718 GTS 4.0…

[T1berious]

kmpowell said:

Sadly, you should take those dates with a pinch of salt. Even the dealers openly admit the dates are not updated correctly and timings can be totally out of kilter, due to them working on a JIT parts basis.

Earlier this year my GT4 sat in production for two months without date update. CP8 (build completion) slipped from 11th March to 27th May when it eventually updated. Then it got delayed another 2 weeks at the docks without dates updating, and then the system didn't update even when it had arrived at Reading for PDI.

The dealers are in a rock and a hard place, it's massively frustrating but believe me it'll arrive when it arrives and there's nothing you can do about it to get any info.

Like you said, we'll wait and see.

OPC can really only go by what they see in the system and if it slips its not the end of the world.

[ntiz]

Well this is a depressing read.

Got an Emira on order been contemplating options with delays and Luke warm reviews.

Been thinking of going for a test drive but by the sounds of it if I order I won’t be seeing it for rrrrreeeeeeeaaaaaallllllyyyyyy long time.

What is the lead time at the moment? 2024?

[rwillia2]

ntiz said:

Well this is a depressing read.

Got an Emira on order been contemplating options with delays and Luke warm reviews.

Been thinking of going for a test drive but by the sounds of it if I order I won’t be seeing it for rrrrreeeeeeeaaaaaallllllyyyyyy long time.

What is the lead time at the moment? 2024?

Would imagine 12 months + for a Cayman, longer for a Boxster, but will be dealer by dealer. Get in touch with your local OPC and see what they say and ring round a few others.

[TTmonkey]

rwillia2 said:

ntiz said:

Well this is a depressing read.

Got an Emira on order been contemplating options with delays and Luke warm reviews.

Been thinking of going for a test drive but by the sounds of it if I order I won’t be seeing it for rrrrreeeeeeeaaaaaallllllyyyyyy long time.

What is the lead time at the moment? 2024?

Would imagine 12 months + for a Cayman, longer for a Boxster, but will be dealer by dealer. Get in touch with your local OPC and see what they say and ring round a few others.

Buy used. There’s a dozen Boxster 4.0s on AT.

[cowboyengineer]

rwillia2 said:

Would imagine 12 months + for a Cayman, longer for a Boxster, but will be dealer by dealer. Get in touch with your local OPC and see what they say and ring round a few others.

I think if you want a cayman you’ll get one next year. But I don’t think you’ll get a boxster

[T1berious]

ntiz said:

Well this is a depressing read.

Got an Emira on order been contemplating options with delays and Luke warm reviews.

Been thinking of going for a test drive but by the sounds of it if I order I won’t be seeing it for rrrrreeeeeeeaaaaaallllllyyyyyy long time.

What is the lead time at the moment? 2024?

I thought it was getting decent reviews? (Not wanting to derail the thread). The Harry's garage vid seemed quite complementary, once he'd got the touring pack one. Ditto the Autocar comparison vid against the CGTS 4.0.

Yeah, there was the pre prod car issues but they should be ironed out by the time customer cars are due to be delivered.

I was looking at an Emira but as much as I admire Lotus, just couldn't hit the commit button.

The GTS 4.0 was a painless decision in comparison, plus it seems like if I don't gel with it (yeah, right) moving it on will mean a very small hit financially (relatively).

[ntiz]

T1berious said:

ntiz said:

Well this is a depressing read.

Got an Emira on order been contemplating options with delays and Luke warm reviews.

Been thinking of going for a test drive but by the sounds of it if I order I won’t be seeing it for rrrrreeeeeeeaaaaaallllllyyyyyy long time.

What is the lead time at the moment? 2024?

I thought it was getting decent reviews? (Not wanting to derail the thread). The Harry's garage vid seemed quite complementary, once he'd got the touring pack one. Ditto the Autocar comparison vid against the CGTS 4.0.

Yeah, there was the pre prod car issues but they should be ironed out by the time customer cars are due to be delivered.

I was looking at an Emira but as much as I admire Lotus, just couldn't hit the commit button.

The GTS 4.0 was a painless decision in comparison, plus it seems like if I don't gel with it (yeah, right) moving it on will mean a very small hit financially (relatively).

Those 2 are the only glowing ones all the others range from it’s really good ……but, to straight up disappointing. For 80k In my mind there simply shouldn’t be any doubt. The issues also seem to be on cars that press are being told are representative in terms of driving which is what I’m worried about.

This is of course not helped that there isn’t a single finished one in the country. Test drives were meant to be April then this month now we have no idea.

