Discussion
T1berious said:
To be honest, and it's easy for me to say but think long and hard about dailying the GTS 4.0. A guy I used to work with had a 911 but daily duties was a pretty beat up but reliable Polo.
I know we can't drive in fear of someone breathing on the car wrong but if you can, get a snotter for the daily.
Just my £0.02. That way you're not "depending" on a build happening.
Good point. It may not be a daily, given I am using my sons car whilst he is at university. I just need to know whether the GTS will arrive so I can use it to go to work if I need to. The level of uncertainty re supply of a GTS is significant with variable OPCs quoting different things. It just needs a wee bit more clarity from Porsche to OPCs and then onwards to the customers. I know we can't drive in fear of someone breathing on the car wrong but if you can, get a snotter for the daily.
Just my £0.02. That way you're not "depending" on a build happening.
RTA3 said:
T1berious said:
To be honest, and it's easy for me to say but think long and hard about dailying the GTS 4.0. A guy I used to work with had a 911 but daily duties was a pretty beat up but reliable Polo.
I know we can't drive in fear of someone breathing on the car wrong but if you can, get a snotter for the daily.
Just my £0.02. That way you're not "depending" on a build happening.
Good point. It may not be a daily, given I am using my sons car whilst he is at university. I just need to know whether the GTS will arrive so I can use it to go to work if I need to. The level of uncertainty re supply of a GTS is significant with variable OPCs quoting different things. It just needs a wee bit more clarity from Porsche to OPCs and then onwards to the customers. I know we can't drive in fear of someone breathing on the car wrong but if you can, get a snotter for the daily.
Just my £0.02. That way you're not "depending" on a build happening.
SarlechS said:
anyone had much experience driving both the 718 GTS 4.0 and a 991.1 Carrera S/ GTS? not much money between the two so keen to see if others have explored both options?
Tried 718 GTS 4.0 and 991.1 and 991.2 GTS (amongst other things). I bought the 718 GTS 4.0 (aventurine, boxster). I absolutely love it, but I can see why others might prefer a 911 of some flavour or other. Very personal decision, definitely pros and cons of all the options. Try before you buy the only real answer I think.oscmax said:
Tried 718 GTS 4.0 and 991.1 and 991.2 GTS (amongst other things). I bought the 718 GTS 4.0 (aventurine, boxster). I absolutely love it, but I can see why others might prefer a 911 of some flavour or other. Very personal decision, definitely pros and cons of all the options. Try before you buy the only real answer I think.
appreciate the response sir, i find when test driving the bigger value cars the dealers become a bit arsey when you don't buy the car not sure if you ever encountered this? i've never had that issue on sub 30k cars
Rob P said:
You could pay to do the Silverstone experience. Admittedly this only gives you the option of trying the new models.
yeah i'd only get to try the 992 GTS which is forced induction, i'd only consider the 991.1 GTS with the N/A enginegood suggestion to get familiar with the Cayman GTS if i did decide to go for it
SarlechS said:
oscmax said:
Tried 718 GTS 4.0 and 991.1 and 991.2 GTS (amongst other things). I bought the 718 GTS 4.0 (aventurine, boxster). I absolutely love it, but I can see why others might prefer a 911 of some flavour or other. Very personal decision, definitely pros and cons of all the options. Try before you buy the only real answer I think.
appreciate the response sir, i find when test driving the bigger value cars the dealers become a bit arsey when you don't buy the car not sure if you ever encountered this? i've never had that issue on sub 30k cars
I haven't ever had any problems when trying out more expensive stuff (up to and including a 991.2 GT3). I had however had prior dealings of some sort with all the dealers involved and I was completely honest with them about the fact that I didn't really know what I wanted. I think that always helps, at least that way if there's going to be an issue, you know from the outset and can just tell them where to go.
For what it's worth, my feelings on forced induction were ultimately the same as yours-I wanted what will probably turn out to be my last NA car. Coupled with the fact that I also knew from the outset that I wanted a manual, again probably the last I'll ever have, this did narrow down the choices pretty quickly and conclusively.
