Discussion
rockin said:
Yes. I'm quite happy to rely on the people who actually design and build the cars. Especially when it's one of the world's most successful manufacturers.
Then that is your choice. But ask yourself, why are Pilot Super Sports N rated for the Carrera GT and nothing else ?
Even if they are much better cold weather tyres than Cup2's ?
And why does the GT4 standard suspension on track scrub off the tyre shoulders when it really never needed to ?
I am very happy to trust myself ... and I'm saving a small fortune in consumables whilst enjoying a better car for my purpose ...
Hence to the point, my selection of Surface Transform's ....
bcr5784 said:
If I really thought the only GT4 option was going to cost me £800 a track day for brakes alone, I'd be thinking of alternatives. You can hire a Caterham for the day for little more - EVERYTHING bar track fee included. And there are Lotus alternatives that are only a bit more. How about a 211R for £1295?
And would it really be financially prudent to buy a PCCB equipped car at (say) 20k miles if there was a serious risk of it costing you £20k to replace the discs in your period of ownership? You probably wouldn't if you thought the PDK box was likely to fail while you owned it - which wouldn't cost you half as much. That is the reason that PCCB equipped cars don't command a premium over steel braked cars in the second-hand market.
sh#t happens u know... had my gearbox replaced, engine on my ex 4s dfi... never had any issue on pccb. again it costs 20k if u buy new rotor but u can refurbish those and it costs less than steel rotor!And would it really be financially prudent to buy a PCCB equipped car at (say) 20k miles if there was a serious risk of it costing you £20k to replace the discs in your period of ownership? You probably wouldn't if you thought the PDK box was likely to fail while you owned it - which wouldn't cost you half as much. That is the reason that PCCB equipped cars don't command a premium over steel braked cars in the second-hand market.
Edited by bcr5784 on Sunday 23 February 21:24
how did u come up with 800£/track day?
Trgasy said:
how did u come up with 800£/track day?
Assuming he does another 20k miles and 15 track days that is 30 track days and £25k costs of brakes - that's around £800 per track day - assuming that most of wear occurs on track days. I am simply using his figures and the cost of replacement. s
t does happen - unexpected failures are one thing - but this is a predictable cost, which is quite another.Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 24th February 09:24
bcr5784 said:
Assuming he does another 20k miles and 15 track days that is 30 track days and £25k costs of brakes - that's around £800 per track day - assuming that most of wear occurs on track days. I am simply using his figures and the cost of replacement.
st does happen - unexpected failures are one thing - but this is a predictable cost, which is quite another.
"he" is actually me... again would never pay 25k for brakes, u can refurbish like new... s
t does happen - unexpected failures are one thing - but this is a predictable cost, which is quite another.Edited by bcr5784 on Monday 24th February 09:24
and if u refurbish, they are cheaper than steel. but u seem stuck with those 25k.
Trgasy said:
"he" is actually me... again would never pay 25k for brakes, u can refurbish like new...
and if u refurbish, they are cheaper than steel. but u seem stuck with those 25k.
Not stuck on 25k - just using your figures - by all means quote what the actual cost would be if you refurbish. and if u refurbish, they are cheaper than steel. but u seem stuck with those 25k.
Andyoz said:
If China was a big market for the 718 base 4 pots (due to high tax for engines over 2.0lt) what is the 'shutdown' over there doing for sales of that model...
OMG. It's all gone down the crapper. There are fields and fields of unsold 4 pots just gathering dust. 
Right I'm off to start panic buying.
Is that you HIghway??
rockin said:
ChrisW. said:
For example, in a well used car does anybody really agree with two year service intervals and only using N rated tyres ?
Yes. I'm quite happy to rely on the people who actually design and build the cars. Especially when it's one of the world's most successful manufacturers.That’s the official line trotted out by opcs in order to maintain the illusion that their service prices are reasonable.
Try asking one of the experienced service technicians how often they would change the oil if it were their pride and joy and a long term keeper.
Oil change after initial running in period also a good idea
Try asking one of the experienced service technicians how often they would change the oil if it were their pride and joy and a long term keeper.
Oil change after initial running in period also a good idea
Milnsey said:
That’s the official line trotted out by opcs in order to maintain the illusion that their service prices are reasonable.
Try asking one of the experienced service technicians how often they would change the oil if it were their pride and joy and a long term keeper.
Oil change after initial running in period also a good idea
Would I be happy going 20k between services if I was a hard driver? No. On the other hand, if I did 5 or 6k of mixed motoring per year (as many PorscheTry asking one of the experienced service technicians how often they would change the oil if it were their pride and joy and a long term keeper.
Oil change after initial running in period also a good idea
owners do)) then 2 year servicing is both sensible technically and financially not too onerous.
Really - they'll turn down work there and then towards their centre's profits to enhance a supposed illusion for the brand? Pull the other one!
I think the indies are saying you should have extra services to line their pockets...
EDIT: I agree with BCR - if you're doing 20k hard track miles in two years you should increase maintenance but that's a different kettle of fish.
I think the indies are saying you should have extra services to line their pockets...
EDIT: I agree with BCR - if you're doing 20k hard track miles in two years you should increase maintenance but that's a different kettle of fish.
Edited by Twinfan on Tuesday 25th February 20:18
A couple of years ago, I was listening to Radio Le Mans at the race and they had the team boss from Corvette Racing on and he said on more than one occasion that you do not need to exceed the oil change frequency of Mobil 1 and you should stick to the manufacturers schedule and that you’re wasting your money by changing it out with the long life schedule. If it’s good enough for a Corvette GTE, I’m sure it’s good enough for your daily driver.
Perhaps the reason they don't want to change your oil more often is so that you have engine problems and have to buy another Porsche?
I asked my local indy what preventative measures would be good for the future. The one thing he said was to change the oil more often, at 10k intervals.
I asked my local indy what preventative measures would be good for the future. The one thing he said was to change the oil more often, at 10k intervals.
bcr5784 said:
Would I be happy going 20k between services if I was a hard driver? No. On the other hand, if I did 5 or 6k of mixed motoring per year (as many Porsche
owners do)) then 2 year servicing is both sensible technically and financially not too onerous.
It depends on what sort of driving you do. 5k per year short stop start journeys a lot harder on machinery than 20k per year long trips.owners do)) then 2 year servicing is both sensible technically and financially not too onerous.
But having said all that I’ll go by the recommendations of one of the world’s top manufacturers rather than opinions of social media “experts”. So for me I follow their guidelines, and always maintain the car at OPC’s.
Edited by dreamcar on Wednesday 26th February 08:42
What oil is specified for our engines?
I thought it was Mobil 1 but that only lasts 15k miles: https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-v...
Also: "Additional requirements for all Mobil Full Synthetic products include: 1) Oils must be put in service not later than five (5) years from the date of purchase; and 2) an oil change must be completed every six (6) months."
From: https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-v...
I thought it was Mobil 1 but that only lasts 15k miles: https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-v...
Also: "Additional requirements for all Mobil Full Synthetic products include: 1) Oils must be put in service not later than five (5) years from the date of purchase; and 2) an oil change must be completed every six (6) months."
From: https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-v...
Edited by DJMC on Wednesday 26th February 09:10
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