Discussion
Jefferson Steelflex said:
Well you won't literally as it's 'only' a 2.9 or 3.4.
And having come from a 981 GTS to the new one, I have actual experience and by all measures the 4.0 is a step on in every way, except engine sound. Torque and general driveability is better, steering better, etc. Sure it's perhaps not worth £25-30k more for those benefits, but it is a superior car.
And having come from a 981 GTS to the new one, I have actual experience and by all measures the 4.0 is a step on in every way, except engine sound. Torque and general driveability is better, steering better, etc. Sure it's perhaps not worth £25-30k more for those benefits, but it is a superior car.
stewieyan said:
Apart from being new at a ridiculous price, there's not much point in 718 GTS 4.0
Get a used 981 (not even S) and you'll get literally the same 2-3x times cheaper, with a better exhaust note.
Bought a used 981 5 years ago. GT4. Still got it, still love it. Couldn't really have gone for another 981 - mine's exceptionally well cared for, but they are all getting on a bit nowadays. Production ended about 7 years ago now I think? I've already had a couple of 4-pot 718s, and there are a few things that make them feel like a step forward from the 981s. I really like the turbo engines, and being able to hear what people are trying to say to me on the phone while driving. Get a used 981 (not even S) and you'll get literally the same 2-3x times cheaper, with a better exhaust note.
Edited by stewieyan on Thursday 31st August 21:27
I've only driven a 718 GTS 4.0 very briefly at PEC Silverstone earlier this year. Nothing like as noisy, or for that matter engaging as the GT4. But I had one on order already, it is now at my local OPC awaiting a little preparation before I collect. Far from pointless for me. Its intended use is as a relatively refined, but still sporty "winter daily". I even have a set of suitable wheels and tyres lined up ready for when the ice, salt and snow come. I'll reserve full judgement until I've done a few miles in it, but my gut feel is that it will be a reasonably good car. I won't be all that surprised if it becomes a summer daily, and my 981 GT4 becomes a bit more of a garage queen/track day toy.
As "pointless" cars go (and let's face it, they all are really, aside from <£500 auction rescue Volvo estates), I think they're probably quite good.
Liam
I've driven a 718 GTS 4.0 back in 2022 and cancelled my order as a result.
It does sound like this indeed (from 3:45 min): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwHYwy7-7Hk
Which is nothing compared to a 981s, even without the sports exhaust on.
I much more like the 718 GTS - the 4 pot engine is simply AMAZING there and makes angry proper car sounds; far better vs 718/718s
While look wise 981/718 look pretty similar of course (911 generations do differ so much more).
To conclude - do I want to spend £40k to replace my 981s with a 718 GTS 4.0? No way.
It does sound like this indeed (from 3:45 min): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwHYwy7-7Hk
Which is nothing compared to a 981s, even without the sports exhaust on.
I much more like the 718 GTS - the 4 pot engine is simply AMAZING there and makes angry proper car sounds; far better vs 718/718s
While look wise 981/718 look pretty similar of course (911 generations do differ so much more).
To conclude - do I want to spend £40k to replace my 981s with a 718 GTS 4.0? No way.
Hello - firstly thank you to all those that have contributed to the Boxster / Cayman forum over the last decade. The posts helped inform my decision to buy a new 981 2.7 in 2014, assisted with a warranty claim (the PCM failed), what tyres to buy (PS4S) etc etc.
I've driven 75,000 miles and the car still brings a smile to my face. I'm just back from a trip to the Dolomites, one of many European holidays in the car. I have a runabout for driving to work so the Boxster is mainly a weekend car which has never been tracked, has an OPC FSH and remains under Porsche warranty.
I placed a deposit on a 718 BGTS 4.0 in January 2023 and now have been told I have an allocation for which I will need to confirm the spec later this month. Good news, but £85k (approx) is a significant figure and £30k more than I would really want to spend, although it is a great car and I have no interest in buying an EV.
I now have a decision to make and would welcome your thoughts. I would like to drive a Boxster for another 10 years and continue to drive to Italy / Spain for holidays with annual mileage approx 7k. I could buy the BGTS - you only live once, although I may have to delay retirement by 6 months (still 5 years away) - not a great hardship. Or, do I spend some cash on the 981 which would keep it fit for purpose for another 10 years? The brakes will need changing for the first time, but what else would need to be done and what would be the approx cost?
