Must have options GTS

Must have options GTS

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Koln-RS

3,871 posts

213 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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Twinfan said:
Koln-RS said:
I doubt many people would spec pccbs on a 4-cylinder 718, although they would be very desirable on the forthcoming 6-cylinder model.
What I don’t understand is the comment about replacement costs.
In road use, they should last well over 100k mls, with all the associated benefits, so at worst they are probably cost neutral.
Why would the engine change the desirability of PCCBs?

I've said it before that replacement due to damage is my issue with PCCBs - chips, scrapes etc. Plus if you want to run an extended warranty you'll need to ensure they're in tip-top condition for the 111-point check. What about at trade-in time if Porsche say they need replacing too - will you get screwed over on your part-ex?

Based on all the above I don't think they're worth having, but everyone has their own opinion smile
My comment was based on the new 718/6 GTS being much more desirable and closer to the GT models, where buyers tend to specify Pccbs.

As I said, they should not wear out in normal road use until way into six-figure mileages.
In the unlikely event they get damaged you claim on your insurance, as with any other accidental damage.


Edited by Koln-RS on Tuesday 21st January 21:16

Twinfan

10,125 posts

105 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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cc3 said:
PASM 20 mm ok on speed humps ? Is that the same ride height as GT4?
GT4s are -30mm smile

Twinfan

10,125 posts

105 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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Koln-RS said:
My comment was based on the new 718/6 GTS being much more desirable and closer to the GT models, where buyers tend to specify Pccbs.

As I said, they should not wear out in normal road use until way into six-figure mileages.
In the unlikely event they get damaged you claim on your insurance, as with any other accidental damage.
The GTS 4.0 is no closer to the GT4 than the 981 GTS or 718 GTS was, no GT chassis, aero or electronic set up.

I'd like to see someone successfully claim off their insurance for both sides discs and pads replacement if one PCCB disc gets damaged given that they're consumables.

Prestonese

794 posts

106 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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cc3 said:
PASM 20 mm ok on speed humps ? Is that the same ride height as GT4?
Depends where you are. When I had the 981 with X73, it was a gamble going over central London speed bumps. Parking face on to a kerb needed a bit of attention as well.

dunc_sx

1,609 posts

198 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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Twinfan said:
The GTS 4.0 is no closer to the GT4 than the 981 GTS or 718 GTS was, no GT chassis, aero or electronic set up.
Well, except the engine that is.

Dunc.

Twinfan

10,125 posts

105 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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dunc_sx said:
Well, except the engine that is.

Dunc.
Of course, but the 981 GT4 basically had the 3.4 from the GTS in 3.8ltr form. The 718 engines are obviously very similar too, albeit the GTS has 20bhp and 200 revs less.

I don't see that the 718 GTS 4.0 is substantially closer to a GT car, but I guess the journo reviews may say otherwise when they arrive smile

Andyoz

2,890 posts

55 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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ClubsportStr said:
The OPC are not going to devalue the gts 4 cylinders for 2 reasons .

1. If the devalue the gts the other 4’s will be devalued and they are still be trying to sell them.
2. Every Car will be returned at the end of the PCP deals and the OPC will take a hit on every car

Just my option.
Interesting point about end of CPC returns and the trickle down effect on the non GTS prices.

In answer to the OP question, I'd be buying a bare bones one as cheap as possible, put loads of miles on it and just enjoy the drive.

Looking at OPC lightly used prices, some are still listed at £75k??!? I know a New lightly specced 6 pot GTS will exceed that quickly but I can only assume they're waiting for a buyer that's been hiding under a stone the last few months and knows nothing about the 6 pot they can order...

ags11

569 posts

141 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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Think I'd maybe save a bit on the interior and go for the sport tec interior, it gives grey stitching and is a good bit less than GTS interior.

Apologies for bringing up stitching, l just think the coloured options have had their day, a bit like black wheels!

Unlike other GTS badged cars, the usp of this car is the 4l engine. People buying it want the 6NA, not particularly a GTS. Hence I wouldn't get too hung up with historically essential GTS options - ie the expensive interior.

Fnumber1user

411 posts

53 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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Andyoz said:
Interesting point about end of CPC returns and the trickle down effect on the non GTS prices.

In answer to the OP question, I'd be buying a bare bones one as cheap as possible, put loads of miles on it and just enjoy the drive.

Looking at OPC lightly used prices, some are still listed at £75k??!? I know a New lightly specced 6 pot GTS will exceed that quickly but I can only assume they're waiting for a buyer that's been hiding under a stone the last few months and knows nothing about the 6 pot they can order...
The 6 pot isn't the be all and end all to Porsche ownership, and this conversation is getting quite tedious. Ask Porsche for a finance quote and you'll be pleasantly surprised by what they'll offer back on a F4T Cayman GTS after 3 years. It's hilarious that now the F6NA engine is coming to the GTS that the journo's are finally acknowledging just how good the 718 chassis' are. All very laughable, IMHO.

tedblog

1,438 posts

81 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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Porsche have never sold more than 500 of either 981 or 718 guise, its not going to be a huge seller? Prices will be high for a while and people dont like waiting so they look elsewhere in the range for a possible bargain?

