New GTS or GT4
Discussion
Twinfan said:
Wollemi said:
No, I’m not ignoring the suspension differences. But it would be interesting to discover how much of the difference is due to those suspension changes and how much due to the tyres. That’s all.
It would be interesting to get a direct comparison for sure. I'm of the opinion it's more chassis than tyres, including the wider wheels the GT4 gets, that gives it its distinctive very high grip levels. I'm not sure the GTS would get as close, but who knows!It’s the hugh grip which ruins the GT4 for road use and why people do like the 981 Spyder.
GTS is a win win, lighter , smaller tyres than the 718, but better engine and steering than the 981 Spyder. It will just drive nicer in theory on the road for these reason inc better unsprung weight also., you are buying the GT4 for looks or track hack.
On track it will be so close it will be down to driver on like for like tyres. As on the straights the GTS is a faster car due to 40kg less weight and less drag. In fact a novice might be faster in a GTS due to that, as only the very best drivers will get to the GT4 Apex speed limits. Def the better road car by a long shot, imo it’s killed off the 981 models but then like for like specing a 718 GTS costs more than my old 981 GT4 !!! My very high spec now is £79k in green.
For a very nice road car which can do track work I cannot think of a better car, I am shocked Porsche made it.
The limited torques and gearings killing the GT4 sadly to make it the perfect performance machine so very hard to spend £10k more on one than the GTS unless it is a track hack.
Porsche911R said:
30mm extra rear tyres is not going to make any odd unless like I said driving it very hard on track.
It’s the hugh grip which ruins the GT4 for road use and why people do like the 981 Spyder.
GTS is a win win, lighter , smaller tyres than the 718, but better engine and steering than the 981 Spyder. It will just drive nicer in theory on the road for these reason inc better unsprung weight also., you are buying the GT4 for looks or track hack.
On track it will be so close it will be down to driver on like for like tyres. As on the straights the GTS is a faster car due to 40kg less weight and less drag. In fact a novice might be faster in a GTS due to that, as only the very best drivers will get to the GT4 Apex speed limits. Def the better road car by a long shot, imo it’s killed off the 981 models but then like for like specing a 718 GTS costs more than my old 981 GT4 !!! My very high spec now is £79k in green.
For a very nice road car which can do track work I cannot think of a better car, I am shocked Porsche made it.
The limited torques and gearings killing the GT4 sadly to make it the perfect performance machine so very hard to spend £10k more on one than the GTS unless it is a track hack.
What a load of cobblers.It’s the hugh grip which ruins the GT4 for road use and why people do like the 981 Spyder.
GTS is a win win, lighter , smaller tyres than the 718, but better engine and steering than the 981 Spyder. It will just drive nicer in theory on the road for these reason inc better unsprung weight also., you are buying the GT4 for looks or track hack.
On track it will be so close it will be down to driver on like for like tyres. As on the straights the GTS is a faster car due to 40kg less weight and less drag. In fact a novice might be faster in a GTS due to that, as only the very best drivers will get to the GT4 Apex speed limits. Def the better road car by a long shot, imo it’s killed off the 981 models but then like for like specing a 718 GTS costs more than my old 981 GT4 !!! My very high spec now is £79k in green.
For a very nice road car which can do track work I cannot think of a better car, I am shocked Porsche made it.
The limited torques and gearings killing the GT4 sadly to make it the perfect performance machine so very hard to spend £10k more on one than the GTS unless it is a track hack.
MannyLon said:
What a load of cobblers.
why ? Because you ordered one lol.If you poo poo my post you have to back up why.
GTS has already proven its faster in a straight line, and lighter.
And 99.9% GT4 owners won’t find the GT4 ultimate apex speeds on track.
This reviews only on the p zero and oem road geo the GTS comes with which has less camber than a GT4 out the box.
Put both on ps4s and the same geo the GTS will be not only more suited to road, it will outdrag the GT4 On the dual carriage ways !
You are paying for total track use or image for the £11k extra not any performance gains.
Ever though he talks crap about the suspension and rose joints etc, he can drive a car.
https://youtu.be/Uv0W7l6QSHY
Edited by Porsche911R on Sunday 18th October 09:51
MannyLon said:
What a load of cobblers.
Correct. For a start the weight difference is only 15kg (not 40kg) between the GTS and the GT4, and that's down the larger brakes and wing/splitter of the GT4. The Spyder is 60kg lighter than the Boxster GTS.But it's pointless arguing with our resident expert, obviously, as he's never wrong.