My wife is supportive of either decision, her main concern is over the colour as the Sapphire Blue 981 is much nicer in her opinion (and mine) for a sports car compared with the 718 colours although she thinks my current choice of GT silver is ok. Also she knows I'm not a mechanic and doesn't want to be stranded on the side of the road should there be a problem with the car.
Apologies for the long post but I thought others must have had similar first world problems to deal with.
I've driven 75,000 miles and the car still brings a smile to my face. I'm just back from a trip to the Dolomites, one of many European holidays in the car. I have a runabout for driving to work so the Boxster is mainly a weekend car which has never been tracked, has an OPC FSH and remains under Porsche warranty.
I placed a deposit on a 718 BGTS 4.0 in January 2023 and now have been told I have an allocation for which I will need to confirm the spec later this month. Good news, but £85k (approx) is a significant figure and £30k more than I would really want to spend, although it is a great car and I have no interest in buying an EV.
I now have a decision to make and would welcome your thoughts. I would like to drive a Boxster for another 10 years and continue to drive to Italy / Spain for holidays with annual mileage approx 7k. I could buy the BGTS - you only live once, although I may have to delay retirement by 6 months (still 5 years away) - not a great hardship. Or, do I spend some cash on the 981 which would keep it fit for purpose for another 10 years? The brakes will need changing for the first time, but what else would need to be done and what would be the approx cost?
My wife is supportive of either decision, her main concern is over the colour as the Sapphire Blue 981 is much nicer in her opinion (and mine) for a sports car compared with the 718 colours although she thinks my current choice of GT silver is ok. Also she knows I'm not a mechanic and doesn't want to be stranded on the side of the road should there be a problem with the car.
Apologies for the long post but I thought others must have had similar first world problems to deal with.
LiamH66 said:
Only 2 letters different in reg number to the white Cayman GTS 4.0 I have yet to pick up from Bolton. Looks great in red! Really must get around to sorting out PPF and collecting the car soon.
Liam
Collection Monday for me..cannot wait. PPF also next week then the fun begins.Liam
When you collecting yours Liam ?
Happy23 said:
Hello - firstly thank you to all those that have contributed to the Boxster / Cayman forum over the last decade. The posts helped inform my decision to buy a new 981 2.7 in 2014, assisted with a warranty claim (the PCM failed), what tyres to buy (PS4S) etc etc.
I've driven 75,000 miles and the car still brings a smile to my face. I'm just back from a trip to the Dolomites, one of many European holidays in the car. I have a runabout for driving to work so the Boxster is mainly a weekend car which has never been tracked, has an OPC FSH and remains under Porsche warranty.
I placed a deposit on a 718 BGTS 4.0 in January 2023 and now have been told I have an allocation for which I will need to confirm the spec later this month. Good news, but £85k (approx) is a significant figure and £30k more than I would really want to spend, although it is a great car and I have no interest in buying an EV.
I now have a decision to make and would welcome your thoughts. I would like to drive a Boxster for another 10 years and continue to drive to Italy / Spain for holidays with annual mileage approx 7k. I could buy the BGTS - you only live once, although I may have to delay retirement by 6 months (still 5 years away) - not a great hardship. Or, do I spend some cash on the 981 which would keep it fit for purpose for another 10 years? The brakes will need changing for the first time, but what else would need to be done and what would be the approx cost?
My wife is supportive of either decision, her main concern is over the colour as the Sapphire Blue 981 is much nicer in her opinion (and mine) for a sports car compared with the 718 colours although she thinks my current choice of GT silver is ok. Also she knows I'm not a mechanic and doesn't want to be stranded on the side of the road should there be a problem with the car.
Apologies for the long post but I thought others must have had similar first world problems to deal with.
In ten years time probably not much breakdown risk difference if you buy a new or a £60k three year old low mile 718 2.5 GTS today and keep it under warranty as long as possible? I've driven 75,000 miles and the car still brings a smile to my face. I'm just back from a trip to the Dolomites, one of many European holidays in the car. I have a runabout for driving to work so the Boxster is mainly a weekend car which has never been tracked, has an OPC FSH and remains under Porsche warranty.
