Thanks for the advice - I did it!

[AshVX220]

Philvrs said:

AshVX220 said:

Just standard I think. I only really need data so I can listen to music through youtube music, but that's downloaded enough for me to listen to. If I need data for anything else I won't be driving anyway, so it's not a massive problem to be honest.

That's the correct operation for rSAP on a pcm with telephone preparation I believe (mines the same). I understand later firmware allows it to be changed to simple hands free protocol ( uses the pcm like a headset only) but doesn't use cars built in antenna and phone book on the screen etc.
PIWIS is needed to change modes I believe, it's not user selectable, so dealer/indy required.
Only repeating what I've read so far, my pcm 3.0 is still on original firmware (version V ) so I've no experience of using the Bluetooth any other way, but the cost to upgrade software/maps is not worth it for me.

Cool, thanks for the info. I don't think I'll bother changing anything, I can make calls on my phone and listen to music from my phone via the AUX connection, so it's enough for me.

[drjdog]

You could install a sensible head unit. lol.

[A1VDY]

Lovely looking sex on wheels the Cayman.
I particularly wanted a Carrera White Gen 1 3.4S and looked at various ones all over the country for around 3months for the perfect example.
Eventually found a one owner 23k mile never used in the wet example 2 miles from my house!

Yours looks superb BTW..

[AshVX220]

A1VDY said:

Lovely looking sex on wheels the Cayman.
I particularly wanted a Carrera White Gen 1 3.4S and looked at various ones all over the country for around 3months for the perfect example.
Eventually found a one owner 23k mile never used in the wet example 2 miles from my house!

Yours looks superb BTW..

Thanks, I'm really pleased with it so far.

[Shiverman]

Hi OP - loving the look of your car really gorgeous. My first Porsche was also a 2.9 Cayman and I had some really good times in it. I've had night blue in some other cars since and it has to be one of Porsches best colours IMO.

Like yours, mine didn't have Sport Chrono so hence no sport button so I bought PedalBox plug and play module after a few months - easy to fit and return to standard when I sold the car on. I found this sharpened up the throttle response and got rid of a little of the 'laziness' from the car.

I'm sure there used to be a UK reseller, but this link is just from a quick google search.

https://www.pedalbox.com/en/porsche/cayman-987-200...

Enjoy your car!

[ATM]

ATM said:

The sport chrono doesnt add much but you do get a useful tweak to the throttle response from the associated sport button. You can add this to a car without quite easily and even Porsche dealers will do this for you. It just sharpens up the throttle response / pedal and makes it a bit less lethargic or a bit more aggressive depending on your view.

Also the Porsche dealer can without a plug in box thing.

[AshVX220]

Thanks for the advice Shiverman and ATM, I'll look into those options, it may make the car that bit more "fun" on track days etc.

[ATM]

AshVX220 said:

Thanks for the advice Shiverman and ATM, I'll look into those options, it may make the car that bit more "fun" on track days etc.

I found the sport mode a bit too angry on my early 997.1 c2s. So its not a firm recommendation from me. I'm just informing you that its available if you decide to go that way.

[AshVX220]

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

Thanks for the advice Shiverman and ATM, I'll look into those options, it may make the car that bit more "fun" on track days etc.

I found the sport mode a bit too angry on my early 997.1 c2s. So its not a firm recommendation from me. I'm just informing you that its available if you decide to go that way.

Thanks ATM, good insight as always, I think I'll get a couple of track days under my belt first and see how she is there before I do anything to it.

[ATM]

AshVX220 said:

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

Thanks for the advice Shiverman and ATM, I'll look into those options, it may make the car that bit more "fun" on track days etc.

I found the sport mode a bit too angry on my early 997.1 c2s. So its not a firm recommendation from me. I'm just informing you that its available if you decide to go that way.

Thanks ATM, good insight as always, I think I'll get a couple of track days under my belt first and see how she is there before I do anything to it.

Never drove mine on track. The 997 gen 1 may have been different throttle wise and obviously the bigger 3.8 may respond differently to a more aggressive throttle map. I just found that once you were used to the throttle then altering its behaviour via the sport button meant you had to almost learn how to use the throttle pedal all over again. I didn't want to do that.

[AshVX220]

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

Thanks for the advice Shiverman and ATM, I'll look into those options, it may make the car that bit more "fun" on track days etc.

I found the sport mode a bit too angry on my early 997.1 c2s. So its not a firm recommendation from me. I'm just informing you that its available if you decide to go that way.

Thanks ATM, good insight as always, I think I'll get a couple of track days under my belt first and see how she is there before I do anything to it.