I saw a GTS earlier this week and it really peaked my interest.

[T1berious]

ntiz said:

Those 2 are the only glowing ones all the others range from it’s really good ……but, to straight up disappointing. For 80k In my mind there simply shouldn’t be any doubt. The issues also seem to be on cars that press are being told are representative in terms of driving which is what I’m worried about.

This is of course not helped that there isn’t a single finished one in the country. Test drives were meant to be April then this month now we have no idea.

I saw a GTS earlier this week and it really peaked my interest.

The GTS 4.0 (IMHO) is frankly staggeringly good. I'm no driving deity but the two times I had it on track made me realise I just couldn't get a better package at this price point.

Yup a GT4 will be better on track but for most mortals, most of the time the GTS ticks an awful lot of boxes.

If Hethel didn't benchmark the GTS while doing testing I would be very surprised.

Yes, a wait for one is long but at least you don't have to be an "influencer" to actually get one (eventually).

[rwillia2]

T1berious said:

The GTS 4.0 (IMHO) is frankly staggeringly good. I'm no driving deity but the two times I had it on track made me realise I just couldn't get a better package at this price point.

Yup a GT4 will be better on track but for most mortals, most of the time the GTS ticks an awful lot of boxes.

If Hethel didn't benchmark the GTS while doing testing I would be very surprised.

Yes, a wait for one is long but at least you don't have to be an "influencer" to actually get one (eventually).

That’s my view with ordering one (plus the PDK). I’m no driving god and it’ll never go near a track, so the GTS is perfect from me. I’d have gladly taken a GT4 but realistically there’s no chance of getting one new.

I’d have also been feeling a bit embarrassed with the rear wing, whilst I like the front of the GT4, the rear just looks a bit race car for me…. The GTS looks a bit more understated for a road car.

Horses for courses of course… I’m sure I’d have got on with the rear wing if it was a realistic option though! ;-)

[LiamH66]

T1berious said:

The GTS 4.0 (IMHO) is frankly staggeringly good. I'm no driving deity but the two times I had it on track made me realise I just couldn't get a better package at this price point.

Yup a GT4 will be better on track but for most mortals, most of the time the GTS ticks an awful lot of boxes.

I ordered a Cayman GTS 4.0 back at the beginning of September. Dealer was thinking end of Q1, beginning of Q2 2023. But neither of us are under any illusion that things won't change. I have a 981 GT4 and a base 718 Cayman to enjoy for now, but there may be a conundrum to solve closer to delivery time.

I asked the dealer what the chances of a 718 GT4 might be. Turns out it will be the 4th car I've had from them (that has crept upon me a bit!) I've never cancelled an order or messed them about, and if they get an allocation for a GT4 they'll be happy to consider moving my order over from the GTS 4.0. I was so surprised I asked if that might equally apply to a GT4 RS, but unsurprisingly, that offer is most definitely not on the table.

I'm pretty sure even if there is a 718 GT4 allocation available (and it really has to be one of the last by then), I'm more likely to trade-in my late 2021 base Cayman against the GTS 4.0, and keep the 981 GT4 for a good while longer yet.

@T1berious, I think you probably got the nail on the head, that for most of us the GT4 will be better, but not enough better that it makes a huge difference. I do the odd track day with my 981 GT4, and while I'm certainly no driving god, I've enough track time in cars, and more than enough competitive 2-stroke kart racing that I can find my way around OK. I'm pretty sure the GT4 will remain my track day choice, if just for the bucket seats and harnesses that I won't particularly want in the GTS 4.0. I'm also not sure if the GTS 4.0 has the huge brakes and wide tyres that make the GT4 such an incredibly usable track day car.

The 981 GT4 is a little bit clanky as a daily drive (not complaining, it's great fun, but never leaves doubt that it's a road legal track car). I'm hoping the GTS 4.0 might be a little more refined than the 981 GT4, or even the incredibly civilised base 2.0 718 Cayman. If it can be that, and half useful on the track, the 981 GT4 might end up semi-redundant...

Liam

Edited by LiamH66 on Tuesday 4th October 00:25

[MM57]

I've searched for quite a while and can't find anything definitive (probably need to try harder ) - does anyone have any documentation on what the "rev check" over speed range 1/2/3 min and max rpm figures for the 4.0 GTS engine are please?

[Malo]

I have an allocation slot coming up soon, buy may not take the purchase further. Is there any value/opportunity to transfer my slot?

