718 GT4 UK Allocations

[Twinfan]

Manual + LWFW = alive too

I agree with buying what you enjoy, buying for an investment or resale isn't the way to go IMHO. Buy them and drive them!

Mine is almost 3yrs old, has modifications, has just passed its first MOT and is showing 12,600miles from road and track use.

Now the weather is hopefully warming up we should get out there driving these superb cars while we still can.

[ChrisW.]

If you look at sales of the 987 Spyder, in the USA the manual is worth around$10k more than the PDK ... though I have to say for that car the PDK works extremely well.

I chose PDK for my Cayman R ... I could make the case for both but love the tactility and involvement of my GT4 now with more gear changes per drive

[G40R_JL]

I say kudos to Porsche for giving us all a choice. I agree there isn’t a “best choice”, it completely depends on what you prefer. It is interesting that more people are choosing PDK vs manual now both are available. I think it is probably an error in the”how many left” table as someone else noted for Q2 2022. Mines a manual FWIW….and I think it’s great!

[2mpete]

Drive a manual Touring but have a spyder on order. Tested both the manual and pdk at the experience centre expecting to prefer the manual. PDK was much better suited in my opinion to the car, slightly shorter gearing just seemed quicker and more responsive. That said, the short and twisty nature of the PEC means you don’t really get out of 2nd in the manual, not ideal. Will order the pdk if they ever put buckets back on the list before run-out.

[GRD_72]

I also drove an manual at the PEC, hard not to enjoy the day but the gearing simply does not suit the tracks. All in 2nd and grab 3rd briefly or rag it 1st and then rag it in 2nd…..

To be honest, when booking a manual they should offer you the PDK for a few laps if available as the track simply doesn’t suit the manual. But on the road I love the manual.

Edited by GRD_72 on Sunday 26th February 22:43

[LamedonM]

Moreover, sales reps are talking down manuals at least some of the ones in my area. One described lightly used manual with 18 way seat but with every other sought after options as ‘a GT4 with the wrong gear’

[LiamH66]

Twinfan said:

I'm not sure it's just beards on PH buying manual GT cars, either the 4 or the 3, otherwise there's a hell of a lot of beards out there in the big wide world...

I'll try to grow one!

I know I'd be quicker with PDK, and that it is in every way superior, but that would miss the point. I'm not after lap times with my Porsches, I have other vehicles that I actually race against other people. Those are generally very constrained by rules in specification and race regs.

I just want a great driving experience on road or track from my Porsches. So while I know I keep adding to the pool of potentially less valuable used cars on the market, I'm not sure I care too much. I just cannot make myself buy a new Cayman with PDK.

Probably best if I do grow a beard. At least it will give others some sort of reason to hang my perverse logic on. I know they are better, but I just don't really want one.

Liam

[Twinfan]

I'm with you Liam - I don't want or need faster and couldn't buy a new car with PDK. In a world where all the old-skool interaction stuff is being taken away I'll hang on to the bits I can!

Edited by Twinfan on Monday 27th February 21:38

[kf1]

So confirmed with my OPC last build slot
No ceramics - no buckets and no clubsport.
So debating whether I even go for the car now !
Will essentially be a PDK with comfort seats

[ClubsportStr]

kf1 said:

So confirmed with my OPC last build slot
No ceramics - no buckets and no clubsport.
So debating whether I even go for the car now !
Will essentially be a PDK with comfort seats

What you’re debating if buying one of the last produced natural aspirated 4 litre GT4’s is a good idea or not !

[R33FAL]

Surely you are better off just buying a low-mileage used one without having to wait (+ with the spec you want)... They are selling at list or below nowadays

[LiamH66]

kf1 said:

So confirmed with my OPC last build slot
No ceramics - no buckets and no clubsport.
So debating whether I even go for the car now !
Will essentially be a PDK with comfort seats

I had the same internal debate a few weeks ago when offered a surrendered allocation for a new GT4.

Given that I already have a 981 GT4 with buckets and clubsport that I would have had to trade in, it was a no-brainer, especially as I'd have ordered a manual one. Fortunate in some ways to have the 718 GT4 removed from cars I thought I might ever own, as it does seem at least some of those choices might be gone forever.

Liam

[DC-1]

kf1 said:

So confirmed with my OPC last build slot
No ceramics - no buckets and no clubsport.
So debating whether I even go for the car now !
Will essentially be a PDK with comfort seats

I'd be looking for a good spec used example personally.

Those are 3 must-have options for me, which I would not forego.

Car will also be less attractive come resale time as the low spec ones tend to hang around much longer.