Never drove mine on track. The 997 gen 1 may have been different throttle wise and obviously the bigger 3.8 may respond differently to a more aggressive throttle map. I just found that once you were used to the throttle then altering its behaviour via the sport button meant you had to almost learn how to use the throttle pedal all over again. I didn't want to do that.

Yes, that's a really good point actually, I'm not normally one for modifying cars to be honest, I always worry that when you take them away from how they were initially designed you run the risk of causing more problems sometimes (though a map probably wouldn't hurt). I'm no driving God so I expect I'll stick with it and just get used to the way it is. I am however, still very much smitten with it, I love how it handles and how smooth everything seems to be.

[ATM]

AshVX220 said:

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

Thanks for the advice Shiverman and ATM, I'll look into those options, it may make the car that bit more "fun" on track days etc.

I found the sport mode a bit too angry on my early 997.1 c2s. So its not a firm recommendation from me. I'm just informing you that its available if you decide to go that way.

Thanks ATM, good insight as always, I think I'll get a couple of track days under my belt first and see how she is there before I do anything to it.

Never drove mine on track. The 997 gen 1 may have been different throttle wise and obviously the bigger 3.8 may respond differently to a more aggressive throttle map. I just found that once you were used to the throttle then altering its behaviour via the sport button meant you had to almost learn how to use the throttle pedal all over again. I didn't want to do that.

Yes, that's a really good point actually, I'm not normally one for modifying cars to be honest, I always worry that when you take them away from how they were initially designed you run the risk of causing more problems sometimes (though a map probably wouldn't hurt). I'm no driving God so I expect I'll stick with it and just get used to the way it is. I am however, still very much smitten with it, I love how it handles and how smooth everything seems to be.

Get with the program man. There is a reason there are so many people who are serious fans of these cars - they are that good. Yes there was the 911 and then the poor man's Boxster. Porsche are the only manufacturer in the world who brought out a none convertible version of a car which cost more money to buy than the convertible. Obvioulsy becase they realised the boxster was too cheap. Over the years I think this has changed and the newer boxster has gotten more expense as the newer cayman has got cheaper but initially the cayman was more. So it took serious commitment from a buyer to choose the more expensive cayman over the boxster. All that aside they are great great cars. They basically use a lot of the parts from the 911 and just some tweaks to spin the engine around into the middle. But its hardly cobbled together. Their mid engine platform has always been good and the extra rigidity from the roof makes the cayman a good product. I'm just a sucker for a soft top so I'll always prefer the boxster but maybe I will try a cayman at some pint - never say never.

[Andyoz]

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

Thanks for the advice Shiverman and ATM, I'll look into those options, it may make the car that bit more "fun" on track days etc.

I found the sport mode a bit too angry on my early 997.1 c2s. So its not a firm recommendation from me. I'm just informing you that its available if you decide to go that way.

Thanks ATM, good insight as always, I think I'll get a couple of track days under my belt first and see how she is there before I do anything to it.

Never drove mine on track. The 997 gen 1 may have been different throttle wise and obviously the bigger 3.8 may respond differently to a more aggressive throttle map. I just found that once you were used to the throttle then altering its behaviour via the sport button meant you had to almost learn how to use the throttle pedal all over again. I didn't want to do that.

I don't get it either

Why learn heel/toe with one setting and then have to adjust...I've found the stock 987 setting fine. Just push the pedal harder and faster! I thought we were buying these cars for their analogue feel.

[Shiverman]

Andyoz said:

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

Thanks for the advice Shiverman and ATM, I'll look into those options, it may make the car that bit more "fun" on track days etc.

I found the sport mode a bit too angry on my early 997.1 c2s. So its not a firm recommendation from me. I'm just informing you that its available if you decide to go that way.

Thanks ATM, good insight as always, I think I'll get a couple of track days under my belt first and see how she is there before I do anything to it.

Never drove mine on track. The 997 gen 1 may have been different throttle wise and obviously the bigger 3.8 may respond differently to a more aggressive throttle map. I just found that once you were used to the throttle then altering its behaviour via the sport button meant you had to almost learn how to use the throttle pedal all over again. I didn't want to do that.

I don't get it either

Why learn heel/toe with one setting and then have to adjust...I've found the stock 987 setting fine. Just push the pedal harder and faster! I thought we were buying these cars for their analogue feel.