Porsche911R said:
why ? Because you ordered one lol.
If you poo poo my post you have to back up why.
GTS has already proven its faster in a straight line, and lighter.
And 99.9% GT4 owners won’t find the GT4 ultimate apex speeds on track.
This reviews only on the p zero and oem road geo the GTS comes with which has less camber than a GT4 out the box.
https://youtu.be/Uv0W7l6QSHY
Naa, won’t get down to your level If you poo poo my post you have to back up why.
GTS has already proven its faster in a straight line, and lighter.
And 99.9% GT4 owners won’t find the GT4 ultimate apex speeds on track.
This reviews only on the p zero and oem road geo the GTS comes with which has less camber than a GT4 out the box.
https://youtu.be/Uv0W7l6QSHY
You obviously know more about cars than anyone else including Porsche motorsport.
Twinfan said:
Correct. For a start the weight difference is only 15kg (not 40kg) between the GTS and the GT4, and that's down the larger brakes and wing/splitter of the GT4.
The wheels and tyres also weigh a lot more which is like adding 4 x the weight as it’s rotating and Unsprung mass and why the GTS now outdrags a GT4 to 200kph.Fast Laps must have got the weights wrong, Porsche do state 15kg. Fast laps say 40kg. Both will be very spec sensitive regarding true weight. But lighter is lighter which is always a win esp unsprung weight on our bumpy Uk B roads.
Look I love the new GT4 , but Porsche have knocked it out the park with a 4.0l GTS. For £11k you really have to want a wing. You have already taken the grip from your car swapping tyres to ones which work for the next 6 months, to GTS spec tyres.
No Wrong choice, but don’t hyper bole the GT4 over a GTS because you own one now, it's daft.
Unless tracking you are paying £11k more for looks and a slower car nothing wrong in that, it’s great we have choices.
As I say I am shocked Porsche made a 4.0l GTS.
Yes I want a Spyder due to looks and rarity, still holding out for a slot , but if I order a coupe it will be a GTS over a GT4.
Porsche best current car is the 718 Spyder hence people are paying overs to get them, great value car and the best looking.
https://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/h93jlzs5znlj
Hyperbole is one word my dude. My brain keeps reading it as “Hyper bowl” in your posts and it unsettles me.
I too am surprised they put the the 4L engine into the GTS but, gotta recoup the cost of engine development, I’m also sad that particulate filters are a thing now too. Can argue the toss about who’s faster than better or what but I simply wanted a GT4 more than a GTS. I’d expect it to hold up to track abuse better too.
I too am surprised they put the the 4L engine into the GTS but, gotta recoup the cost of engine development, I’m also sad that particulate filters are a thing now too. Can argue the toss about who’s faster than better or what but I simply wanted a GT4 more than a GTS. I’d expect it to hold up to track abuse better too.
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Twinfan said:
Correct. For a start the weight difference is only 15kg (not 40kg) between the GTS and the GT4, and that's down the larger brakes and wing/splitter of the GT4. The Spyder is 60kg lighter than the Boxster GTS.
But it's pointless arguing with our resident expert, obviously, as he's never wrong.
Where do yo get the Spyder being 60KG lighter than the Boxster GTS.? Both 718 Spyder and GT4 are identical 1420Kg and both Boxster GTS and Cayman GTS are identical 1405Kg.But it's pointless arguing with our resident expert, obviously, as he's never wrong.
Edited by Taffy66 on Sunday 18th October 11:09
Taffy66 said:
Twinfan said:
Correct. For a start the weight difference is only 15kg (not 40kg) between the GTS and the GT4, and that's down the larger brakes and wing/splitter of the GT4. The Spyder is 60kg lighter than the Boxster GTS.
But it's pointless arguing with our resident expert, obviously, as he's never wrong.
Where do yo get the Spyder being 60KG lighter than the Boxster GTS.? Both 718 Spyder and GT4 are identical 1420Kg and both Boxster GTS and Cayman GTS are identical 1405Kg.But it's pointless arguing with our resident expert, obviously, as he's never wrong.
You're correct - 15kg difference between models, the Spyder and GT4 are both heavier due to larger brakes, wheels and tyres.
The 718 GT4 and GTS 4.0 are very similar cars.