Andyoz

2,890 posts

55 months

Tuesday 21st January 2020
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Fnumber1user said:
Andyoz said:
Interesting point about end of CPC returns and the trickle down effect on the non GTS prices.

In answer to the OP question, I'd be buying a bare bones one as cheap as possible, put loads of miles on it and just enjoy the drive.

Looking at OPC lightly used prices, some are still listed at £75k??!? I know a New lightly specced 6 pot GTS will exceed that quickly but I can only assume they're waiting for a buyer that's been hiding under a stone the last few months and knows nothing about the 6 pot they can order...
The 6 pot isn't the be all and end all to Porsche ownership, and this conversation is getting quite tedious. Ask Porsche for a finance quote and you'll be pleasantly surprised by what they'll offer back on a F4T Cayman GTS after 3 years. It's hilarious that now the F6NA engine is coming to the GTS that the journo's are finally acknowledging just how good the 718 chassis' are. All very laughable, IMHO.
I didn't say it was and in my posts in other threads I've acknowledged how good the 718 is.

It's just that the 6 pot traits (sound as well as engine vibration balance) are what brought me over to Porsche ownership and losing that means Porsche lose alot of that differentiator from other brands. Others don't care and that's fine too.

Nuttcase

410 posts

121 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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ClubsportStr said:
The OPC are not going to devalue the gts 4 cylinders for 2 reasons .

1. If the devalue the gts the other 4’s will be devalued and they are still be trying to sell them.
2. Every Car will be returned at the end of the PCP deals and the OPC will take a hit on every car

Just my option.
Its already devalued, though will have further to go. 2019 718 GTS demonstrators with 2,000 miles available now for 25% off list.

Fnumber1user

411 posts

53 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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Nuttcase said:
Its already devalued, though will have further to go. 2019 718 GTS demonstrators with 2,000 miles available now for 25% off list.
Link please?

Nuttcase

410 posts

121 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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Fnumber1user said:
Link please?
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Boxster-GTS-109235

List around £74k.

ClubsportStr

371 posts

76 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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Nuttcase said:
Fnumber1user said:
Link please?
https://finder.porsche.com/gb/en_GB/718-Boxster-GTS-109235

List around £74k.
It’s 10 month old . Not exactly new

Twinfan

10,125 posts

105 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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Only 2k miles in those 10 months though and it's dropped £20k.

Ouch.

Porsche911R

21,146 posts

266 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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Twinfan said:
Of course, but the 981 GT4 basically had the 3.4 from the GTS in 3.8ltr form. The 718 engines are obviously very similar too, albeit the GTS has 20bhp and 200 revs less.

I don't see that the 718 GTS 4.0 is substantially closer to a GT car, but I guess the journo reviews may say otherwise when they arrive smile
3.4 to 3.8 is a bit different from 4.0 to 4.0 ?

I am waiting to see the cars also before buying or not, but lets hope if they are close there are not all sold out, my OPC keeps phoning me to buy one though.

but I think I want older cars, not classic, just new cars are getting a bit dull and old cars feel so good and 1/2 the price.
I may even buy another R lol

ClubsportStr

371 posts

76 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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Twinfan said:
Only 2k miles in those 10 months though and it's dropped £20k.

Ouch.
Over specced from new with options that don’t retain there value. Look they are not the latest cars and have been replaced with what deemed as a better engine. Even although no one driven one. !!

I’m not saying GTS 4 values are not going to be affected . But the days of getting near list for 1-2 year old none GT products are gone. 981 GTS only retained there value as it was deemed that the 4 cylinder replacement was an inferior product. Lets see what happens to 981 GTS prices when the new 6 cylinder GTS are readily available?


Porsche911R

21,146 posts

266 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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ClubsportStr said:
. Lets see what happens to 981 GTS prices when the new 6 cylinder GTS are readily available?
at half the price not a lot imo, some one with £42k to spend don't have £80k

there was a13k mile Boxster GTS with x73 for sale at £42k last week it sold in 1 day !!!

ClubsportStr

371 posts

76 months

Wednesday 22nd January 2020
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Fnumber1user said:
Andyoz said:
Interesting point about end of CPC returns and the trickle down effect on the non GTS prices.

In answer to the OP question, I'd be buying a bare bones one as cheap as possible, put loads of miles on it and just enjoy the drive.

Looking at OPC lightly used prices, some are still listed at £75k??!? I know a New lightly specced 6 pot GTS will exceed that quickly but I can only assume they're waiting for a buyer that's been hiding under a stone the last few months and knows nothing about the 6 pot they can order...
The 6 pot isn't the be all and end all to Porsche ownership, and this conversation is getting quite tedious. Ask Porsche for a finance quote and you'll be pleasantly surprised by what they'll offer back on a F4T Cayman GTS after 3 years. It's hilarious that now the F6NA engine is coming to the GTS that the journo's are finally acknowledging just how good the 718 chassis' are. All very laughable, IMHO.
Good point made clap