[WG]

If you decline your slot, the OPC simply passes it on to next on “their list” you have no input to that process - at least that’s how it works in the OPC that I deal with. Your alternative is to proceed with purchase and then immediately sell vehicle on but remember
that you will be liable for the initial registration costs of about £2k

[cowboyengineer]

Is it a boxster or a cayman, has your spec locked. You won’t be able to sell your spot. Only sell the car you’ve ordered once you’ve purchased it

[dans160]

After thinking about the delay for a few days I decided that not having a car until March was likely, at best, going to be a pain in the arse. I've cancelled the order and bought a used GTS4.0 from an excellent independent (tierone) and saved myself a small fortune. It's not even that close to what I had specced but certainly makes a statement. At least it has the LED lights and folding sports seats, which I do fit. The spec will not be to everyone's taste, especially if you're not a fan of black. But, the paintwork has been corrected and ceramic coated and looks stunning. It has a full OPC history and has covered 6kmiles, so no run in period and no 2k first year OTR costs.

He's already booked into JZM for an alignment. A few goodies will be ordered from the OPC over the weekend and I'm contemplating some P4S tyres. I don't have an issue with PZeros but the later ones don't appear to fit all that well and the P4S'es we have one the Alfa are very good. I also need to get some 'Porsche' side decals to break up the black.



Roll on Saturday.

Edited by dans160 on Thursday 6th October 23:08

[rwillia2]

dans160 said:

After thinking about the delay for a few days I decided that not having a car until March was likely, at best, going to be a pain in the arse. I've cancelled the order and bought a used GTS4.0 from an excellent independent (tierone) and saved myself a small fortune. It's not even that close to what I had specced but certainly makes a statement. At least it has the LED lights and folding sports seats, which I do fit. The spec will not be to everyone's taste, especially if you're not a fan of black. But, the paintwork has been corrected and ceramic coated and looks stunning. It has a full OPC history and has covered 6kmiles, so no run in period and no 2k first year OTR costs.

He's already booked into JZM for an alignment. A few goodies will be ordered from the OPC over the weekend and I'm contemplating some P4S tyres. I don't have an issue with PZeros but the later ones don't appear to fit all that well and the P4S'es we have one the Alfa are very good. I also need to get some 'Porsche' side decals to break up the black.



Roll on Saturday.

Edited by dans160 on Thursday 6th October 23:08

Really nice spec that. Would never spec full black like that but it does suit the car very well.

I think it’s also a really good price in todays market.

[Pivo]

dans160 said:

After thinking about the delay for a few days I decided that not having a car until March was likely, at best, going to be a pain in the arse. I've cancelled the order and bought a used GTS4.0 from an excellent independent (tierone) and saved myself a small fortune. It's not even that close to what I had specced but certainly makes a statement. At least it has the LED lights and folding sports seats, which I do fit. The spec will not be to everyone's taste, especially if you're not a fan of black. But, the paintwork has been corrected and ceramic coated and looks stunning. It has a full OPC history and has covered 6kmiles, so no run in period and no 2k first year OTR costs.

He's already booked into JZM for an alignment. A few goodies will be ordered from the OPC over the weekend and I'm contemplating some P4S tyres. I don't have an issue with PZeros but the later ones don't appear to fit all that well and the P4S'es we have one the Alfa are very good. I also need to get some 'Porsche' side decals to break up the black.



Roll on Saturday.

Edited by dans160 on Thursday 6th October 23:08

That is awesome! If you get bored with black, you can wrap it in any other colour and have additional protection

[Ed T]

Beautiful congrats. In the last few weeks some 4.0s have gone into the mid/high 60s. They appear to have unpopular spec like all leather interior but still a softening of 4.0 prices for sure.

My order comes in at £78k and I imagine it will go up by the time I get allocated.

Getting into a £67k car with <10k starting to feel more of an option for me.

What is the typical process for deposit refunds for Porsche. Do they refund as a matter of course, or is it a fight?

[cowboyengineer]

It’s a matter of course.

[rwillia2]

Ed T said:

Beautiful congrats. In the last few weeks some 4.0s have gone into the mid/high 60s. They appear to have unpopular spec like all leather interior but still a softening of 4.0 prices for sure.

My order comes in at £78k and I imagine it will go up by the time I get allocated.

Getting into a £67k car with <10k starting to feel more of an option for me.

What is the typical process for deposit refunds for Porsche. Do they refund as a matter of course, or is it a fight?

All depends whether you want manual or PDK. The latter are all high £70k, which is around what my locked spec is and the ones listed are not great in terms of spec.

Horses for courses but if I wanted manual and didn’t want to wait you couldn’t do much better than the poster above black one.