But the GT4 is the better car, even if it’s use is only on a fast road. Now some may see the followings as downsides GT4:-
1. Price, £10k more than GTS 4.0 (not sure if it is that much difference when you compare like for like spec)
2. Practically, Less clearance on front splitter and this could be an issue for some people. The GTS will be more forgiving here for steep ramps etc.
3. Looks, Some people may also prefer the subtle, less motorsport look of a GT car. Again that is fine.
Either car is amazing and worthy. For me personally the increase in price for a gt4 is a premium worth paying over the gts 4.0. Having said that, if I couldn’t get a gt4, a gts 4.0 would be a strong 2nd choice.
Please no one mentioning gearing, I don’t think I can cope with that......
But the GT4 is the better car, even if it’s use is only on a fast road. Now some may see the followings as downsides GT4:-
1. Price, £10k more than GTS 4.0 (not sure if it is that much difference when you compare like for like spec)
2. Practically, Less clearance on front splitter and this could be an issue for some people. The GTS will be more forgiving here for steep ramps etc.
3. Looks, Some people may also prefer the subtle, less motorsport look of a GT car. Again that is fine.
Either car is amazing and worthy. For me personally the increase in price for a gt4 is a premium worth paying over the gts 4.0. Having said that, if I couldn’t get a gt4, a gts 4.0 would be a strong 2nd choice.
Please no one mentioning gearing, I don’t think I can cope with that......
diffstar said:
The 718 GT4 and GTS 4.0 are very similar cars.
But the GT4 is the better car, even if it’s use is only on a fast road.
Maybe in your opinion.But the GT4 is the better car, even if it’s use is only on a fast road.
Not in mine
To those of you who are giving Porsche911R a hard time because you hold a different opinion - please think about how it appears to others who read these threads - especially if you have never driven the GTS 4.0, or even the current or previous GT4 for any length of time.
Yes, I know I'm defending a random bloke on the internet but he does have plenty of decent advice to offer. Even if you don't agree with him. he clearly has a passion for proper cars and proper driving and I would lay odds that he can actually drive pretty darn well too.
Stunters said:
Maybe in your opinion.
Not in mine
To those of you who are giving Porsche911R a hard time because you hold a different opinion - please think about how it appears to others who read these threads - especially if you have never driven the GTS 4.0, or even the current or previous GT4 for any length of time.
Yes, I know I'm defending a random bloke on the internet but he does have plenty of decent advice to offer. Even if you don't agree with him. he clearly has a passion for proper cars and proper driving and I would lay odds that he can actually drive pretty darn well too.
Hmm. Beg to differ here. He puts people down for buying cars they like. Likes to rev to 8k revs everywhere and contradicts himself continuouslyNot in mine
To those of you who are giving Porsche911R a hard time because you hold a different opinion - please think about how it appears to others who read these threads - especially if you have never driven the GTS 4.0, or even the current or previous GT4 for any length of time.
Yes, I know I'm defending a random bloke on the internet but he does have plenty of decent advice to offer. Even if you don't agree with him. he clearly has a passion for proper cars and proper driving and I would lay odds that he can actually drive pretty darn well too.
MannyLon said:
Hmm. Beg to differ here. He puts people down for buying cars they like. Likes to rev to 8k revs everywhere and contradicts himself continuously
I also agree with 911R, I’ve driven 981 GT4s and 991 GT3s on the track and would pick an GT3 over a GT4 on the track everytime. My current fun road car is a 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 and I have 718 Spyder on order (summer tyres), it is the only car I would replace the GTS 4.0 with and If didn’t have a hankering for a VW California I would probably keep both. The large wing on the GT4 just doesn’t appeal to me, the GTS 4.0 is the best non GT car that Porsche have produced in a long long time and anyone discounting it in favour of a 718 GT4 should at very least try it before discounting, as £11k buys lot of premium unleaded, epic road trips, track days and even a JCR or other exhaust. It won’t however compensate for a small winkie though.
Edited by Goldjono on Sunday 18th October 20:22
Rojibo said:
So, we’re just going to pretend that you can buy GT3’s new, and for the same price as a GT4, are we now?
That 30-40k buys a lot of super unleaded, road trips and track time
No one is buying new GT3’s at the moment, it’s not been released yet. A £90-100k 991.1 gt3 would be my track weapon of choice, a further 5 years of engine warranty and will hold their current value well.That 30-40k buys a lot of super unleaded, road trips and track time
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