Harris drives the GT4 ePerformance
Discussion
BertBert said:
It didn't can't be explained by lack of sound deadening surely? It must be a different drivetrain in some way. It's the same nose as formula E.
I don't think so either. I think it must be a combination of transmission whine and maybe some resonance in the chassis that the mic was picking up. Coupled with them having to up the volume on the vid to pick up Harris's voice through helmet and balaclava.I for one will not be in the line for an electric Cayman or Boxster as the soul of the car is ripped out. If I ever buy an electric car it will be a utility car and in which case something like a Tesla model 3 will do fine at a much better price point, though the case for climate impact would have to be much clearer first. Watched an interview with Polestar CEO and the conclusion that the additional CO2 emitted in construction of an EV over an ICE engine takes on average 5 - 7 years of average driving to pay back the carbon deficit of manufacture. At this point you maybe have another 5 years and then battery pack needs replacing putting the case for emission savings firmly in the bin. I genuinely wanted to believe in the case for EV's but am very much unconvinced both in driving experience and the tenuous case for climate impact.
The crazy push to EV is going to turn out to be a far far bigger scandal than dieselgate ever was.
The ridiculous push for zero carbon and 100% renewable targets by governments essentially just resulted in them shifting their carbon load to the other side of the planet in order to just meet the numbers without actually solving issues or thinking of real sustainability and then creating gapping flaws in the energy security strategy.
All of a sudden… wind backs in policy…
The ridiculous push for zero carbon and 100% renewable targets by governments essentially just resulted in them shifting their carbon load to the other side of the planet in order to just meet the numbers without actually solving issues or thinking of real sustainability and then creating gapping flaws in the energy security strategy.
All of a sudden… wind backs in policy…
Edited by TDT on Sunday 22 May 10:11
Haribo Lecter said:
Mutton said:
If there was ever a need for a sound to drive you insane within 30 seconds, that is it.
Agreed. I very nearly turned it off within the first 30seconds because of the noise. If that’s the future I’d motorsport then count me out. F that.
king Christ that screeching sound is annoying.T2TC said:
I for one will not be in the line for an electric Cayman or Boxster as the soul of the car is ripped out. If I ever buy an electric car it will be a utility car and in which case something like a Tesla model 3 will do fine at a much better price point, though the case for climate impact would have to be much clearer first. Watched an interview with Polestar CEO and the conclusion that the additional CO2 emitted in construction of an EV over an ICE engine takes on average 5 - 7 years of average driving to pay back the carbon deficit of manufacture. At this point you maybe have another 5 years and then battery pack needs replacing putting the case for emission savings firmly in the bin. I genuinely wanted to believe in the case for EV's but am very much unconvinced both in driving experience and the tenuous case for climate impact.
Whilst the likes of China, USA and Russia keep going at it like they are what is the point of the UK trying to save the planet, we produce nothing compared to them. Whilst I accept every little helps, in reality the hoops we are all being forced to jump through, at great expense to ourselves I might add, are effectively a complete waste of time.We have had clean cars for years now, pushing for this last bit is just pointless until the rest catch up.
981Boxess said:
Zumbruk said:
Vile noise. I had to switch it off.
+1They will have to do something about that if they are serious about selling them.
I am off to Italy in my car in a few weeks, I could not listen to that whine for a day, it would take the whole enjoyment out of the drive.
Jakg said:
You wouldn't be driving a racing car with straight cut gears to Italy without going absolutely mental, either - not exactly a fair compromise.
Correct - so neither vehicle would suit my needs or give me any enjoyment, which is the whole point of driving.If you want to track/race have a race car and do it properly, if you want to drive on the roads in some comfort have a road car.
I'm gonna drive my old Boxster until they stop making Super unleaded rather than do a drive down to Italy with a white goods motor in the back!TDT said:
The crazy push to EV is going to turn out to be a far far bigger scandal than dieselgate ever was.
The ridiculous push for zero carbon and 100% renewable targets by governments essentially just resulted in them shifting their carbon load to the other side of the planet in order to just meet the numbers without actually solving issues or thinking of real sustainability and then creating gapping flaws in the energy security strategy.