[fridaypassion]

Well price increases plus it looking more likely that I can't get the proper spec and/or they will can production I'm pretty disappointed really that it looks like there won't be a new Cayman in the Garage. I'm considering buying a lightly used one which with a price increase will probably be a handy 10k or more under list. Need to make a decision pretty soon I think prices may firm through this year depending what they do with the new car. I reckon the next one will be still a full petrol car so might discuss leaving my deposit in.

[Twinfan]

fridaypassion said:

I reckon the next one will be still a full petrol car so might discuss leaving my deposit in.

I think that's unlikely, personally. The current Cayman platform is over 10 years old now and is going full electric so the factories will be re-tooled accordingly. Plus we've seen the GT4 e-Performance concept knocking about which makes me think the Cayman will be the Porsche electric sports car pioneer leaving the 911 to continue as long as possible with petrol and probably hybrid.

In addition, the manual gearbox has gone as far as it can power wise so any future cars would have to be PDK only, and given the popularity of the manual in the US I think that's an unlikely sell to the marketing department.

Finally, we've also got the GT4RS and imminent Spyder RS with GT3 engines which I think are a clear sign of "end of line for petrol" to get sign off from marketing.

All IMHO of course, but I think maintaining a petrol Cayman or Boxster on the exisiting platform is a bit of a no-go as is getting funding for a replacement.

If you're not taking a car, I'd get the deposit back.

[bosshog]

R33FAL said:

Surely you are better off just buying a low-mileage used one without having to wait (+ with the spec you want)... They are selling at list or below nowadays

This!

[fridaypassion]

Twinfan said:

I think that's unlikely, personally. The current Cayman platform is over 10 years old now and is going full electric so the factories will be re-tooled accordingly. Plus we've seen the GT4 e-Performance concept knocking about which makes me think the Cayman will be the Porsche electric sports car pioneer leaving the 911 to continue as long as possible with petrol and probably hybrid.

In addition, the manual gearbox has gone as far as it can power wise so any future cars would have to be PDK only, and given the popularity of the manual in the US I think that's an unlikely sell to the marketing department.

Finally, we've also got the GT4RS and imminent Spyder RS with GT3 engines which I think are a clear sign of "end of line for petrol" to get sign off from marketing.

All IMHO of course, but I think maintaining a petrol Cayman or Boxster on the exisiting platform is a bit of a no-go as is getting funding for a replacement.

If you're not taking a car, I'd get the deposit back.

Hmm I'm not so sure we have a way to go before the Petrol is legislated out. 7 years or 6 from launch is enough for more than one iteration . I think they will make a big song and dance and have some eyewarteringly expensive last hurrah cars out.

[TDT]

bosshog said:

R33FAL said:

Surely you are better off just buying a low-mileage used one without having to wait (+ with the spec you want)... They are selling at list or below nowadays

This!

Yep - thats what I did!

[Twinfan]

fridaypassion said:

Hmm I'm not so sure we have a way to go before the Petrol is legislated out. 7 years or 6 from launch is enough for more than one iteration . I think they will make a big song and dance and have some eyewarteringly expensive last hurrah cars out.

Just because the legislation says you can sell petrol cars, it doesn't mean Porsche will continue to make a petrol Cayman Like I said, just my opinion though based on what we know from Porsche so far and their previous behaviour with sneaky releases, factory setups etc.

It'd be great if they did, I'd be first in line for another manual GT4...

[av185]

Twinfan said:

I think that's unlikely, personally. The current Cayman platform is over 10 years old now and is going full electric so the factories will be re-tooled accordingly. Plus we've seen the GT4 e-Performance concept knocking about which makes me think the Cayman will be the Porsche electric sports car pioneer leaving the 911 to continue as long as possible with petrol and probably hybrid.

In addition, the manual gearbox has gone as far as it can power wise so any future cars would have to be PDK only, and given the popularity of the manual in the US I think that's an unlikely sell to the marketing department.

Finally, we've also got the GT4RS and imminent Spyder RS with GT3 engines which I think are a clear sign of "end of line for petrol" to get sign off from marketing.

All IMHO of course, but I think maintaining a petrol Cayman or Boxster on the exisiting platform is a bit of a no-go as is getting funding for a replacement.

Yep T and Oliver Blume confirmed 12 months ago the next Cayster due in 2025 will definitely be electric and there have been quite a few spyshots since.

Be interesting to see how prices firm up again as they always do now approaching Spring and warmer weather especially given the number of used decent spec GT4s available is falling and with the backdrop of 'essential' option shortages on the last few cars with a final price rise likely too.