound like 911R Your comments would apply to GT3, GT3RS and GT2RSs as well, probably even more so given their increased speed.

A 1400kg car isn't a track special, it's a road car that can handle regular track work in addition to getting you there and back.

There's a lot of incorrect sweeping assumptions made about GT car ownership being some sort of badge to parade in front of others - maybe some people just buy them because they like them?

Quite right that my comments apply to GT3, GT4 and RS models or even now Weissach Pack, lol.
I didn’t call GT cars pure track cars or pure race cars. But the initial purpose of these cars was to be homolgation of racing and that these cars are engineered to be used on track without changing anything.
Go back to the launch of the 996 GT3. That was Genesis. Fact.
Things are quite different now. Fact.
For a lot of people it’s like buying M or RS or AMG, or MacBook Pro or IPad Pro.
They aren’t ‘pro’s’ and have not intention of even capacity to use it at ‘pro’ level. But its top of the line, so they’ve got to have it.
People can buy what they like - my gripe is when it denies a ‘proper’ driver an opportunity or it cost that person more due to market forces, including ‘market management’.
Sounds like Porsche is fixing this with increased supply now, so no offense should be taken.

Edited by TDT on Saturday 25th January 18:29

[av185]

The 991.1 GT3 changed the game for GT Porsches. And morphed into the brilliant 991.2.

Much greater bandwidth.

Much more usable car than its predecessors.

And all the better for it too.

[Twinfan]

TDT said:

People can buy what they like - my gripe is when it denies a ‘proper’ driver an opportunity or it cost that person more due to market forces, including ‘market management’.

So just to be clear, please can you explain what a 'proper' driver is?

Thanks.

[Brumjam]

Jimbo_vx said:

Yep.

Here is an example. It's not quite how i'm going to do it, but not far off.

3 years.
68k car
15k down
8k miles a year
51k balloon at the end of three years
£350 a month

Interesting. Is that from a Porsche dealer? I tried to get a quote today and was told the car isn’t on their finance system yet.

[Twinfan]

anonymous said:

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I'm asking beside it sounds a lot like TDT has some sort of criteria to define whether people are worthy or valid owners of their cars?

[cc3]

Brumjam said:

Interesting. Is that from a Porsche dealer? I tried to get a quote today and was told the car isn’t on their finance system yet.

Same here I asked on Friday it’s not on their system

[Jimbo_vx]

It is a Porsche quote, can PM it to you.

[Brumjam]

Jimbo_vx said:

It is a Porsche quote, can PM it to you.

Yes please James. Most appreciated.

Edited by Brumjam on Sunday 26th January 12:02

[Porsche911R]

Twinfan said:

TDT said:

People can buy what they like - my gripe is when it denies a ‘proper’ driver an opportunity or it cost that person more due to market forces, including ‘market management’.

So just to be clear, please can you explain what a 'proper' driver is?

Thanks.

to butt in here...
for me a proper driver is any one who cares enough to change out an oem geo into a car which actually drives as a proper driver would like !

It's pretty much that simple to me. The cars are so bad out the box even GT cars, that only a "proper driver" (call them what you will, that's a daft name) will bother to get a geo done out of oem nanny bullst settings.

that's my opinion and I don't care what people think to it :-), if you are not changing the geo you are a wannabe poser ;-p and again nothing wrong in that, I have stated MANY times I don't care what people buy as long as they admit what they are buying the car for. Profit, posing, halo, free use etc who cares .
If I had a better rep with my OPC I would buy some ltd ed cars I don't want if I could swap out for free every 12 months !!
cars are a big cost after a mortgage, I said on this very forum when I gave up track days, my GT4 was my posers car lol that upset people, but it was my use of the car in the end. HONEST :-)

But people flaunting stuff on pH these days is a joke imo or stating they want better chassis etc when they run an understeering mess on oem 10 year old p-zero tyres are , well lieing not only to the forum but to themselves.

you goto shows you see high end halo cars with 12 year old rock hard date stamped tyres !! these people are not interested in driving one bit, and it seems a massive % of owners.

I could upset people and say PDK owners are not proper drivers but that's a bit harsh lol, so i'll stick to my "geo" format which in my eyes works a treat to see who really likes driving as an enthusiast and who is in it for other reasons what ever they may be NO RIGHT AND WORNG HERE GUYS.
most people just want a nice car and don't want to loose money, just be honest about it.

I would rather people said to me " I wanted it because I wanted it" that's good enough for me and I would have zero come back to that answer, not try and come up with a bullst story to impress forums members etc

Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 26th January 12:23

[Jimbo_vx]

Brumjam said:

Yes please James. Most appreciated.

Edited by Brumjam on Sunday 26th January 12:02

Looks like your settings don’t accept email.

[cc3]

Just used the configurator and a 4.0 GTS with an allowance for likely cost of PDK comes out £13,000 more than I paid recently for a great spec delivery mileage 4 pot GTS

Edited by cc3 on Sunday 26th January 19:04

[Jimbo_vx]

Yes put you’re not comparing like with like. A delivery mileage GTS4.0 will also likely be 10% down on List. Then the difference is more like £6k and that feels worth it for the engine swap.