I placed a deposit on a 718 BGTS 4.0 in January 2023 and now have been told I have an allocation for which I will need to confirm the spec later this month. Good news, but £85k (approx) is a significant figure and £30k more than I would really want to spend, although it is a great car and I have no interest in buying an EV.
I now have a decision to make and would welcome your thoughts. I would like to drive a Boxster for another 10 years and continue to drive to Italy / Spain for holidays with annual mileage approx 7k. I could buy the BGTS - you only live once, although I may have to delay retirement by 6 months (still 5 years away) - not a great hardship. Or, do I spend some cash on the 981 which would keep it fit for purpose for another 10 years? The brakes will need changing for the first time, but what else would need to be done and what would be the approx cost?
My wife is supportive of either decision, her main concern is over the colour as the Sapphire Blue 981 is much nicer in her opinion (and mine) for a sports car compared with the 718 colours although she thinks my current choice of GT silver is ok. Also she knows I'm not a mechanic and doesn't want to be stranded on the side of the road should there be a problem with the car.
Apologies for the long post but I thought others must have had similar first world problems to deal with.
Henotd said:
Collection Monday for me..cannot wait. PPF also next week then the fun begins.
When you collecting yours Liam ?
Probably won't be collecting from Bolton, but from the guy that's doing the PPF, who will be collecting on my behalf and trailering up to his place for the job. It will be a couple of weeks yet, as I'm going away and will collect on my return.When you collecting yours Liam ?
I was at Bolton Porsche Centre this morning for a pre-track day inspection of my GT4, so had a look at my new GTS 4.0 with all its protective bits still on. It looks great, especially chuffed that it's on PS4s tyres, which I am really looking forward to trying.
2 more sleeps until you collect yours Henotd, you must be really excited!
Liam
Happy23 said:
Hello - firstly thank you to all those that have contributed to the Boxster / Cayman forum over the last decade. The posts helped inform my decision to buy a new 981 2.7 in 2014, assisted with a warranty claim (the PCM failed), what tyres to buy (PS4S) etc etc.
I've driven 75,000 miles and the car still brings a smile to my face. I'm just back from a trip to the Dolomites, one of many European holidays in the car. I have a runabout for driving to work so the Boxster is mainly a weekend car which has never been tracked, has an OPC FSH and remains under Porsche warranty.
I placed a deposit on a 718 BGTS 4.0 in January 2023 and now have been told I have an allocation for which I will need to confirm the spec later this month. Good news, but £85k (approx) is a significant figure and £30k more than I would really want to spend, although it is a great car and I have no interest in buying an EV.
I now have a decision to make and would welcome your thoughts. I would like to drive a Boxster for another 10 years and continue to drive to Italy / Spain for holidays with annual mileage approx 7k. I could buy the BGTS - you only live once, although I may have to delay retirement by 6 months (still 5 years away) - not a great hardship. Or, do I spend some cash on the 981 which would keep it fit for purpose for another 10 years? The brakes will need changing for the first time, but what else would need to be done and what would be the approx cost?
My wife is supportive of either decision, her main concern is over the colour as the Sapphire Blue 981 is much nicer in her opinion (and mine) for a sports car compared with the 718 colours although she thinks my current choice of GT silver is ok. Also she knows I'm not a mechanic and doesn't want to be stranded on the side of the road should there be a problem with the car.
Apologies for the long post but I thought others must have had similar first world problems to deal with.
IIRC you can only run OPC warranty until car is 15 years old / 125000 miles, so at your current anticipated mileage and assuming no significant variation on this, you only have another 6'ish years (age) and 50000 miles where you can extend your warranty. After that it would be 4ish years of non-warranty running. Question is with 981's seemingly popular and relatively expensive currently (especially for what is now a 9 year old car, what would the delta be between what your current car would be worth at 15 years old and 117500 miles on it - without the option for a buyer to extend the warranty, compared to the onboarding cost and depreciation expected on the replacement vehicle.I've driven 75,000 miles and the car still brings a smile to my face. I'm just back from a trip to the Dolomites, one of many European holidays in the car. I have a runabout for driving to work so the Boxster is mainly a weekend car which has never been tracked, has an OPC FSH and remains under Porsche warranty.
I placed a deposit on a 718 BGTS 4.0 in January 2023 and now have been told I have an allocation for which I will need to confirm the spec later this month. Good news, but £85k (approx) is a significant figure and £30k more than I would really want to spend, although it is a great car and I have no interest in buying an EV.