I guess that's why we're all different. I use 'sport' all the time unless I'm poodling around and the slightly sharper response from sport (or the pedal box) makes H&T a little easier imo to blip the throttle. I also haven't had any issues recalibrating my brain/foot to the different modes. When you want to be 'on it' I'm concentrating anyway and appreciating the more twitchy and aggressive sport mode when the car lifts its skirts and just goes.

OP - I'm also not a fan of modding cars tbh partly as I run with Porsche warranty. I chose pedal box at the time as it was cheaper than having my OPC install the sport button and after I sold the car I sold the pedal box separately and recouped a chunk fo the money I'd spent on it.

I think the best way to see if the sport button is going to be for you is to drive a car that has one installed and switch it on and off to see what it does and whether this appeals to you.

In the end you've got a lovely car so maybe you don't need this feature as you seem to be massively enjoying it without.

[14]

The Sport button also changes the PSM settings.

[AshVX220]

14 said:

The Sport button also changes the PSM settings.

That's part of the Sport Chrono pack isn't it? Either way, I don't have a sport button on mine.

[AshVX220]

Shiverman said:

Andyoz said:

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

Thanks for the advice Shiverman and ATM, I'll look into those options, it may make the car that bit more "fun" on track days etc.

I found the sport mode a bit too angry on my early 997.1 c2s. So its not a firm recommendation from me. I'm just informing you that its available if you decide to go that way.

Thanks ATM, good insight as always, I think I'll get a couple of track days under my belt first and see how she is there before I do anything to it.

Never drove mine on track. The 997 gen 1 may have been different throttle wise and obviously the bigger 3.8 may respond differently to a more aggressive throttle map. I just found that once you were used to the throttle then altering its behaviour via the sport button meant you had to almost learn how to use the throttle pedal all over again. I didn't want to do that.

I don't get it either

Why learn heel/toe with one setting and then have to adjust...I've found the stock 987 setting fine. Just push the pedal harder and faster! I thought we were buying these cars for their analogue feel.

I guess that's why we're all different. I use 'sport' all the time unless I'm poodling around and the slightly sharper response from sport (or the pedal box) makes H&T a little easier imo to blip the throttle. I also haven't had any issues recalibrating my brain/foot to the different modes. When you want to be 'on it' I'm concentrating anyway and appreciating the more twitchy and aggressive sport mode when the car lifts its skirts and just goes.

OP - I'm also not a fan of modding cars tbh partly as I run with Porsche warranty. I chose pedal box at the time as it was cheaper than having my OPC install the sport button and after I sold the car I sold the pedal box separately and recouped a chunk fo the money I'd spent on it.

I think the best way to see if the sport button is going to be for you is to drive a car that has one installed and switch it on and off to see what it does and whether this appeals to you.

In the end you've got a lovely car so maybe you don't need this feature as you seem to be massively enjoying it without.

Yeah, I agree, I am loving the car so far, it does everything I would want from a car and feels so nice to drive. I'm no driving God and don't even know how to H&T! I know the theory but don't know how to do it in practice and I'm not too keen on trying it on the public roads etc and when I'm on track I don't feel comfortable enough to try it when I'm focussing on lines etc. Maybe I'll do some training somewhere that will give the opportunity to learn it in a safe environment.

[ATM]

AshVX220 said:

Shiverman said:

Andyoz said:

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

Thanks for the advice Shiverman and ATM, I'll look into those options, it may make the car that bit more "fun" on track days etc.

I found the sport mode a bit too angry on my early 997.1 c2s. So its not a firm recommendation from me. I'm just informing you that its available if you decide to go that way.

Thanks ATM, good insight as always, I think I'll get a couple of track days under my belt first and see how she is there before I do anything to it.

Never drove mine on track. The 997 gen 1 may have been different throttle wise and obviously the bigger 3.8 may respond differently to a more aggressive throttle map. I just found that once you were used to the throttle then altering its behaviour via the sport button meant you had to almost learn how to use the throttle pedal all over again. I didn't want to do that.

I don't get it either

Why learn heel/toe with one setting and then have to adjust...I've found the stock 987 setting fine. Just push the pedal harder and faster! I thought we were buying these cars for their analogue feel.

I guess that's why we're all different. I use 'sport' all the time unless I'm poodling around and the slightly sharper response from sport (or the pedal box) makes H&T a little easier imo to blip the throttle. I also haven't had any issues recalibrating my brain/foot to the different modes. When you want to be 'on it' I'm concentrating anyway and appreciating the more twitchy and aggressive sport mode when the car lifts its skirts and just goes.