Ultimately, whilst I was tempted to scratch a very long-lasting itch, cough up and go for the GT3, I absolutely loved the GTS and I find driving with the roof down makes every trip a real experience, even when you are just pottering around. The GT3 is obviously a "better" car, I just thought I would have more fun more often with the Boxster. Added to which, it was £50k cheaper!
oscmax said:
No problem, hope it was of some use – perhaps not given the problems even counted!
I haven't ever had any problems when trying out more expensive stuff (up to and including a 991.2 GT3). I had however had prior dealings of some sort with all the dealers involved and I was completely honest with them about the fact that I didn't really know what I wanted. I think that always helps, at least that way if there's going to be an issue, you know from the outset and can just tell them where to go.
For what it's worth, my feelings on forced induction were ultimately the same as yours-I wanted what will probably turn out to be my last NA car. Coupled with the fact that I also knew from the outset that I wanted a manual, again probably the last I'll ever have, this did narrow down the choices pretty quickly and conclusively.
Ultimately, whilst I was tempted to scratch a very long-lasting itch, cough up and go for the GT3, I absolutely loved the GTS and I find driving with the roof down makes every trip a real experience, even when you are just pottering around. The GT3 is obviously a "better" car, I just thought I would have more fun more often with the Boxster. Added to which, it was £50k cheaper!
It sounds like you were exactly where i am now. I'm looking at this through the same lens, its probably my last proper petrol head car before I'm having to go down the forced induction or PDK/ Dual Clutch route.I haven't ever had any problems when trying out more expensive stuff (up to and including a 991.2 GT3). I had however had prior dealings of some sort with all the dealers involved and I was completely honest with them about the fact that I didn't really know what I wanted. I think that always helps, at least that way if there's going to be an issue, you know from the outset and can just tell them where to go.
For what it's worth, my feelings on forced induction were ultimately the same as yours-I wanted what will probably turn out to be my last NA car. Coupled with the fact that I also knew from the outset that I wanted a manual, again probably the last I'll ever have, this did narrow down the choices pretty quickly and conclusively.
Ultimately, whilst I was tempted to scratch a very long-lasting itch, cough up and go for the GT3, I absolutely loved the GTS and I find driving with the roof down makes every trip a real experience, even when you are just pottering around. The GT3 is obviously a "better" car, I just thought I would have more fun more often with the Boxster. Added to which, it was £50k cheaper!
I'm in the position to buy a 991.1 GT3 PDK (not manual as its slightly above what i want to spend) or i can go 911.1 GTS/ 981 GT4 / 718 GTS 4.0 / 997 GTS. Porsche Solihull have a lovely 911.1 GT3 up at £102k which I'm very tempted at. I think from a depreciation perspective its probably the one that will hold its money the best (along with the GT4 981) but i really want to move forward in terms of performance from my 987 Cayman S and i feel the GT4 isn't actually that much quick when looking at the performance stats on fastest laps (0-100mph/ 1/4 mile). My argument which is similar to what you are suggesting....is the 991GT3 really worth 20-30k more than a 991 GTS or 718 GTS 4.0
Just placed an order today for Boxster GTS. Was told Q4 2023 likely eta, not a huge surprise but having rung around a few OPCs the story was the same.
So have gone nuts on the spec, in the expectation that i’ll have saved a few extra quid by the time it arrives. Full leather interior with leather everything, and contrast stitch everywhere to funk it up. GTS Interior pack does nothing for me, so have gone individual option. Long time to wait though.
So have gone nuts on the spec, in the expectation that i’ll have saved a few extra quid by the time it arrives. Full leather interior with leather everything, and contrast stitch everywhere to funk it up. GTS Interior pack does nothing for me, so have gone individual option. Long time to wait though.
SarlechS said:
It sounds like you were exactly where i am now. I'm looking at this through the same lens, its probably my last proper petrol head car before I'm having to go down the forced induction or PDK/ Dual Clutch route.