I now have a decision to make and would welcome your thoughts. I would like to drive a Boxster for another 10 years and continue to drive to Italy / Spain for holidays with annual mileage approx 7k. I could buy the BGTS - you only live once, although I may have to delay retirement by 6 months (still 5 years away) - not a great hardship. Or, do I spend some cash on the 981 which would keep it fit for purpose for another 10 years? The brakes will need changing for the first time, but what else would need to be done and what would be the approx cost?
My wife is supportive of either decision, her main concern is over the colour as the Sapphire Blue 981 is much nicer in her opinion (and mine) for a sports car compared with the 718 colours although she thinks my current choice of GT silver is ok. Also she knows I'm not a mechanic and doesn't want to be stranded on the side of the road should there be a problem with the car.
Apologies for the long post but I thought others must have had similar first world problems to deal with.
If there's no borrowing involved, the newer vehicle would, I expect, have a wider potential customer base, and the fact that potential purchasers could transfer the existing extended warranty in to their name for no cost (if buying the car privately from you), or purchase the extended guarantee themselves if you've stepped away from OPC servicing for whatever reason.
Guess it really depends how sure you are that in 10 years time you won't want one anymore, if the money invested overall in a new car is not needed for anything else in the in-between, and what you think is likely to be worth more in 10 years time relative to what it cost you during the course of ownership. I think the newer car would be an attractive proposition to me - 3 year warranty, new car would in theory at the point you were to sell in 10 years time have circa 65000+ miles on it (assuming delivery is before the end of this year), and be circa 10 years old.
Who knows what the next generation are going to value (literally in used car terms) and figuratively (what will they yearn) in 10 years time. I think the 2030 date for all new cars being EV will fail, and even if it doesn't your potential new car would be much younger than your current car. Will the market be bigger for a 15 year old with 117500 miles on it, or a circa 10 year old car with circa 65000 miles on it.
If you have any doubt that you might want to change the current car years down the line for another, I would suggest changing it now might make more sense - prices are only on the up (for new). Either way none of us are getting out of here alive, so enjoy your time. Sorry I've not helped, lol.
Edited by Fnumber1user on Saturday 2nd September 23:38
LiamH66 said:
Probably won't be collecting from Bolton, but from the guy that's doing the PPF, who will be collecting on my behalf and trailering up to his place for the job. It will be a couple of weeks yet, as I'm going away and will collect on my return.
I was at Bolton Porsche Centre this morning for a pre-track day inspection of my GT4, so had a look at my new GTS 4.0 with all its protective bits still on. It looks great, especially chuffed that it's on PS4s tyres, which I am really looking forward to trying.
2 more sleeps until you collect yours Henotd, you must be really excited!
Liam
Only one more sleep now I was at Bolton Porsche Centre this morning for a pre-track day inspection of my GT4, so had a look at my new GTS 4.0 with all its protective bits still on. It looks great, especially chuffed that it's on PS4s tyres, which I am really looking forward to trying.
2 more sleeps until you collect yours Henotd, you must be really excited!
Liam
Got the P4S on mine too..pleased as last Pirellis I had on F10 M5 did not inspire confidence, especially in wet.
Driving to the company who are doing my PPF ,hopefully no chips in the 10 mile journey.
Where do you track the GT4 out of interest
Edited by Henotd on Sunday 3rd September 09:56
Henotd said:
Only one more sleep now
Got the P4S on mine too..pleased as last Pirellis I had on F10 M5 did not inspire confidence, especially in wet.
Driving to the company who are doing my PPF ,hopefully no chips in the 10 mile journey.
Where do you track the GT4 out of interest
I actually quite like Pirellis in the wet, but PS4S definitely better in the dry. Had a very wet morning at Silverstone earlier this year, so went out on P Zeroes. They are good in the wet on track, and were actually pretty reasonable when the track dried out in the afternoon, but I wished I had an easy way of taking my spare wheels with Michelin Cup 2 for that bit.Got the P4S on mine too..pleased as last Pirellis I had on F10 M5 did not inspire confidence, especially in wet.
Driving to the company who are doing my PPF ,hopefully no chips in the 10 mile journey.