OP - I'm also not a fan of modding cars tbh partly as I run with Porsche warranty. I chose pedal box at the time as it was cheaper than having my OPC install the sport button and after I sold the car I sold the pedal box separately and recouped a chunk fo the money I'd spent on it.

I think the best way to see if the sport button is going to be for you is to drive a car that has one installed and switch it on and off to see what it does and whether this appeals to you.

In the end you've got a lovely car so maybe you don't need this feature as you seem to be massively enjoying it without.

Yeah, I agree, I am loving the car so far, it does everything I would want from a car and feels so nice to drive. I'm no driving God and don't even know how to H&T! I know the theory but don't know how to do it in practice and I'm not too keen on trying it on the public roads etc and when I'm on track I don't feel comfortable enough to try it when I'm focussing on lines etc. Maybe I'll do some training somewhere that will give the opportunity to learn it in a safe environment.

I dont H+T but dont tell anyone. I think H+T is only really useful when braking relatively hard as you are approaching a bend. I dont like late braking especially on roads so instead I also try to get my enjoyment from picking better lines. I try to watch my steering inputs and think about throttle. Ideally you want to apply lock and then remove as you apply throttle. So assuming you are not starting to slide around and need adjustment then your steering wheel should turn and then straighten in two movements. And the throttle should follow so no on and off with the throttle if trying to be smooth. Thats one of the the best bits for me from that video of jackie stewart teaching james may to to drive better - you never press the throttle until you know you will never take it off. And perhaps the harder bit to understand [for me] about leaning on the car. I will never have a training session with jackie stewart so I like to watch that one regularly

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2o54o2

[AshVX220]

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

Shiverman said:

Andyoz said:

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

Thanks for the advice Shiverman and ATM, I'll look into those options, it may make the car that bit more "fun" on track days etc.

I found the sport mode a bit too angry on my early 997.1 c2s. So its not a firm recommendation from me. I'm just informing you that its available if you decide to go that way.

Thanks ATM, good insight as always, I think I'll get a couple of track days under my belt first and see how she is there before I do anything to it.

Never drove mine on track. The 997 gen 1 may have been different throttle wise and obviously the bigger 3.8 may respond differently to a more aggressive throttle map. I just found that once you were used to the throttle then altering its behaviour via the sport button meant you had to almost learn how to use the throttle pedal all over again. I didn't want to do that.

I don't get it either

Why learn heel/toe with one setting and then have to adjust...I've found the stock 987 setting fine. Just push the pedal harder and faster! I thought we were buying these cars for their analogue feel.

I guess that's why we're all different. I use 'sport' all the time unless I'm poodling around and the slightly sharper response from sport (or the pedal box) makes H&T a little easier imo to blip the throttle. I also haven't had any issues recalibrating my brain/foot to the different modes. When you want to be 'on it' I'm concentrating anyway and appreciating the more twitchy and aggressive sport mode when the car lifts its skirts and just goes.

OP - I'm also not a fan of modding cars tbh partly as I run with Porsche warranty. I chose pedal box at the time as it was cheaper than having my OPC install the sport button and after I sold the car I sold the pedal box separately and recouped a chunk fo the money I'd spent on it.

I think the best way to see if the sport button is going to be for you is to drive a car that has one installed and switch it on and off to see what it does and whether this appeals to you.

In the end you've got a lovely car so maybe you don't need this feature as you seem to be massively enjoying it without.

Yeah, I agree, I am loving the car so far, it does everything I would want from a car and feels so nice to drive. I'm no driving God and don't even know how to H&T! I know the theory but don't know how to do it in practice and I'm not too keen on trying it on the public roads etc and when I'm on track I don't feel comfortable enough to try it when I'm focussing on lines etc. Maybe I'll do some training somewhere that will give the opportunity to learn it in a safe environment.

I dont H+T but dont tell anyone. I think H+T is only really useful when braking relatively hard as you are approaching a bend. I dont like late braking especially on roads so instead I also try to get my enjoyment from picking better lines. I try to watch my steering inputs and think about throttle. Ideally you want to apply lock and then remove as you apply throttle. So assuming you are not starting to slide around and need adjustment then your steering wheel should turn and then straighten in two movements. And the throttle should follow so no on and off with the throttle if trying to be smooth. Thats one of the the best bits for me from that video of jackie stewart teaching james may to to drive better - you never press the throttle until you know you will never take it off. And perhaps the harder bit to understand [for me] about leaning on the car. I will never have a training session with jackie stewart so I like to watch that one regularly

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2o54o2

Sounds exactly like the way I drive on track to be honest, I don't even late brake on track and I never go near the red line, I'll change with a good 500-750 rpm to spare normally. I also don't do any cadence braking, preferring to get all my braking out of the way in a straight line and before turning in. Trying to be as smooth as possible, which has served me well in the past, I'm not chasing lap times and only ever span my VX once on track at a very wet Donnington.