I'm in the position to buy a 991.1 GT3 PDK (not manual as its slightly above what i want to spend) or i can go 911.1 GTS/ 981 GT4 / 718 GTS 4.0 / 997 GTS. Porsche Solihull have a lovely 911.1 GT3 up at £102k which I'm very tempted at. I think from a depreciation perspective its probably the one that will hold its money the best (along with the GT4 981) but i really want to move forward in terms of performance from my 987 Cayman S and i feel the GT4 isn't actually that much quick when looking at the performance stats on fastest laps (0-100mph/ 1/4 mile). My argument which is similar to what you are suggesting....is the 991GT3 really worth 20-30k more than a 991 GTS or 718 GTS 4.0
The 991.1 GT3 only came in PDK. And I personally don't think that car is a safe bet, once they are ten years old and the engine is out of warranty it's not where I would have my money.I'm in the position to buy a 991.1 GT3 PDK (not manual as its slightly above what i want to spend) or i can go 911.1 GTS/ 981 GT4 / 718 GTS 4.0 / 997 GTS. Porsche Solihull have a lovely 911.1 GT3 up at £102k which I'm very tempted at. I think from a depreciation perspective its probably the one that will hold its money the best (along with the GT4 981) but i really want to move forward in terms of performance from my 987 Cayman S and i feel the GT4 isn't actually that much quick when looking at the performance stats on fastest laps (0-100mph/ 1/4 mile). My argument which is similar to what you are suggesting....is the 991GT3 really worth 20-30k more than a 991 GTS or 718 GTS 4.0
SarlechS said:
anyone had much experience driving both the 718 GTS 4.0 and a 991.1 Carrera S/ GTS? not much money between the two so keen to see if others have explored both options?
I did the Silverstone experience last week. First half in the GTS 4.0 PDK, second half in a 992 Carrera 4S. The 911 felt faster (launch control was epic) and far more modern, but I much preferred the Cayman. Actually thought the 992 interior felt a bit cheap.SarlechS said:
oscmax said:
No problem, hope it was of some use – perhaps not given the problems even counted!
I haven't ever had any problems when trying out more expensive stuff (up to and including a 991.2 GT3). I had however had prior dealings of some sort with all the dealers involved and I was completely honest with them about the fact that I didn't really know what I wanted. I think that always helps, at least that way if there's going to be an issue, you know from the outset and can just tell them where to go.
For what it's worth, my feelings on forced induction were ultimately the same as yours-I wanted what will probably turn out to be my last NA car. Coupled with the fact that I also knew from the outset that I wanted a manual, again probably the last I'll ever have, this did narrow down the choices pretty quickly and conclusively.
Ultimately, whilst I was tempted to scratch a very long-lasting itch, cough up and go for the GT3, I absolutely loved the GTS and I find driving with the roof down makes every trip a real experience, even when you are just pottering around. The GT3 is obviously a "better" car, I just thought I would have more fun more often with the Boxster. Added to which, it was £50k cheaper!
It sounds like you were exactly where i am now. I'm looking at this through the same lens, its probably my last proper petrol head car before I'm having to go down the forced induction or PDK/ Dual Clutch route.I haven't ever had any problems when trying out more expensive stuff (up to and including a 991.2 GT3). I had however had prior dealings of some sort with all the dealers involved and I was completely honest with them about the fact that I didn't really know what I wanted. I think that always helps, at least that way if there's going to be an issue, you know from the outset and can just tell them where to go.
For what it's worth, my feelings on forced induction were ultimately the same as yours-I wanted what will probably turn out to be my last NA car. Coupled with the fact that I also knew from the outset that I wanted a manual, again probably the last I'll ever have, this did narrow down the choices pretty quickly and conclusively.
Ultimately, whilst I was tempted to scratch a very long-lasting itch, cough up and go for the GT3, I absolutely loved the GTS and I find driving with the roof down makes every trip a real experience, even when you are just pottering around. The GT3 is obviously a "better" car, I just thought I would have more fun more often with the Boxster. Added to which, it was £50k cheaper!