Where do you track the GT4 out of interest
Edited by Henotd on Sunday 3rd September 09:56
So far I have only been to Anglesey and Silverstone with the GT4, but will hopefully have time to expand my horizons a little more next year. I'd love to have a play at Oulton Park. Anglesey this Thursday, predicted sunshine, Cup 2 tyres fitted, so all seems pretty good with the world just now.
I'm sure you'll get as far as the PPF company without stone chips. Wishing you an absolutely brilliant "new Porsche collection day"!
Liam
No comment on what is a better performing tyre, but the Pirelli have a stretched look and therefore no rim protection. The exposed rim on the back tyres especially is really noticeable.
From prior experience, Michelin offer much better rim protection in general and assume the same on the GTS wheels.
From prior experience, Michelin offer much better rim protection in general and assume the same on the GTS wheels.
Happy23 said:
Hello - firstly thank you to all those that have contributed to the Boxster / Cayman forum over the last decade. The posts helped inform my decision to buy a new 981 2.7 in 2014, assisted with a warranty claim (the PCM failed), what tyres to buy (PS4S) etc etc.
I've driven 75,000 miles and the car still brings a smile to my face. I'm just back from a trip to the Dolomites, one of many European holidays in the car. I have a runabout for driving to work so the Boxster is mainly a weekend car which has never been tracked, has an OPC FSH and remains under Porsche warranty.
I placed a deposit on a 718 BGTS 4.0 in January 2023 and now have been told I have an allocation for which I will need to confirm the spec later this month. Good news, but £85k (approx) is a significant figure and £30k more than I would really want to spend, although it is a great car and I have no interest in buying an EV.
I now have a decision to make and would welcome your thoughts. I would like to drive a Boxster for another 10 years and continue to drive to Italy / Spain for holidays with annual mileage approx 7k. I could buy the BGTS - you only live once, although I may have to delay retirement by 6 months (still 5 years away) - not a great hardship. Or, do I spend some cash on the 981 which would keep it fit for purpose for another 10 years? The brakes will need changing for the first time, but what else would need to be done and what would be the approx cost?
My wife is supportive of either decision, her main concern is over the colour as the Sapphire Blue 981 is much nicer in her opinion (and mine) for a sports car compared with the 718 colours although she thinks my current choice of GT silver is ok. Also she knows I'm not a mechanic and doesn't want to be stranded on the side of the road should there be a problem with the car.
Apologies for the long post but I thought others must have had similar first world problems to deal with.
Personally I have zero interest in a 4 pot Porsche of any flavour and in 5 or ten years or whenever will always bypass such adverts, it simply doesn't appeal at all.I've driven 75,000 miles and the car still brings a smile to my face. I'm just back from a trip to the Dolomites, one of many European holidays in the car. I have a runabout for driving to work so the Boxster is mainly a weekend car which has never been tracked, has an OPC FSH and remains under Porsche warranty.
I placed a deposit on a 718 BGTS 4.0 in January 2023 and now have been told I have an allocation for which I will need to confirm the spec later this month. Good news, but £85k (approx) is a significant figure and £30k more than I would really want to spend, although it is a great car and I have no interest in buying an EV.
I now have a decision to make and would welcome your thoughts. I would like to drive a Boxster for another 10 years and continue to drive to Italy / Spain for holidays with annual mileage approx 7k. I could buy the BGTS - you only live once, although I may have to delay retirement by 6 months (still 5 years away) - not a great hardship. Or, do I spend some cash on the 981 which would keep it fit for purpose for another 10 years? The brakes will need changing for the first time, but what else would need to be done and what would be the approx cost?
My wife is supportive of either decision, her main concern is over the colour as the Sapphire Blue 981 is much nicer in her opinion (and mine) for a sports car compared with the 718 colours although she thinks my current choice of GT silver is ok. Also she knows I'm not a mechanic and doesn't want to be stranded on the side of the road should there be a problem with the car.
Apologies for the long post but I thought others must have had similar first world problems to deal with.
It's not all about exhaust as mentioned the intake sound on the 4.0 is really addictive and there is a time when pops and bangs are tiresome. I do have them in my TVR so can enjoy those but they're very subtle, not the extremely anti social version as say an F Type. Noise cameras are coming sadly
The BGTS 4.0 is a really good car and will hold it's value far better than a 4 pot, I love mine and in Python Green it looks simply stunning and well worth the extra IMO.