[ATM]

AshVX220 said:

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

Shiverman said:

Andyoz said:

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

ATM said:

AshVX220 said:

Thanks for the advice Shiverman and ATM, I'll look into those options, it may make the car that bit more "fun" on track days etc.

I found the sport mode a bit too angry on my early 997.1 c2s. So its not a firm recommendation from me. I'm just informing you that its available if you decide to go that way.

Thanks ATM, good insight as always, I think I'll get a couple of track days under my belt first and see how she is there before I do anything to it.

Never drove mine on track. The 997 gen 1 may have been different throttle wise and obviously the bigger 3.8 may respond differently to a more aggressive throttle map. I just found that once you were used to the throttle then altering its behaviour via the sport button meant you had to almost learn how to use the throttle pedal all over again. I didn't want to do that.

I don't get it either

Why learn heel/toe with one setting and then have to adjust...I've found the stock 987 setting fine. Just push the pedal harder and faster! I thought we were buying these cars for their analogue feel.

I guess that's why we're all different. I use 'sport' all the time unless I'm poodling around and the slightly sharper response from sport (or the pedal box) makes H&T a little easier imo to blip the throttle. I also haven't had any issues recalibrating my brain/foot to the different modes. When you want to be 'on it' I'm concentrating anyway and appreciating the more twitchy and aggressive sport mode when the car lifts its skirts and just goes.

OP - I'm also not a fan of modding cars tbh partly as I run with Porsche warranty. I chose pedal box at the time as it was cheaper than having my OPC install the sport button and after I sold the car I sold the pedal box separately and recouped a chunk fo the money I'd spent on it.

I think the best way to see if the sport button is going to be for you is to drive a car that has one installed and switch it on and off to see what it does and whether this appeals to you.

In the end you've got a lovely car so maybe you don't need this feature as you seem to be massively enjoying it without.

Yeah, I agree, I am loving the car so far, it does everything I would want from a car and feels so nice to drive. I'm no driving God and don't even know how to H&T! I know the theory but don't know how to do it in practice and I'm not too keen on trying it on the public roads etc and when I'm on track I don't feel comfortable enough to try it when I'm focussing on lines etc. Maybe I'll do some training somewhere that will give the opportunity to learn it in a safe environment.

I dont H+T but dont tell anyone. I think H+T is only really useful when braking relatively hard as you are approaching a bend. I dont like late braking especially on roads so instead I also try to get my enjoyment from picking better lines. I try to watch my steering inputs and think about throttle. Ideally you want to apply lock and then remove as you apply throttle. So assuming you are not starting to slide around and need adjustment then your steering wheel should turn and then straighten in two movements. And the throttle should follow so no on and off with the throttle if trying to be smooth. Thats one of the the best bits for me from that video of jackie stewart teaching james may to to drive better - you never press the throttle until you know you will never take it off. And perhaps the harder bit to understand [for me] about leaning on the car. I will never have a training session with jackie stewart so I like to watch that one regularly

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2o54o2

Sounds exactly like the way I drive on track to be honest, I don't even late brake on track and I never go near the red line, I'll change with a good 500-750 rpm to spare normally. I also don't do any cadence braking, preferring to get all my braking out of the way in a straight line and before turning in. Trying to be as smooth as possible, which has served me well in the past, I'm not chasing lap times and only ever span my VX once on track at a very wet Donnington.

I dont want to start banging on about 911's here but maybe just a little if I may. The difference when you drive a 911 is you can feel the weight at the back of the car. I dont care what is quicker or better for now just think about that weight in the back. You can be a bit more brutal with the throttle mid bend and just give it full throttle once turned and it will almost never slip or slide. It feels like that weight is on top of your outer back wheel pressing it down so it will just grip - which it kind of is. But the play off is that sometimes the car doesn't feel like it wants to turn in or rotate. You can easily adjust that with the throttle - so even though we are not supposed to be adjusting the throttle mid bend you can really feel the difference a bit of adjustment makes. Lifting off the throttle will move weight forward and give you more front end grip and its really noticeable in the 911 because all the weight is in the back. I find it harder to feel that in a mid engined car. I also like the way a 911 seems to have so much rear end grip when powering out of a bend that you can basically forget about the chance of it starting to slide as it will just dig in and grind its way out. OK 911 waffle ends.