I'm in the position to buy a 991.1 GT3 PDK (not manual as its slightly above what i want to spend) or i can go 911.1 GTS/ 981 GT4 / 718 GTS 4.0 / 997 GTS. Porsche Solihull have a lovely 911.1 GT3 up at £102k which I'm very tempted at. I think from a depreciation perspective its probably the one that will hold its money the best (along with the GT4 981) but i really want to move forward in terms of performance from my 987 Cayman S and i feel the GT4 isn't actually that much quick when looking at the performance stats on fastest laps (0-100mph/ 1/4 mile). My argument which is similar to what you are suggesting....is the 991GT3 really worth 20-30k more than a 991 GTS or 718 GTS 4.0
I don't think you find any of the possibilities you are considering anything other than a significant step up from a 987S. I had a 3.2 Boxster about 15 years ago, which my father still has a weekend car. Driving them back to back, the 4.0 is, as you would expect, much, much quicker. The difference feels far more substantial than the numbers would suggest.
barchetta_boy said:
Dr S said:
A real beauty! Congratulations and hope you have many fun miles with your new toy.
Did you consider going for black calipers at all? I was torn when speccing my Touring. I just find it even for Porsche standards a complete rip off to pay so much extra to get the standard colour calipers of all base models
Actually I was particularly pleased with the red calipers as a contrast against the bahama yellow. Also meant there was no temptation to spec PCCB as it would have clashed :-) Did you consider going for black calipers at all? I was torn when speccing my Touring. I just find it even for Porsche standards a complete rip off to pay so much extra to get the standard colour calipers of all base models
Here's some more pics - off to PPF tomorrow and pick up next week
Did the Experience Centre today. Was great. Running up to the 8k red line was fantastic, especially as i'm still running mine in. The balance of this 718 is fantastic and exploring the limits on the lower friction surfaces was enlightening. You can really feel the car pivot about you.
I also took my car back to the dealership to have a machine polish and then G-Techniq ceramic coating. Paint feels VERY smooth, and seems to be staying very clean.
Aventurine looks great after a polish.
I also took my car back to the dealership to have a machine polish and then G-Techniq ceramic coating. Paint feels VERY smooth, and seems to be staying very clean.
Aventurine looks great after a polish.
oscmax said:
Interesting-that wasn't an option I considered, just because of the PDK. If you can live with the potential implications in relation to the engine, maybe keeping it on extended warranty, the GT3 would be an interesting option. It does look like a really nice car,
I don't think you find any of the possibilities you are considering anything other than a significant step up from a 987S. I had a 3.2 Boxster about 15 years ago, which my father still has a weekend car. Driving them back to back, the 4.0 is, as you would expect, much, much quicker. The difference feels far more substantial than the numbers would suggest.
Yeah, i know the engines are running very high compression but Honda seem to be fairly reliable and running similar bhp per litre, loads of reports of S2000/ITR's with 150-200k miles. I'd be surprised if a GT3 couldn't get 100k out of them with fast road use/ 2-3 track days a year? I've seen a fair few GT3's having 100k + miles (on the basis of regular oil changes and good service maintenance). I do agree its not a sure fire bet on the depreciation front but i still think it will be a better bet than a standard GTS 718/991? especially with the 718 being so new?I don't think you find any of the possibilities you are considering anything other than a significant step up from a 987S. I had a 3.2 Boxster about 15 years ago, which my father still has a weekend car. Driving them back to back, the 4.0 is, as you would expect, much, much quicker. The difference feels far more substantial than the numbers would suggest.
Completely agree that these cars I'm looking at now will be far quicker than my slightly tweaked 987.1S. On paper its easy to say "oh its only 2 seconds quicker to 100" but i'm sure it feels much more when sitting in the seat
nutbehinddawheel said:
barchetta_boy said:
Dr S said:
A real beauty! Congratulations and hope you have many fun miles with your new toy.
Did you consider going for black calipers at all? I was torn when speccing my Touring. I just find it even for Porsche standards a complete rip off to pay so much extra to get the standard colour calipers of all base models
Actually I was particularly pleased with the red calipers as a contrast against the bahama yellow. Also meant there was no temptation to spec PCCB as it would have clashed :-) Did you consider going for black calipers at all? I was torn when speccing my Touring. I just find it even for Porsche standards a complete rip off to pay so much extra to get the standard colour calipers of all base models
Here's some more pics - off to PPF tomorrow and pick up next week
Lovely car BTW!
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