Henotd said:
Only one more sleep now
Happy new car day. You've even picked some nice weather for it.Hope all goes well.
A couple of observations from my experience:
- Check the tyre pressure settings are what you want. Mine had been set to "Comfort", easily changed within the TMPS menu. It then means the Fill Info will be correct.
-If it looks like you have a leak from the leading edge of the passenger door, don't worry. The washer bottle has been overfilled and a little of the excess is escaping. A squirt of the wash/wipe will remove the excess and stop the "leak".
Enjoy your first 10 miles.
Stever said:
<snip> Personally I have zero interest in a 4 pot Porsche of any flavour and in 5 or ten years or whenever will always bypass such adverts, it simply doesn't appeal at all.
The BGTS 4.0 is a really good car and will hold it's value far better than a 4 pot, I love mine and in Python Green it looks simply stunning and well worth the extra IMO. <snip>
Good job we're all different. The hype and nonsense that the 4 pots don't hold their value is just complete internet BS. Both engines have their advantages and disadvantages. Didn't look at the the options lists but the lowest price 6 cylinder 982GTS is a 20 plate GTS with 12745 miles @ £64990, lowest price 4 cylinder 982GTS is an 18 plate with 35833 miles @ £53990, hardly a chasm between the two when you factor mileage and age in, is it... The market isn't following your speculation... highest listed approved use 982GTS 4 cylinder is £63495 with 6950 miles on a November 19 plate.The BGTS 4.0 is a really good car and will hold it's value far better than a 4 pot, I love mine and in Python Green it looks simply stunning and well worth the extra IMO. <snip>
I wanted a 718 GTS 4.0 in mid 2021, and a couple of OPCs were happy to take my money, but were unfortunately quoting 18 month waits. It takes me a while to decide on something, but once I have decided I want it now. 18 months is insanity and I'd never wait that long for anything - especially when I didn't have something interesting to drive in the meantime. Hence, I ended up in a 981 GTS, which I really love. Taking it on track too has also reinforced just how capable it is.
Fully appreciate that the 718 GTS 4.0 is a superior car and objectively better in every way, but now that I have the 981, I just can't justify the cost to change. For me, £30k to swap to something that is in reality a very, very similar car is a non starter. However, what is on the cards is seeing how the land lies middle of next year and maybe pick up a used 718 GT4 instead! I'll drive it though, so I'll need something that has already done a fair few miles and depreciated nicely.
Congrats to you gents picking up the GTS 4.0
. I've enjoyed watching them come through and I'm sure they're epic. It's just a shame that this is the end of the line.
Fully appreciate that the 718 GTS 4.0 is a superior car and objectively better in every way, but now that I have the 981, I just can't justify the cost to change. For me, £30k to swap to something that is in reality a very, very similar car is a non starter. However, what is on the cards is seeing how the land lies middle of next year and maybe pick up a used 718 GT4 instead! I'll drive it though, so I'll need something that has already done a fair few miles and depreciated nicely.
Congrats to you gents picking up the GTS 4.0
. I've enjoyed watching them come through and I'm sure they're epic. It's just a shame that this is the end of the line.Fnumber1user said:
Good job we're all different. The hype and nonsense that the 4 pots don't hold their value is just complete internet BS. Both engines have their advantages and disadvantages. Didn't look at the the options lists but the lowest price 6 cylinder 982GTS is a 20 plate GTS with 12745 miles @ £64990, lowest price 4 cylinder 982GTS is an 18 plate with 35833 miles @ £53990, hardly a chasm between the two when you factor mileage and age in, is it... The market isn't following your speculation... highest listed approved use 982GTS 4 cylinder is £63495 with 6950 miles on a November 19 plate.
Absolutely agree with that, being different is essential to enjoying the variety of life including automotive design. If you look carefully I didn't say 4 pots won't hold their value, it's just an opinion I have been wrong before 
Enjoy what you have, I do, but I will never desire to own a 4 pot Porsche or anything that needs plugging in 
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Happy23 said:
Hello - firstly thank you to all those that have contributed to the Boxster / Cayman forum over the last decade. The posts helped inform my decision to buy a new 981 2.7 in 2014, assisted with a warranty claim (the PCM failed), what tyres to buy (PS4S) etc etc.