All of a sudden… wind backs in policy…
100%The ridiculous push for zero carbon and 100% renewable targets by governments essentially just resulted in them shifting their carbon load to the other side of the planet in order to just meet the numbers without actually solving issues or thinking of real sustainability and then creating gapping flaws in the energy security strategy.
All of a sudden… wind backs in policy…
Edited by TDT on Sunday 22 May 10:11
Central London air quality that still has fleets of Mayor Khans diesel buses running around:
https://www.londonair.org.uk/londonair/nowcast.asp...
Not sure how I feel about fast electric cars. The instant power delivery and the fact every wheel can be individually controlled makes me wonder how much is talent in the car versus talent programming the car
Also saw the first driverless hill climb. Again, computer should be (eventually) capable of going faster
Then you see one of the old race cars being thrown around, unstable as hell, no aero, no driving aids… and think that’s far more entertaining to watch
Electric has its place. Just assuming it is better for the environment, I’d happily have electric cars for getting from A to B
But when it comes to “driving” as a sport or skill, I don’t see how it’ll be quite the same. Of course, it’s possible to remove all of the aids, but then it feels a bit like we are trying too hard
Also saw the first driverless hill climb. Again, computer should be (eventually) capable of going faster
Then you see one of the old race cars being thrown around, unstable as hell, no aero, no driving aids… and think that’s far more entertaining to watch
Electric has its place. Just assuming it is better for the environment, I’d happily have electric cars for getting from A to B
But when it comes to “driving” as a sport or skill, I don’t see how it’ll be quite the same. Of course, it’s possible to remove all of the aids, but then it feels a bit like we are trying too hard
GTSjohn said:
Cheib said:
I wonder how long before we start seeing EV track cars ? Can’t be that long.
If you haven't already, watch then Youtube video of the top 10 cars up the Hill at Goodwood - there's your answer!Long race distances will be another matter.
As a GT4 owner, I will be keeping my current Porsche. I don't want one of those, and I'm certainly not going to pay money for it. Robot cars going up a hillclimb course in 45 seconds is all very well - lets see them do the Nurburgring 24 hours. I doubt if they would finish two laps.
The noise of that thing was horrendous. Furthermore, I watched it as long as I could stand it, but the one thing I noticed, was that Chris Harris wasn't doing his usual wild opposite lock stuff. Maybe he didn't have sufficient confidence in the vehicle.
It is time that the sensible people in the centre ground, allied with some of the large automotive companies, stood up and told the politicians to sling their ridiculous and meaningless political initiative. This is not technological progress and its not going to work. It is not the future, whatever these bumptious windbags say.
The noise of that thing was horrendous. Furthermore, I watched it as long as I could stand it, but the one thing I noticed, was that Chris Harris wasn't doing his usual wild opposite lock stuff. Maybe he didn't have sufficient confidence in the vehicle.
It is time that the sensible people in the centre ground, allied with some of the large automotive companies, stood up and told the politicians to sling their ridiculous and meaningless political initiative. This is not technological progress and its not going to work. It is not the future, whatever these bumptious windbags say.
cardigankid said:
As a GT4 owner, I will be keeping my current Porsche. I don't want one of those, and I'm certainly not going to pay money for it. Robot cars going up a hillclimb course in 45 seconds is all very well - lets see them do the Nurburgring 24 hours. I doubt if they would finish two laps.
The noise of that thing was horrendous. Furthermore, I watched it as long as I could stand it, but the one thing I noticed, was that Chris Harris wasn't doing his usual wild opposite lock stuff. Maybe he didn't have sufficient confidence in the vehicle.
It is time that the sensible people in the centre ground, allied with some of the large automotive companies, stood up and told the politicians to sling their ridiculous and meaningless political initiative. This is not technological progress and its not going to work. It is not the future, whatever these bumptious windbags say.
+1The noise of that thing was horrendous. Furthermore, I watched it as long as I could stand it, but the one thing I noticed, was that Chris Harris wasn't doing his usual wild opposite lock stuff. Maybe he didn't have sufficient confidence in the vehicle.
It is time that the sensible people in the centre ground, allied with some of the large automotive companies, stood up and told the politicians to sling their ridiculous and meaningless political initiative. This is not technological progress and its not going to work. It is not the future, whatever these bumptious windbags say.
stocked up on GT3s to carry me through to the point when I'm too old to drive
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