I've driven 75,000 miles and the car still brings a smile to my face. I'm just back from a trip to the Dolomites, one of many European holidays in the car. I have a runabout for driving to work so the Boxster is mainly a weekend car which has never been tracked, has an OPC FSH and remains under Porsche warranty.
I placed a deposit on a 718 BGTS 4.0 in January 2023 and now have been told I have an allocation for which I will need to confirm the spec later this month. Good news, but £85k (approx) is a significant figure and £30k more than I would really want to spend, although it is a great car and I have no interest in buying an EV.
I now have a decision to make and would welcome your thoughts. I would like to drive a Boxster for another 10 years and continue to drive to Italy / Spain for holidays with annual mileage approx 7k. I could buy the BGTS - you only live once, although I may have to delay retirement by 6 months (still 5 years away) - not a great hardship. Or, do I spend some cash on the 981 which would keep it fit for purpose for another 10 years? The brakes will need changing for the first time, but what else would need to be done and what would be the approx cost?
My wife is supportive of either decision, her main concern is over the colour as the Sapphire Blue 981 is much nicer in her opinion (and mine) for a sports car compared with the 718 colours although she thinks my current choice of GT silver is ok. Also she knows I'm not a mechanic and doesn't want to be stranded on the side of the road should there be a problem with the car.
Apologies for the long post but I thought others must have had similar first world problems to deal with.
If you’re thinking about keeping long term, I’d go for the new car. I have had a similar dilemma with a Macan. Bought a 6 year old Macan Turbo to experience the car whilst I have a deposit for a new Macan GTS. I considered cancelling the order and keeping the Turbo and also considered buying a 2/3 year old car with low miles.I've driven 75,000 miles and the car still brings a smile to my face. I'm just back from a trip to the Dolomites, one of many European holidays in the car. I have a runabout for driving to work so the Boxster is mainly a weekend car which has never been tracked, has an OPC FSH and remains under Porsche warranty.
I placed a deposit on a 718 BGTS 4.0 in January 2023 and now have been told I have an allocation for which I will need to confirm the spec later this month. Good news, but £85k (approx) is a significant figure and £30k more than I would really want to spend, although it is a great car and I have no interest in buying an EV.
I now have a decision to make and would welcome your thoughts. I would like to drive a Boxster for another 10 years and continue to drive to Italy / Spain for holidays with annual mileage approx 7k. I could buy the BGTS - you only live once, although I may have to delay retirement by 6 months (still 5 years away) - not a great hardship. Or, do I spend some cash on the 981 which would keep it fit for purpose for another 10 years? The brakes will need changing for the first time, but what else would need to be done and what would be the approx cost?
My wife is supportive of either decision, her main concern is over the colour as the Sapphire Blue 981 is much nicer in her opinion (and mine) for a sports car compared with the 718 colours although she thinks my current choice of GT silver is ok. Also she knows I'm not a mechanic and doesn't want to be stranded on the side of the road should there be a problem with the car.
Apologies for the long post but I thought others must have had similar first world problems to deal with.
I decided as I want to keep the car 10+ years, there are a number of reasons I am sticking with the new car order:
- New car will be specced to our preferences
- Keeping our current Macan would mean it will be over 15 years old when we still want it to be a main contributor to our daily transport
- current Macan also means a few compromises on spec items we want
- I didn’t see value in a 2/3 year old car compared to new price. In my view the same is true with Boxsters, particularly if you are looking at a long term ownership proposition.
You have a different set of circumstances and your Boxster is more of a fun car, but from a purely financial perspective, buying a new car with all the benefits that brings for the long term seems a much better choice than sinking money into an older car.
Good luck with your deliberations.
Happy23 said:
Hello - firstly thank you to all those that have contributed to the Boxster / Cayman forum over the last decade. The posts helped inform my decision to buy a new 981 2.7 in 2014, assisted with a warranty claim (the PCM failed), what tyres to buy (PS4S) etc etc.
I've driven 75,000 miles and the car still brings a smile to my face. I'm just back from a trip to the Dolomites, one of many European holidays in the car. I have a runabout for driving to work so the Boxster is mainly a weekend car which has never been tracked, has an OPC FSH and remains under Porsche warranty.
I placed a deposit on a 718 BGTS 4.0 in January 2023 and now have been told I have an allocation for which I will need to confirm the spec later this month. Good news, but £85k (approx) is a significant figure and £30k more than I would really want to spend, although it is a great car and I have no interest in buying an EV.
I now have a decision to make and would welcome your thoughts. I would like to drive a Boxster for another 10 years and continue to drive to Italy / Spain for holidays with annual mileage approx 7k. I could buy the BGTS - you only live once, although I may have to delay retirement by 6 months (still 5 years away) - not a great hardship. Or, do I spend some cash on the 981 which would keep it fit for purpose for another 10 years? The brakes will need changing for the first time, but what else would need to be done and what would be the approx cost?
My wife is supportive of either decision, her main concern is over the colour as the Sapphire Blue 981 is much nicer in her opinion (and mine) for a sports car compared with the 718 colours although she thinks my current choice of GT silver is ok. Also she knows I'm not a mechanic and doesn't want to be stranded on the side of the road should there be a problem with the car.
Apologies for the long post but I thought others must have had similar first world problems to deal with.
You are facing the same dilemma I am. I placed a deposit in March 2023 as I have owned 3 Boxster's, 2 x 986s and 1 x 981 Spyder. I have driven 2 x 718 4.0GTS's (including Barchetta Boys on here) and was very impressed, quicker and better to drive than my 981 Spyder. I see it as the last chance to buy a manual ICE car to my spec. However a few things are putting me off and your post just re ignited my doubts. I've driven 75,000 miles and the car still brings a smile to my face. I'm just back from a trip to the Dolomites, one of many European holidays in the car. I have a runabout for driving to work so the Boxster is mainly a weekend car which has never been tracked, has an OPC FSH and remains under Porsche warranty.
I placed a deposit on a 718 BGTS 4.0 in January 2023 and now have been told I have an allocation for which I will need to confirm the spec later this month. Good news, but £85k (approx) is a significant figure and £30k more than I would really want to spend, although it is a great car and I have no interest in buying an EV.
I now have a decision to make and would welcome your thoughts. I would like to drive a Boxster for another 10 years and continue to drive to Italy / Spain for holidays with annual mileage approx 7k. I could buy the BGTS - you only live once, although I may have to delay retirement by 6 months (still 5 years away) - not a great hardship. Or, do I spend some cash on the 981 which would keep it fit for purpose for another 10 years? The brakes will need changing for the first time, but what else would need to be done and what would be the approx cost?
My wife is supportive of either decision, her main concern is over the colour as the Sapphire Blue 981 is much nicer in her opinion (and mine) for a sports car compared with the 718 colours although she thinks my current choice of GT silver is ok. Also she knows I'm not a mechanic and doesn't want to be stranded on the side of the road should there be a problem with the car.
Apologies for the long post but I thought others must have had similar first world problems to deal with.
I have just completed a faultless 2,750 mile road trip to lake Bled and back in my 2001 78k miles Boxster S. It was comfortable, quick (165mpg on the autobahn) did 31 mpg, AC was cold, loads of luggage (I think 718 frunk is smaller?) It has everything I need and I don't need to worry about putting miles on it or where I park / leave it. Yes a BGTS 4.0 will be better but at current prices £75k+ better??? So to answer your question your 981 will definitely be fine in 10 years time. I have completed 7k miles each year over the past 2 years in my 986 and if it goes pop, well it goes pop, 986 are 10 a penny.
The other issue is colour, I'm just not feeling any of the colours, I want PTS and its not available. I cant spend £85k on a colour I don't like. My 986 is rainforest green and as a PTS option on the 718 it costs more than my 986 is worth, but I would pay it if it was possible, but its not.
Cars are changing rapidly, as is the world. I'm deluding myself into thinking the 4.0 BGTS would be a 'forever' car but I don't know if that would even be possible given the way legislation is going. Perhaps a 10-15 year car then throw it away! Next year (2024) I have read mandatory autonomous braking, data logging (black box) and speed limiters come into force. Although required since 2022 they haven't needed to be activated but in 2024 all new cars will need to have these systems functioning . If my 4.0 BGTS were to fall into this legislation there would be NO WAY I would go through with it.
Its a tough choice but ATM the carefree ownership experience of a worthless 986 in a colour I adore with no assistance nannying is winning the argument.
Edited by Bispal on Thursday 7th September 14:41
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